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Volmarias posted:I just realized; with the way that ComStar tries to assassinate any IS scientist who's actually creating a threat to the status quo, did this Society guy engineer the HPG attack in the planet so that he could do his work without ROM being able to easily interfere? The Holy Shroud ops are a little impossible, what with all these memory cores cluttering up the sphere. Though I admit to thinking, "man, Blake's Wrath nuked the wrong facility."
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Volmarias posted:I just realized; with the way that ComStar tries to assassinate any IS scientist who's actually creating a threat to the status quo, did this Society guy engineer the HPG attack in the planet so that he could do his work without ROM being able to easily interfere? Well, the clans have and make HPG's themselves, don't they? More terrifyingly for C* is the possibility that they actually have -competition- now. The kind that both has the lead on tech they were keeping suppressed, and that just forced them to pull out of their space so they could assemble their own network. Remember, their new mechs are in production and they've turned out at least ten models in total secrecy. This also means the cappies have a lostech-equivalent factory somewhere comstar doesn't know about. And with an intentionally forced interdiction, any of their operatives in the area are now severely out of touch. Eagerly awaiting the cappies to come out of the dark with their own transmission network and tell comstar to get hosed.
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TheParadigm posted:Remember, their new mechs are in production and they've turned out at least ten models in total secrecy.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:31
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About 1. We're pushing 3035 now.
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TheParadigm posted:Well, the clans have and make HPG's themselves, don't they? You mean the clans are verizon? Half the cost for twice the minutes and extended coverage?
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TildeATH posted:You mean the clans are verizon? Half the cost for twice the minutes and extended coverage? The clans have actual space cell phones in the form of WarShip mounted HPGs.
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Nov 20, 2015 19:12
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Much like ComStar, the Clan's HPG network was built a couple centuries ago and they've been sitting complacently on it. Even the HPG WarShips are old Star League units.
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I don't remember the title of the only battletech novel I read, but it did involve Comanchos Cabelleros. They were on Luthien or something while the DCMS was showing off some new mechs based on clan tech, like the Avatar. There was some plot to kill a big name Kurita I think? I remember it not being terrible all those years ago, though I don't know how I'd feel about re-reading it today. Anyone know the title?
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That's Black Dragon. It was good. Though, man, you don't want to be a Caballeros tech.
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It still amuses me that Chandrasekhar Kurita did more to prompt the Wars of Reaving than anything the Clans ever did.
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Octavion posted:The hate for Far Country makes me cry a solitary Tetatae tear. Especially since at least 3 bird legged mechs and 2 bird named mechs are in this scenario. It's a badly written book. 
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How did it happen, does anyone know? Presumably even BT had an editorial team, even if it was Steve, office continuity guy.
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Loxbourne posted:How did it happen, does anyone know? Presumably even BT had an editorial team, even if it was Steve, office continuity guy. Supposedly the plan in addition to the main series was to write a bunch of spin-offs centred around the Explorer Corps who would be going out and encountering all sorts of strange new life and new civilisations and boldly going where no Phoenix Hawk had been before. But Far Country flopped so badly they ended up completely dropping the idea.
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Loxbourne posted:How did it happen, does anyone know? Presumably even BT had an editorial team, even if it was Steve, office continuity guy. Editing is lostech.
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Ferrosol posted:Supposedly the plan in addition to the main series was to write a bunch of spin-offs centred around the Explorer Corps who would be going out and encountering all sorts of strange new life and new civilisations and boldly going where no Phoenix Hawk had been before. But Far Country flopped so badly they ended up completely dropping the idea. That sounds about right. Wouldn't be the first time they frantically pumped the brakes after something was poorly received,
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Defiance Industries posted:Much like ComStar, the Clan's HPG network was built a couple centuries ago and they've been sitting complacently on it. Even the HPG WarShips are old Star League units. It's not like the Clans actually have economies worthy of note, much less ones capable of making GBS threads out WarShips on anything resembling a regular basis. Does the totality of the Clans even match CapCon's output?
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I doubt it, since the whole Kerensky Cluster is like 30 worlds and even the CC totals a couple hundred. The CC may not be doing well but they'd have to be devoting research teams to discovering new ways to undermine and devalue their GDP to do a worse job than the Clans.
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While the CapCon might be small in terms of light-years, their space is extremely dense with inhabited and developed worlds. Hell I think they have as many as any of the other successor states despite being half the size.
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I think that was only true prior to the First Succession War. By 3025, the CC is down to about 200 worlds, whereas the others tend to range between 350-500 e: Those historical maps are really worth looking at. Did you know the Lyran-Kurita border used to be at Rasalhague? The snakes have done very well for themselves on both sides. Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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Defiance Industries posted:I think that was only true prior to the First Succession War. By 3025, the CC is down to about 200 worlds, whereas the others tend to range between 350-500 Whoops. I was honestly just spitballing based on seeing all the names on the star map. But I figure they've probably closed most of the gap by 3150. edit: It feels like the CapCon are poorest off right when the game was started and have been regaining ground since then. Runa fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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dis astranagant posted:It's not like the Clans actually have economies worthy of note, much less ones capable of making GBS threads out WarShips on anything resembling a regular basis. And yet they accounted for eight Nightlords, two Conquerors, three Leviathans (Leviathan itself, Great Bear, and Perigrad Zalman), some number of Peregrines, and probably some others we aren't aware of, so that kinda goes to show that much like 80's America, the Space 80's will deficit spend to support an over-sized navy.
