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Here's a handy checklist to consult on this issue of VIT or STR gear: Did you clear the content? [x] Yes [ ] No Congratulations you have the right gear on.
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Nov 21, 2015 03:21
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EponymousMrYar posted:PLD isn't garbage, garbage tanks are garbage no matter what class they play. I still have more problems with WAR/DRK's that attempt to speed-run pull an instance without checking that their healer/party composition can handle it. Maybe "garbage" was a bit strong but I've got all three tank classes up to at least 50 because I'm unwell and I notice that things take...well, noticeably, longer on my PLD compared to DRK or WAR. They can clear content, obviously, but they just aren't as good, they need help. Or I'm a bad PLD but if I can play DRK & WAR reasonably well, I sincerely doubt I'm doing something wrong with my PLD because they have half as many buttons to press if you exclude cooldowns
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Nov 21, 2015 03:36
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Here's a handy checklist to consult on this issue of VIT or STR gear: 
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Nov 21, 2015 05:49
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Ainsley McTree posted:Or I'm a bad PLD but if I can play DRK & WAR reasonably well, I sincerely doubt I'm doing something wrong with my PLD because they have half as many buttons to press if you exclude cooldowns I do something as PLD occasionally and despite being really good at war and pretty good at DRK, PLD is always awkward and bad and feels like poo poo. PLD is just not very good. ~ Also the right gear for the job is the one where you don't drag on the instance twice as long as it needs to take because you're a loving pantywaste who can't handle str spec/accs and don't know how to use your loving cooldowns and figure out what pace your healer can handle (while you're in DPS stance.) Stop apologizing for vit accessories and being bad, which are one and the same thing.
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Nov 21, 2015 06:00
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if anyone enjoys watching really loving bad WoD runs, now's the time! it's worse than ever now that it's full of retards trying to get the minion.
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Nov 21, 2015 06:21
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Boten Anna posted:Also the right gear for the job is the one where you don't drag on the instance twice as long as it needs to take because you're a loving pantywaste who can't handle str spec/accs and don't know how to use your loving cooldowns and figure out what pace your healer can handle (while you're in DPS stance.) Stop apologizing for vit accessories and being bad, which are one and the same thing. DPS also have to handle the pace too. I've been in groups on my DRK/WAR that have taken longer than my PLD runs because things took forever to die since the DPS were the weak link in the party. PLD is more vulnerable to derp DPS than DRK/WAR certainly. If I don't have a BLM/SMN/SCH in the group I don't do big pulls since it often takes longer for stuff to die without the kings of AoE damage around.
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Nov 21, 2015 06:27
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God forbid the day I agree with KaneTW on something, but I find this pretty accurate. One VIT piece (maybe two on new content) and the rest STR seems to work well.
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Nov 21, 2015 06:43
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yeah but again by wearing vit gear on a tank you piss off people like kanetw which imo is worth it
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Nov 21, 2015 07:17
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Yes but then you can't get ridiculous crits on fell cleave. Anyways, Miunih from Elysium wrote a huge post about what he feels are weaknesses of AST and how to improve them. It's definitely an interesting read, even if you don't agree with him - I'd never thought of GCDs as a resource before, but it makes sense. https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3tlwsk/suggested_ast_changes_to_se_to_bring_it_in_line/
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Nov 21, 2015 07:52
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Holyshoot posted:Tanks aren't the dps paradigm in WoW and it works out fine. The difference is that WoW has a tanking paradigm and FF14 just has a "DPS with high defense and enmity" paradigm. siotle posted:Yes but then you can't get ridiculous crits on fell cleave. I can't give a poo poo about this guy's opinion because he can't be hosed to spell "good" correctly in spite of using it every other sentence. Klades fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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Nov 21, 2015 08:01
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siotle posted:Yes but then you can't get ridiculous crits on fell cleave. Shuffle shouldn't return the same card. AST should get mind bonus. Better yet, get rid of party bonuses. I don't agree with anything else in this entire post. I really don't think AST will stand out from WHM more by giving them a copy of even more skills. He wants to turn malefic into stone 1, helios into traited medica, and give AST their own aero 3. Copy and paste is what got us into this poo poo in the first place. Agraya fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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Nov 21, 2015 08:22
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Burning cards for mp sounds like a nifty idea; kinda like "wasting" aetherflow stacks on energy drains. I don't play AST at all though so I'm not sure what the magnitude of the problem is.
