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The Tesla factory that they bought from Toyota in Fremont is the only automotive manufacturing facility in the Bay Area. Ford and GM have offices in the area though, presumably doing software or innovation or something.
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Subjunctive posted:Ford and GM have offices in the area though, presumably doing software or innovation or something. Definitely not software innovation, though. The only thing I can think of that's worse than OEM automotive software is loving printer drivers. It's just comically bad.
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Nov 21, 2015 01:46
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Presumably there is a ton of software being written into the cars themselves that the end users aren't interacting with though, right?
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Nov 21, 2015 01:52
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Linedance posted:I guess GE is hurting for programmers, and/or Kids These Days are too busy working on stupid mobile apps in the hopes of get-rich-quick instead of getting a Real Job with a proper company? I dunno, I mean it was an ad for employment at GE, but the message was really weird. The latter, causing the former. But what do you expect? You're just out of college, and have two job offers. One is in a loft in San Francisco, everyone in the office is young and crazy, and the office plays ultimate frisbee and you get a monthly massage stipend and a company Segway. The other one is in an office park in Connecticut, everyone is your dad's age, you have to dress up for work, and when they talk about benefits it's all boring stuff like 401ks and how the company has been around for like, a century. You can't even imagine staying in one place for five years. Both pay about the same, or the San Francisco one maybe even pays more. It's a no-brainer There are a lot of problems with the insane brogrammer/manchild culture out here, but old guard's problems finding talent are their own fault.
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Sagebrush posted:The latter, causing the former. But what do you expect? You're just out of college, and have two job offers. One is in a loft in San Francisco, everyone in the office is young and crazy, and the office plays ultimate frisbee and you get a monthly massage stipend and a company Segway. The other one is in an office park in Connecticut, everyone is your dad's age, you have to dress up for work, and when they talk about benefits it's all boring stuff like 401ks and how the company has been around for like, a century. You can't even imagine staying in one place for five years. Both pay about the same, or the San Francisco one maybe even pays more. It's a no-brainer it's going to be hilarious when it pops and the "boring old people" companies stay afloat.
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Nov 21, 2015 08:10
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Ranter posted:Presumably there is a ton of software being written into the cars themselves that the end users aren't interacting with though, right? Yes, and it turns out that software is also poo poo.
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Nov 21, 2015 15:26
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Linedance posted:Kind of off topic, but I saw a few ads during football last week about some kid all proud that he landed a programming job with GE and will be doing all kinds of cool poo poo, and none of his friends get it and his one friend is all "whatevs, I got a job for the people that make that app that puts fruit on pets heads". I think they are just trying to remind people that GE has moved into the 21st century.
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ToxicFrog posted:Yes, and it turns out that software is also poo poo. The deposition in there is a great read.
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Ranter posted:How many car manufacturers do you think are actually building cars in the bay area? I said 'compared to rest of the bay area' on this same page. Tesla is a bay area company, something most people should know when considering their impact to the Detroit/American car manufacturer industry in general. Maybe you can send me a short bio or just calm the gently caress down.
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Godholio posted:calm the gently caress down.
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Nov 21, 2015 21:08
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Ranter posted:Shame Tesla pay is lovely compared to the rest of the bay area. They want all the skills but won't pay the going rate because "we're Tesla". I personally experienced this working with a recruiter for a position there. I've been wondering if there might be any worthwhile opportunities in their battery factory in Nevada (my background is in mechanical engineering, and I've been looking to get into robotics). Ranter posted:Presumably there is a ton of software being written into the cars themselves that the end users aren't interacting with though, right? For what it's worth, the push for autonomous cars should create quite a few programming jobs in AI and computer vision. Oh, and it looks like Tesla will be unveiling the Model 3 next March: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2015/11/20/consumers-see-tesla-model-march/76129270/
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Cockmaster posted:Oh, and it looks like Tesla will be unveiling the Model 3 next March: And if you believe the real price will come in under $90,000, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Mulva posted:And if you believe the real price will come in under $90,000, I have a bridge to sell you. Both of the non-performance Model S models come in under $90k, before incentives, the 70D WELL below. I don't know what you're trying to say here.
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MrYenko posted:Both of the non-performance Model S models come in under $90k, before incentives, the 70D WELL below. I don't know what you're trying to say here. it wont be 30k, and since when has elon been right about price?