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The Clans do have an advantage in the form of orbital factories. They didn't leverage them very well, but I imagine Clanspec endo-steel would be much easier to make in space.
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GenericServices posted:And yet they accounted for eight Nightlords, two Conquerors, three Leviathans (Leviathan itself, Great Bear, and Perigrad Zalman), some number of Peregrines, and probably some others we aren't aware of, so that kinda goes to show that much like 80's America, the Space 80's will deficit spend to support an over-sized navy. In over 200 years. The Leviathans hardly even count, since they were built in the Ghost Bear occupation zone in the 3060s. Most of the ones they did build were only because a few Clans decided they needed to own the biggest Space Penis. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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Volmarias posted:Are the Capellan Power Rangers loyal to him over the CapCon now? Update said  was given complete authority to requisition personnel and equipment as he saw fit. So at the moment there is no conflict of loyalty.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Whoops. I was honestly just spitballing based on seeing all the names on the star map. But I figure they've probably closed most of the gap by 3150. Well, they literally COULD NOT lose any more ground after the 4SW and be in any way meaningful going forward. They were down to just one Mech factory (on Sian) and one Vehicle factory (on Grand Base, later grew up to become a Mech factory). The Great Houses are the main characters of the story and so when one of them needs to win to stay relevant then you bet your rear end they will.
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dis astranagant posted:In over 200 years. The Leviathans hardly even count, since they were built in the Ghost Bear occupation zone in the 3060s. Most of the ones they did build were only because a few Clans decided they needed to own the biggest Space Penis. You are incorrect. The Leviathans were under construction when Outbound Light arrived in the Clan Homeworlds. Construction was deliberately paused due to the ensuing chaos. The partially completed hulls were finished as transports in the mid-3050s and utilized to help transport Ghost Bear civilian populace and industrial assets to the Inner Sphere, where they were then rebuilt into their battleship configuration. Perigrad Zalman is the only known Leviathan hull to be completed in the Homeworlds, and that one is... special.
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Defiance Industries posted:Well, they literally COULD NOT lose any more ground after the 4SW and be in any way meaningful going forward. They were down to just one Mech factory (on Sian) and one Vehicle factory (on Grand Base, later grew up to become a Mech factory). The Great Houses are the main characters of the story and so when one of them needs to win to stay relevant then you bet your rear end they will. Fair enough. Getting a historian's perspective summing up the 31st century ought to be interesting.
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The clan scientist does make it rather likely that the CapCon has the ability to use, if not make, the HPG network without the aid of comstar. So they probably were just fine with taking out the admin building until comstar "modestly" made a several mile wide crater out of the city around it.
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PoptartsNinja posted:The Clans do have an advantage in the form of orbital factories. They didn't leverage them very well, but I imagine Clanspec endo-steel would be much easier to make in space. This is canon actually, you NEED space based production for good endosteel... I forget which book (one of the rpg ones?) but yeah, taking out gravity helps with making sure crap forms right apparently.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Fair enough. AtomikKrab posted:This is canon actually, you NEED space based production for good endosteel... I forget which book (one of the rpg ones?) but yeah, taking out gravity helps with making sure crap forms right apparently.
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Defiance Industries posted:Well, they literally COULD NOT lose any more ground after the 4SW and be in any way meaningful going forward. They were down to just one Mech factory (on Sian) and one Vehicle factory (on Grand Base, later grew up to become a Mech factory). The Great Houses are the main characters of the story and so when one of them needs to win to stay relevant then you bet your rear end they will. Something I like about PTN's take on the setting is he seems a lot more free to make drastic changes to the status quo. The Combine collapsing into the Suns is a lot more drastic than the Federated Commonwealth, and the Clans have been engaged in all kinds of crazy schemes that've made them seem like a lot more of a savvy and diverse group. That, and all these Sphere-changing events have apparently happened in under a year.
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I think they're mostly back in the homeworlds or something? Some of them went with the Snow Ravens and Sea Foxes to kill Amaris.
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Defiance Industries posted:Much like ComStar, the Clan's HPG network was built a couple centuries ago and they've been sitting complacently on it. Even the HPG WarShips are old Star League units. Guess the Clans aren't much for developing new technologies unless said technology lets them fight better.
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Rorahusky posted:Guess the Clans aren't much for developing new technologies unless said technology lets them fight better. They brought essentially the entire SLDF fleet with them and never really needed more after that whole nearly wiping themselves out on the Pentagon Worlds thing followed by the average life expectancy of a warrior being 40 something. Then suddenly the Snow Ravens and Ghost Bears wanted giant, extra expensive dickships to show off with.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Fair enough. Hmm... I'm a historian in real life, and I ALSO know a shitload about the 31st century...
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GhostStalker posted:Just don't let Caesar get headcapped/die. Defiance Industries would never forgive you. I'll do my best, but sometimes Battletech! happens. Also, I have a few questions for PTN regarding the mace. Does it have the usual hit / miss penalties for maces as laid out in TacOps, and does it follow TacOps' damage scaling?
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Scintilla posted:I'll do my best, but sometimes Battletech! happens. I think the more important question is which 'Mech you're actually piloting since your name is on both the Wolverine II and the King Cobra 
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Gwaihir posted:I think the more important question is which 'Mech you're actually piloting since your name is on both the Wolverine II and the King Cobra I did ask about that, but it looks like it was overlooked. I assume I'm in the King Cobra since TheParadigm is in the Timber Wolf and my name is above his on the Mechwarrior list, but the mace issue is important no matter who is piloting it.
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