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Nov 21, 2015 08:32
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loquacius posted:mi'qote fetishist spotted Hey man, don't kink shame. Agraya posted:Shuffle shouldn't return the same card. Holy gently caress this.
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Nov 21, 2015 08:35
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Klades posted:I can't give a poo poo about this guy's opinion because he can't be hosed to spell "good" correctly in spite of using it every other sentence. Yeah, the way this guy types makes me feel like I fell into a hole and ended up on the message boards I frequented when I was thirteen and everyone typed like an obnoxious moron. I hate him.
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Nov 21, 2015 11:32
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The "official" reason that was given in the live letter FWIW isn't necessarily that STR tanks are bad, it's that overmelded accessories are legitimately stronger than raid accessories/tomestone accessories and the main way you get them is through hordes of gil.quote:"Many of those attempting instanced raids in the early stages tend to use advanced materia melding on accessories, which lead to tanks being required to meld STR or VIT. Due to this there were times where the melded accessories were better than the accessories which dropped from clearing the instance. In order to resolve this issue, in Patch 3.2 we will be making adjustments that will change the damage calculations of tanks into a more appropriate state. " And with the inclusion of the materia through Diadem as another way to get them, they seem to really be trying to cut down on the importance of gil for raiding purposes.
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Nov 21, 2015 12:20
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They could also unfuck the card RNG the same way many versions of Tetris "solve" the piece RNG but it would require at least a whole half-byte worth of extra data in server RAM per AST so...
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Nov 21, 2015 17:04
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Ainsley McTree posted:Maybe "garbage" was a bit strong but I've got all three tank classes up to at least 50 because I'm unwell and I notice that things take...well, noticeably, longer on my PLD compared to DRK or WAR. They can clear content, obviously, but they just aren't as good, they need help. Really if they want Paladins to be the huge mitigation tank, they need to retool the job or certain mechanics(Blocking) for it to be as such. The benefit over Warrior in that regard is insignificant compared to Warriors offense over Paladin. I believe the paradigm should eventually fall to Paladin + Mostly DPSing healer vs Warrior + Mostly Healing, with Dark Knight being able to play between, like Astrologian being the compromise between Scholar and White Mage with their own thing going as well. But with the way things currently are, Warrior can support DPS healing practically just as well as a Paladin does given their toolbox of skills. I feel it's honestly a bit late in 3.X to actually change tanking up like that, and(As someone who had leveled Paladin in 2.X) I definitely don't want to see Warrior DPS nerfed any cause I think it's pretty cool what they do. Paladin should just be structured to let Healers cut loose between the tank busters and heavy raid-wide damage mechanics imo. Skaw fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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Nov 21, 2015 18:06
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I think I found the person that everyone feared when Diadem became a thing: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/7007423/ All i210 mistbreak gear except for the chest and belt (and weapon, but you know...).
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Nov 21, 2015 18:59
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the stats on most of those are loving dire ugh
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Nov 21, 2015 19:06
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seiferguy posted:I think I found the person that everyone feared when Diadem became a thing: It may not be the actual result people feared, but a wave of players with massively sub-optimal gear only worn because it's 210 is its own sort of monster.
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Nov 21, 2015 19:07
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seiferguy posted:I think I found the person that everyone feared when Diadem became a thing: What the gently caress is this person spending their Mhachi Farthings on this is bothering the heck out of me, they straight up just do not have an i210 chest despite having nothing else to spend the loving things on ..They've never done Void Ark, have they.
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Nov 21, 2015 19:10
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why should they do void ark? it's i200 and they've got plenty of i210 already 
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Nov 21, 2015 19:13
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But on the other hand, check out those gamebreaking i210 healer pants, with a whopping +34 spell speed as a secondary and nothing else! ...wait.
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Nov 21, 2015 19:19
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EponymousMrYar posted:DPS also have to handle the pace too. I've been in groups on my DRK/WAR that have taken longer than my PLD runs because things took forever to die since the DPS were the weak link in the party. PLD is more vulnerable to derp DPS than DRK/WAR certainly. If I don't have a BLM/SMN/SCH in the group I don't do big pulls since it often takes longer for stuff to die without the kings of AoE damage around. This is what I mean by learn to tell what the group can take, though honestly in the case of WAR my AOE dps is so absurd I rarely care about more than whether the healer can keep me alive, and I have a lot of tricks up my sleeve to stay survivable even with bad healers (they're called cooldowns.) Also most classes that you dont think of as AOE dps can actually do AOE dps, like monk, just people are goddamned babies who can't do math and think running out of TP is bad for some reason. Yeah it sucks to not hit something every gcd but you're still getting more potency per tp on monk if you are aoeing on 3+ targets.
