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BlitzBlast posted:Personally I'm more interested in how Biscuit is going to develop. He's the most together of all the main characters so far, and he's clearly not entirely happy with how things are being ran. It's doubtful he'll do anything rash (especially with his sisters counting on him), but I think he's eventually going to get sick of all of Orga's daredevilry. Yeah I think Biscuit, Eugene, and Akihiro have all had some really stand-out moments in the recent episodes and I'm excited to see how they'll develop. The supporting cast has been really good so far.
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Clarste posted:She obviously expected him to splat headfirst into the asteroid, whereas he instead stabbed his spear into it to slow his momentum. He didn't just mindlessly tank a hit. The emphasis has always been on Mika's good fighting instincts, rather than the strength of the machine. I didn't actually remember him doing that, I remembered that there was a big explosion when he hit the asteroid and assumed that was him, well, hitting it, so I went back and watched it. Turns out you're right, and I missed that on first watch. The weird this is that there are a bunch of huge explosions when he does that, and in the next shot his bazooka is floating by looking like it got all ruined. I wonder if he detonated the ammo or something to make it look like he was done for. On second watch, the negotiation scene seems...well, Tekkedan needs somebody who actually knows something about negotiation. There's the whole "Orga makes terrible decisions because of Mika thing" but then afterwards Biscuit was saying, "There was room for negotiation!" and Orga's replies with "Yeah I know" but what room did they actually have? The Jovian mafia dude gave them an offer, but in this situation they have nothing to counter-offer with. In the hypothetical situation where Orga for Reasons takes Mika's "Don't want to be split up" sentiment in mind but instead of going for the guns tries to cut a deal which preserves the people of Tekkedan as a unit, he has nothing extra to offer the mafia guy, so he'd have to try to bargin him down from "Oh and I'll split you up" which, uh, would be a very hard sell even for a charismatic diplomat and while Orga might have some charisma his deal-making abilities leave a lot to be desired. Also I find it hilarious that when Orga's giving commands to his subordinates he just sort of looks and gestures and nonverbally goes "Hey, Person X, do the needful!". It's great how he as a leader doesn't really give explicit commands, he just waves at Eugene and nods at Biscuit and then improvises off what they give him. He's lucky that Biscuit really actually competent, he'd be sunk if his second-in-command was incompetent or shared his lack of regard for logistics or future planning.
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Nov 22, 2015 03:46
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ShiroIchida posted:I didn't actually remember him doing that, I remembered that there was a big explosion when he hit the asteroid and assumed that was him, well, hitting it, so I went back and watched it. Turns out you're right, and I missed that on first watch. The weird this is that there are a bunch of huge explosions when he does that, and in the next shot his bazooka is floating by looking like it got all ruined. I wonder if he detonated the ammo or something to make it look like he was done for. I hope orga gives you a swirly
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Nov 22, 2015 04:34
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Clarste posted:Okay then, maybe I completely misunderstood the original post then. I just don't think "super-machine" has the right connotation when said super-Gundams actually exist to be compared to. The twin-reactors are the key thing to why it's so powerful. The only thing running on a secondary fuel is the thrusters, the joint motors and (I think?) the nano-armor are only as fast and strong as the reactor power forced into them (so if you take a piece of armor off a Graze and stick it on the Barbatos, it might actually be a good deal stronger just by simply being attached to it). If it's anything like the 00 Gundam, then a synchronized Ahab pair aren't even doubling the output, it's squared.
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Nov 22, 2015 05:14
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Tae posted:The original gundam was also outdated by the end of the show unlike most modern gundam shows. It's an interesting arc for the Gundam. At the start of the show, it was the ultimate Mobile Suit, the best anybody had. It was in a fight, it was winning, even against much better pilots. Meanwhile, the pilot was a rookie who'd read the manual a few times. At the end of the show, it was about as good as the best mass production models on either side, and a little less impressive than some of the prototypes, but the pilot was a legendary ace who could stomp all over almost anyone either side could field, to the point they had to upgrade the Gundam just so it wouldn't explode from the maneuvers he was pulling.
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Nov 22, 2015 06:10
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ibo is as good as this thread is bad
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Nov 22, 2015 09:58
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Serious Frolicking posted:ibo is as good as this thread is bad I like IBO, but I think that's some unreasonable hype there.
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Nov 22, 2015 10:28
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ShiroIchida posted:On second watch, the negotiation scene seems...well, Tekkedan needs somebody who actually knows something about negotiation. There's the whole "Orga makes terrible decisions because of Mika thing" but then afterwards Biscuit was saying, "There was room for negotiation!" and Orga's replies with "Yeah I know" but what room did they actually have? The Jovian mafia dude gave them an offer, but in this situation they have nothing to counter-offer with. In the hypothetical situation where Orga for Reasons takes Mika's "Don't want to be split up" sentiment in mind but instead of going for the guns tries to cut a deal which preserves the people of Tekkedan as a unit, he has nothing extra to offer the mafia guy, so he'd have to try to bargin him down from "Oh and I'll split you up" which, uh, would be a very hard sell even for a charismatic diplomat and while Orga might have some charisma his deal-making abilities leave a lot to be desired. He only wants the ship. IE: Money. He doesn't care what happens to anything else, and the offer to give the kids jobs was just out of the kindness of his heart. If they offer him the same or greater amount of money, then he has absolutely no reason not to accept that deal, other than perhaps not trusting them to be able to earn enough to pay it back. There's always room for negotiation.