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Mulva posted:And if you believe the real price will come in under $90,000, I have a bridge to sell you. You think it'll be more expensive than a base Model S?
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Top Hats Monthly posted:it wont be 30k, and since when has elon been right about price? I don't disagree with THAT, but it also isn't what he said. If they can keep the featureset near that of the Model S, but smaller, lighter, and under $50k, they're going to sell as many as they can build.
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MrYenko posted:I don't disagree with THAT, but it also isn't what he said. If they can keep the featureset near that of the Model S, but smaller, lighter, and under $50k, they're going to sell as many as they can build. They haven't said a whole lot about what features they're planning on putting in the Model 3, aside from at least 200 miles of range. Though most of the noteworthy features of the Model S are based around relatively inexpensive parts, and they could probably reuse a lot of code from the Model S.
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MrYenko posted:I they can keep the featureset near that of the Model S, but smaller, lighter, and under $50k, they're going to sell as many as they can build.
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We'll see in 5-8 years.
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Mange Mite posted:We'll see in 5-8 years.
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It looks like Nissan is planning to add some sort of highway autopilot to the Leaf pretty soon: http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/nissan-unveiled-leaf-piloted-drive-10-concept-plans-autonomous-cars-by-2020-ar171582.html Now we just need them to improve the range to where one can meaningfully take advantage of that feature.
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Cockmaster posted:It looks like Nissan is planning to add some sort of highway autopilot to the Leaf pretty soon: They've supposedly been working on a 60k pack with the same dimensions as the current one.
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ToxicFrog posted:Yes, and it turns out that software is also poo poo. This whole link is full of great reads. Well written and scrupulously researched stuff. Thanks for posting! Mange Mite posted:We'll see in 5-8 years. That soon would make me very happy. Michael Scott fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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Nov 23, 2015 06:37
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Michael Scott posted:That soon would make me very happy. You're right, more like 10-20 years. If they can last that long without some exotic financing meltdown
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quote:We are beginning to get a clearer picture of what Faraday Future, the secretive electric car company, has up its sleeve. http://www.techinsider.io/faraday-future-2015-11 Some interesting factoids/rumours/whatever about the mysterious Faraday Future. There is some sort of launch/keynote/turtleneck event on Jan 4. According to the second pic, Tech Insider seems to think it will be built the same way hipsters build café racers in Brooklyn. Will be interesting to see what they have to say anyway.
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Ranter posted:How many car manufacturers do you think are actually building cars in the bay area? I said 'compared to rest of the bay area' on this same page. Tesla is a bay area company, something most people should know when considering their impact to the Detroit/American car manufacturer industry in general. Most car companies interested in technology have research labs in Silicon Valley now.
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Ola posted:http://www.techinsider.io/faraday-future-2015-11 Aromatherapy in your car. An important development for humanity building on the scented pine trees that hang from taxi drivers rear vision mirrors. We're living in the future, kids.
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drgitlin posted:Most car companies interested in technology have research labs in Silicon Valley now. My point exactly.
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My leaf has a digital clock and a clock in the radio/information system. They are not tied together, the one you have to manually adjust for DST, the other you have to select and option for DST on off. The car has both a GPS receiver and a cellular receiver that could grab date time. Let's be real Microsoft has a billion programming man hours available annually and can't produce a cell phone, how can Nissan compete with that level of failure.
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Elephanthead posted:Let's be real Microsoft has a billion programming man hours available annually and can't produce a cell phone, how can Nissan compete with that level of failure. Microsoft's also (partially) responsible for MyFordTouch. It's just as stupid and somehow can't use the GPS or any of the three different ways it can get online to set the clock.
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Elephanthead posted:My leaf has a digital clock and a clock in the radio/information system. They are not tied together, the one you have to manually adjust for DST, the other you have to select and option for DST on off. The car has both a GPS receiver and a cellular receiver that could grab date time. Let's be real Microsoft has a billion programming man hours available annually and can't produce a cell phone, how can Nissan compete with that level of failure. Yeah this kind of poo poo is why, as much as I love my Leaf in general, I'm not really expecting any sort of working self-driving mechanisms from Nissan in the near future. The 2015 base model doesn't even have a timer you can set to automatically START charging when electric rates are lower, it only has a timer to stop charging at a certain time. I have an alarm on my phone set for when electricity is cheap to go manually plug it in at that time. Also it does bluetooth calling just fine, with audio going over the speakers, but I can't play music over bluetooth for some reason. While this may be some trim upgrade dipshittery, it more seems like just a really goddamned stupid oversight as it's not explicitly listed as a bonus feature of the higher trim levels in any marketing I've seen.