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Nov 21, 2015 20:00
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The worst thing are monks that never use Perfect Balance in a dungeon, like what are they saving it for?
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Nov 21, 2015 20:59
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Boten Anna posted:This is what I mean by learn to tell what the group can take, though honestly in the case of WAR my AOE dps is so absurd I rarely care about more than whether the healer can keep me alive, and I have a lot of tricks up my sleeve to stay survivable even with bad healers (they're called cooldowns.) Monks actually have some of the best AoE nowadays, too, with Elixir Field and Forbidden Chakra as Heavensward additions.
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Nov 21, 2015 21:10
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Boten Anna posted:
This is the worst when you're playing a class that can give out TP regen, and the warrior and dragoon you're with only do single target for the entire dungeon.
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Nov 21, 2015 21:23
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I like dragoons that spam ring of thorns instead of doom spike, the more TP efficient move that does more damage. gently caress math
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Nov 21, 2015 21:28
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Fister Roboto posted:This is the worst when you're playing a class that can give out TP regen, and the warrior and dragoon you're with only do single target for the entire dungeon. As someone who mains AST and uses NIN as my main DPS I apologize for not keeping up on tp regen cause no one ever actually gets to that point so I ignore the TP bar.
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Nov 21, 2015 21:50
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ArtIsResistance posted:I like dragoons that spam ring of thorns instead of doom spike, the more TP efficient move that does more damage. gently caress math Yeah, there are still way too many bards just using Wide Volley until TP hits zero as well. That skill is dead, guys. Stutter step your way to Quick Nock range and deal with it. Same damage, less TP, wider target range. I actually wouldn't mind if that skill was re-tuned as an ability similar to Barrage that just made your next single target weaponskill AoE. Skaw fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Nov 21, 2015 |
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Nov 21, 2015 22:29
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ArtIsResistance posted:I like dragoons that spam ring of thorns instead of doom spike, the more TP efficient move that does more damage. gently caress math Poledancing cat/lizardgirls.
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Nov 21, 2015 23:00
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Skaw posted:Yeah, there are still way too many bards just using Wide Volley until TP hits zero as well. That skill is dead, guys. Stutter step your way to Quick Nock range and deal with it. Same damage, less TP, wider target range. I actually wouldn't mind if that skill was re-tuned as an ability similar to Barrage that just made your next single target weaponskill AoE. Yeah Wide Volley died when they revamped the proc mechanic to be used for MCHs main rotation. Yet SE still hasn't done anything about it, I guess it shows how many people actually still play BRD over there.
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Nov 21, 2015 23:02
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seiferguy posted:I think I found the person that everyone feared when Diadem became a thing: I fear players like this but for entirely different reasons than what you're suggesting. Those substats... 
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Nov 22, 2015 00:15
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PARSER RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEquote:I asked a friend to parse me in the Diadem, and after I did my full rotation which may I add I practiced for two weeks straight non stop, I find out my dps is 800. Wtf? What am I doing wrong?? quote:You should report your friend for using a parser. It is against TOS and he must be banned.
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Nov 22, 2015 01:01
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click, whirrrr must destroy all parser users
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Nov 22, 2015 01:04
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turn off that parser or i'm going to equip an ilvl 22 gearset
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Nov 22, 2015 01:05
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I saw a 210 slaying earring in Diadem once where the sole substat was 11 skill speed. It makes me wonder just how low the stat floor on Diadem items is.
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Nov 22, 2015 01:08
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Saigyouji posted:I saw a 210 slaying earring in Diadem once where the sole substat was 11 skill speed. It makes me wonder just how low the stat floor on Diadem items is. It's possible for them to have mainstat only.
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Nov 22, 2015 02:28
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I did my first Diadem tonight and I'm not sure when I'm ever going to do that again... even though I do totally want that Pegasus mount. Edit: although to be fair part of it would be the whole 'sit there and farm for an hour and a half' Kwyndig fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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Nov 22, 2015 02:32
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Diadem is really awesome when you get 4-5 groups in a spot farming rank IV and V. That's usually a sweet spot where everyone can get credit and things die fast. Tonight we had 6 or 7 groups farming rank III/IV mobs so it gets difficult to get credit if your party isn't going balls to the wall the entire time. If we had found another spot for farming rank III with just the 24 of us I think it would have been better than going for the rank Vs.
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