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Acne Rain posted:i thought goons boycotted the sun (by staying indoors) Unfortunately we get very little choice in our boycotting in this country 
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Peanut Butter posted:To go back to sports chat, one of the most prominent examples for me is Larkhall in Scotland. The football rivalry there is so strong that the majority of the (Rangers supporting) population does not tolerate the colour green even being in the town, because it is associated with their rival team, Celtic. In practice what this leads to is shops having to change the colours of their signs, green streetlights being smashed and even grass being uprooted. It's mind-boggling to think that people could hate something as benign and ubiquitous as the colour green, but there you have it. I would love to see a professional sociologists opinion on this. Its not often theres city wide mania. Last was the pied piper, right? Or tarantulaism?
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Wedemeyer posted:I would love to see a professional sociologists opinion on this. Its not often theres city wide mania. Last was the pied piper, right? Or tarantulaism? This nails it pretty well.
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Karma Monkey posted:This nails it pretty well. They pretty much directly lift the whole plot of this episode in s02e05 of Rick and Morty.
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At the intersection of football hooligans and newspapers comes the Millwall brick: an improvised weapon made out of newspaper devised after stadium police started confiscating anything that could possibly be a weapon in the 1960s. I think I first learned about it in Bill Buford's Among the Thugs, recommended to me by an anthropology professor. Video tutorial
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benito posted:At the intersection of football hooligans and newspapers comes the Millwall brick: an improvised weapon made out of newspaper devised after stadium police started confiscating anything that could possibly be a weapon in the 1960s. I think I first learned about it in Bill Buford's Among the Thugs, recommended to me by an anthropology professor. LOL at the video description (emphasis mine) quote:this is just a tutorial of how to make a easy quick and very effective newspaper baton for smashing car windows in emergencies or breaking windows of cabinets of a self defence weapon. there are many more uses for it too. You don't say! 
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benito posted:At the intersection of football hooligans and newspapers comes the Millwall brick: an improvised weapon made out of newspaper devised after stadium police started confiscating anything that could possibly be a weapon in the 1960s. I think I first learned about it in Bill Buford's Among the Thugs, recommended to me by an anthropology professor. That Wiki mentions Polo Mints being used as a weapon. WTF. 
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Rondette posted:That Wiki mentions Polo Mints being used as a weapon. Like a roll of quarters except with a fresh minty aftertaste
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What about fizzy drink cans? Surely they must be banned, too.
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benito posted:At the intersection of football hooligans and newspapers comes the Millwall brick: an improvised weapon made out of newspaper devised after stadium police started confiscating anything that could possibly be a weapon in the 1960s. I think I first learned about it in Bill Buford's Among the Thugs, recommended to me by an anthropology professor. Can't recommend that book enough. I have zero interest in football and I loved this book. Just fantastic writing and a very interesting take on why we find ecstasy in violence.
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Samovar posted:What about fizzy drink cans? Surely they must be banned, too. Actually yes
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artichoke posted:Can't recommend that book enough. I have zero interest in football and I loved this book. Just fantastic writing and a very interesting take on why we find ecstasy in violence. I was recommended the book because I'd just read a dozen ethnographies of various cultures, written by Brits. All sorts of nasty things done by tribes around the world. So for perspective, I got to read an American author witnessing things like an English football fan sucking the eyeball out of a policeman's skull during a bar fight. 
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When you were describing the Bill Buford book I was wondering if it was related to the article about football fans from the book The New Kings of Nonfiction. Turns out it was an excerpt. I'll have to read the whole thing.
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Potentially 40,000 false convictions, stemming from chemist falsifying test results Annie Dookhan, a chemist who worked at a Massachusetts state lab drug analysis unit. Dookhan was sentenced in 2013 to at least three years in prison, after pleading guilty in 2012 to having falsified thousands of drug tests. Dookhan failed to properly test drug samples before declaring them positive, mixed up samples to create positive tests, forged signatures, and lied about her own credentials. Over her nine-year career, Dookhan tested about 60,000 samples involved in roughly 34,000 criminal cases.
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ultrabindu posted:Potentially 40,000 false convictions, stemming from chemist falsifying test results Jesus, only 3 years? God only knows how many lives she completely ruined because of ignorance or pure laziness
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Aesop Poprock posted:Jesus, only 3 years? God only knows how many lives she completely ruined because of ignorance or pure laziness "It's OK, they're bad drug users so they deserve to get locked up!"