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Nissan isn't going to write their own autonomous-driving software. They're going to license the poo poo out of it, probably as part of a package deal with the sensors.
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Subjunctive posted:Nissan isn't going to write their own autonomous-driving software. They're going to license the poo poo out of it, probably as part of a package deal with the sensors. And it probably still won't set your dash clock correctly.
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As we head into the age of the internet of lovely things, I feel strongly that cars need less computers, not more. About the Leaf charging thing, is it possible to have a timed electric plug? Like the ones that people use for switching lights on and off so it looks like they're home to burglars?
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Ola posted:As we head into the age of the internet of lovely things, I feel strongly that cars need less computers, not more. I don't think it is so much we need less computers, but we need less CONNECTED computers. You really can't get around computers with an Electric Vehicle, or at least basic Engine Management computers for managing batteries and regulators.
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Ola posted:As we head into the age of the internet of lovely things, I feel strongly that cars need less computers, not more. About the Leaf charging thing, is it possible to have a timed electric plug? Like the ones that people use for switching lights on and off so it looks like they're home to burglars? It's possible and a very simple feature, but not one that's been implemented in this case. If it starts charging as soon as it sees power you could buy a timer and find a relay that'll switch the multiple kw required by the charger, nothing particularly difficult really, but not the sort of thing you'll pick up at home depot.
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CommieGIR posted:I don't think it is so much we need less computers, but we need less CONNECTED computers. You really can't get around computers with an Electric Vehicle, or at least basic Engine Management computers for managing batteries and regulators. I agree. We definitely need and want some computers, yeah, but not the lovely ones and not the unnecessarily connected ones like fridges and microwaves. I'm not that against the computers to begin with, it's just that the implementation is so often poo poo and the failure modes unpredictable. I guess there is a boom-bust cycle to this, executives, marketers and buyers have to go through the gee whiz app fever phase before it settles down to useful implementations.
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Ola posted:I agree. We definitely need and want some computers, yeah, but not the lovely ones and not the unnecessarily connected ones like fridges and microwaves. I'm not that against the computers to begin with, it's just that the implementation is so often poo poo and the failure modes unpredictable. I guess there is a boom-bust cycle to this, executives, marketers and buyers have to go through the gee whiz app fever phase before it settles down to useful implementations. Its a failure in risk vs reward management, where marketing and upper management get too much say in the designs of the engineers, most of whom would rather not let their management system be tied in the IoT functions of the vehicle. Its funny, because I love embedded development and connected devices, but even I'm getting tired of the IoT buzzword.
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CommieGIR posted:I don't think it is so much we need less computers, but we need less CONNECTED computers. You really can't get around computers with an Electric Vehicle, or at least basic Engine Management computers for managing batteries and regulators. Nah, connected computers are a good thing as a whole, the tricky thing is convincing the vendors to actually spend time on security rather than rushing features out the door as fast as possible. For that we basically need industry standards and enforcement that actually has teeth. If the stockholders feel it when a security issue comes up you can bet that the company will care next time around. wolrah fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Boten Anna posted:Yeah this kind of poo poo is why, as much as I love my Leaf in general, I'm not really expecting any sort of working self-driving mechanisms from Nissan in the near future. Must be an upgrade because I don't have the base model and mine can do both of those things. My clocks aren't connected either though, but I expected that for dumb, technical reasons. wolrah posted:Nah, connected computers are a good thing as a whole, the tricky thing is convincing the vendors to actually spend time on security rather than rushing features out the door as fast as possible. For that we basically need industry standards and enforcement that actually has teeth. If the stockholders feel it when a security issue comes up you can bet that the company will care next time around. Yeah, that's one thing that's really impressed me with Tesla, their carputer is basically designed from an computer engineer view point, not an auto engineer view point.
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