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Aesop Poprock posted:Jesus, only 3 years? God only knows how many lives she completely ruined because of ignorance or pure laziness There are about to be THOUSANDS of appeals filed in MA, with the end result possibly being a huge release of drug offenders because of evidence tampering.
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EZipperelli posted:There are about to be THOUSANDS of appeals filed in MA, with the end result possibly being a huge release of drug offenders because of evidence tampering. Is this the makings of a huge class action suit?
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Solice Kirsk posted:Is this the makings of a huge class action suit? Not necessarily a class-action suit, just a ton of appeals based on false/tampered evidence, which is reason enough for convictions to be overturned.
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Two 3 year olds left in an apartment without adult supervision put their 19 month old sister into an oven and turn it on, the baby later died.quote:According to court records, the two 3-year-olds told CPS workers they made the oven "hot." They said the baby was kicking the oven door while inside.
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Nth Doctor posted:Two 3 year olds left in an apartment without adult supervision put their 19 month old sister into an oven and turn it on, the baby later died. 
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RNG posted:Crowd control measures designed to keep fans of opposing teams on separate sides of the stadium at a football match lead to overcrowding; people keep entering without realizing the stadium is at full capacity. Within 20 minutes, 96 people are dead and 766 others are injured. I've been in a crowd crush before, and that poo poo is terrifying. We were in Boston once on vacation for the 4th of July and went down to see the fireworks, I went for a walk and took a wrong turn and ended up right in front of the bandshell. At one point I was so crushed in my feet were off the ground and I could barely breathe. That's one of those things that just scares the hell out of me now.
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Enos Shenk posted:I've been in a crowd crush before, and that poo poo is terrifying. We were in Boston once on vacation for the 4th of July and went down to see the fireworks, I went for a walk and took a wrong turn and ended up right in front of the bandshell. At one point I was so crushed in my feet were off the ground and I could barely breathe. There was an article a few years ago, I think it would have been 2009, the twentieth anniversary, which had survivor accounts. They were absolutely harrowing, and I remember reading it on the train and nearly crying. I can't imagine anything worse than what those people went through. http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/docs/LCS000001110001.pdf Read it and weep. Awful. Rondette has a new favorite as of 19:18 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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Rondette posted:There was an article a few years ago, I think it would have been 2009, the twentieth anniversary, which had survivor accounts. They were absolutely harrowing, and I remember reading it on the train and nearly crying. I can't imagine anything worse than what those people went through. I don't know, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire is pretty traumatic as well considering it's a combination of a crush and being horribly burned to death with no hope of escape. I saw the video someone had taken once and seeing a wall of human beings stuck in the doorway screaming before they're consumed by flames was one of the worst things I've ever seen on the internet
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The Stardust fire had something similar where the owners had chained fire exists shut to prevent people sneaking in and then when a massive fire did happen there was pandemonium and it ended in tragedy.
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Aesop Poprock posted:I don't know, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire is pretty traumatic as well considering it's a combination of a crush and being horribly burned to death with no hope of escape. I saw the video someone had taken once and seeing a wall of human beings stuck in the doorway screaming before they're consumed by flames was one of the worst things I've ever seen on the internet Yeah, I posted earlier on the Station fire in this thread. There are several recordings of the fire in various forms: Brian Butler was a local WPRI news reporter who filmed the above mentioned video. Morbidly enough he was there to film a story on fire safety at the urging of one of the club's owners, a news reporter at his station.. Dan Davidson was amateur photographer who snapped several photos before escaping. Joe Cristina was there with Matt Pickett and snapped a single photo before escaping. Matt Pickett died in the fire but the Sony Walkman he was carrying in his pocket to record the concert survived. The ATF was able to salvage the burned recorder then piece together the whole thing using computers. To quote the book Killer Show "...The Pickett audiotape continues for another ten minutes. Its contents are probably worse than most of us would care to imagine. As fire science suggests, many victims were instantly rendered unconscious by smoke,and thereby spared suffering. However, Matthew Pickett’s audiotape also teaches that pain and despair do not discriminate by sex, and pleas to be rescued by God or man may go unheard. In the end, its only sounds are the crackle, hiss, and pop of flames,indistinguishable from those of logs in a fireplace —sounds that in a different setting can be so comforting,but are here so profoundly disturbing."  What's really infuriating though is simply looking at the layout of the club reveals the main problem. The narrowness of Door 5 turns the front entrance into (more of) a deathtrap. Just looking at the plan though, one of my inital thoughts was "Why not try the atrium/sunroom with all those big glass windows? It's right by where the crowd was so why not just knock out a window?" Well, to quote John Barylick's excellent Killer Show again. "The atrium deceptively suggested a possible escape route for panicked patrons; however, its “windows” were actually impenetrable save for three low glass (rather than Plexiglas) panels at widely separated locations.The Derderians had pushed three pool tables up against the windows, in order to garner more standing-room space. The result was a billiard barricade that kept victims from the few breakable panels."
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Wasn't there a case of a girls' boarding school in Saudi Arabia catching fire and the fire service refusing to let out girls because they were dressed "immodestly"? I think about 30 girls died because the authorities would rather have them burned/suffocated to death than have then escape in their pajamas. Tell me that is true and not some urban legend. (I don't want to be right about it because .) Edit: Eyyyy... Bad news is that it is 100% real and some of the "rescuers" forced the girls back into the burning building because of their clothing. (15 dead, 50 injured.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca_girls%27_school_fire Josef K. Sourdust has a new favorite as of 01:14 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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Enos Shenk posted:I've been in a crowd crush before, and that poo poo is terrifying. We were in Boston once on vacation for the 4th of July and went down to see the fireworks, I went for a walk and took a wrong turn and ended up right in front of the bandshell. At one point I was so crushed in my feet were off the ground and I could barely breathe. I had something similar happen at a Fear Factory concert. It was a small venue and the orchestra pit, which was enclosed by handrails and a wall, was SRO and absolutely filled with people. It wasn't a mosh pit because there was no room to move. I could feel my pelvis/ribcage/whatever getting pressed back against the wall and it was terrifying because 1) you can't move, the crowd controls where you go and 2) if someone had fallen there is no chance they would not have been trampled.
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ESPN 30 for 30 has a documentary about Hillsborough, it's on both Netflix and YouTube, I'm in the middle of watching it right now and god drat.
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djssniper posted:Fire.. no thanks that's horrific They're still starting up stupid cheers when it's immediately obvious that people are burning to death...
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Medieval Medic posted:Wasn't there a stampede at a german techno festival a couple years ago with a pretty high number of fatalities? The Love Parade.
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The Sun is a rag and Kelvin Mackenzie is a piece of poo poo. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster#The_Sun_newspaper
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djssniper posted:Fire.. no thanks that's horrific I just got back from a few days in London and goddamn do I hate being in the Underground. Narrow, tight, and pretty far underground. Ugh.
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Rondette posted:There was an article a few years ago, I think it would have been 2009, the twentieth anniversary, which had survivor accounts. They were absolutely harrowing, and I remember reading it on the train and nearly crying. I can't imagine anything worse than what those people went through. I've always struggled to comprehend what crowd crush disasters were like. After reading those descriptions I'm not struggling anymore.
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slinkimalinki posted:I've always struggled to comprehend what crowd crush disasters were like. After reading those descriptions I'm not struggling anymore. Unfortunately, all the people around you still are.
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Aesop Poprock posted:I don't know, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire is pretty traumatic as well considering it's a combination of a crush and being horribly burned to death with no hope of escape. I saw the video someone had taken once and seeing a wall of human beings stuck in the doorway screaming before they're consumed by flames was one of the worst things I've ever seen on the internet Oh drat, yeah. My mind had wiped this one. Regarding that Bradford fire (I have never heard about this, I was 5 at the time so I guess my parents protected me from that.) quote:Eric Bennet (Australian tourist) had put a ciggarette down to stamp it out and saw it catch fire on rubbish beneath the stand, he had tried to put it out with coffee but was unsuccessful. Just get people to watch the man walking around engulfed in flames next time someone moans that they can't smoke at events anymore. That commentator did a remarkable job too, pretty impressive to keep calm with that going on around, while you can feel the heat of the fire on your face. Rondette has a new favorite as of 15:38 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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