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Nov 22, 2015 10:41
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Clarste posted:He only wants the ship. IE: Money. He doesn't care what happens to anything else, and the offer to give the kids jobs was just out of the kindness of his heart. If they offer him the same or greater amount of money, then he has absolutely no reason not to accept that deal, other than perhaps not trusting them to be able to earn enough to pay it back. There's always room for negotiation. Also, I assumed from Biscuit's reaction that Naze had just initiated a haggle, where the whole point is to make yourself look like as much of an uncompromising hardass as possible while being way more willing to compromise than you let on.
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Nov 22, 2015 11:04
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They even were haggling for a bit there, until "what happens to Kudelia" came up. Orga has consistently refused to double-cross her and has repeatedly committed to seeing the escort job through.
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Nov 22, 2015 12:57
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paragon1 posted:They even were haggling for a bit there, until "what happens to Kudelia" came up. Orga has consistently refused to double-cross her and has repeatedly committed to seeing the escort job through. This consistently explains all of Orga's behaviours. Orga not only wants to be a badass like Mika so effortlessly is, but he also wants to serve as a moral beacon to his best friend. When Mika gunned down that man in the first scene of that show, Orga was horrified.
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Nov 22, 2015 13:03
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I like they briefly went to explore the boarding party's perspective of things.Also that Naze is an unapologetic polygamist. I get him being a literal gangster probably mitigates how that might project, but that seems... still feels kinda bold for a TV show. Also it looks like that the setting as a whole could be veering towards another Calamity War, if the economic blocs even on Earth are starting to grow tired of Gjallarhorn's hold over them, whilst its able to act with increasing impunity. Would be easy to see Tekkadan caught up in some false flag operation, as an opening move to try and blunt Gjallarhorn if it works, and as someone to take the fall if it fails.
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Nov 22, 2015 13:08
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There's also a business angle/ reputation thing to consider. They're a bunch of kids with no real contacts in the wider world. If they hand over Kudelia then they'll never get hired again, because who's going to hire the incompetent teens who backstab their client at the first sign of serious resistance? However, if they not only succeed in getting the job done but do so relatively intact then Tekkadan looks like a bunch of super-competent badasses that you can trust.Astro Nut posted:Also that Naze is an unapologetic polygamist. Uh what? When was this revealed? The only woman I recall him coming across as having a relationship with is the pilot lady he's making out with in the OP. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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Nov 22, 2015 13:14
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Tekkadan is incredibly lucky Naze's a family man or else he wouldn't be so sympathetic to their motley crew. Also, this was pretty much an Orga episode and I appreciated that. It was cool to learn more about his ideas on what being the boss means, because we've mostly learnt about his relationship to Mika and not the rest of the crew. He's a pretty cool dude.Phobophilia posted:This consistently explains all of Orga's behaviours. Orga not only wants to be a badass like Mika so effortlessly is, but he also wants to serve as a moral beacon to his best friend. When Mika gunned down that man in the first scene of that show, Orga was horrified. And then he has Mika gun down two dudes in the third episode. They've got a complicated relationship. Although, I thought he was less horrified in that flashback and more scared. Like, "Holy poo poo. My best friend would kill a guy for me, and he doesn't even care."
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Nov 22, 2015 13:16
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He's pretty clearly repulsed at the sight of the blood. He's also holding a jammed gun so presumably kid Orga tried to do some shooting too. I'm sure more about that incident will be revealed as the show goes on.
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Nov 22, 2015 13:19
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Oh, his gun jammed? I interpreted as him either having missed a shot or not being able to bring himself to pull the trigger.paragon1 posted:Uh what? When was this revealed? The only woman I recall him coming across as having a relationship with is the pilot lady he's making out with in the OP. Next episode is up and it's laid out pretty clearly there.
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Nov 22, 2015 13:22
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Oh, his gun jammed? I interpreted as him either having missed a shot or not being able to bring himself to pull the trigger. Oh okay, haven't seen it yet. Yeah, I may be misremembering but it looked like the shell casing didn't eject properly? Edit: okay yeah going back and rewatching it I'm full of poo poo. Orga didn't have a gun, he was just standing there bleeding from the head and clutching his arm. Mika's gun jams that way on the third shot and he lands on his rear end. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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paragon1 posted:Oh okay, haven't seen it yet. Yeah, I may be misremembering but it looked like the shell casing didn't eject properly? You're probably right, the only thing I really remember clearly about the scene was kid Mika killing a guy and Orga looking shocked.
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Nov 22, 2015 13:26
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Yeah the opening makes it pretty clear that the Turbines are his Harem. Just another good episode, Orga was especially cute in this episode, and Naze was just like, "oh man, it's a young me."
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Nov 22, 2015 13:53
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Serious Frolicking posted:Does Biscuit even have whiskers? No, he's too young for a beard.
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Nov 22, 2015 13:59
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I can't help but feel that something unpleasant's going to happen with the Turbines, though. They're exactly what Orga wants Tekkadan to be - a feared, profitable mercenary company that's also a happy, affectionate, and close-knit family unit, and now Naze's offered him the chance to become just like them. Problem is, that's not what the show's been pushing so far - being a renowned, well-treated child soldier doesn't trump not being a child soldier at all. Kudelia wants to create a Mars where children don't have to fight, Biscuit wants to find a way for his family to not starve, and even Mikazuki wants to stop killing and become a farmer. That means things have to go wrong, we have to be shown the dark side of the Turbines' path. Now, they've established themselves as too genuinely nice and sympathetic for a betrayal to be likely, so I'm guessing something ghastly's coming their way as an object lesson for Tekkadan. Internal Teiwaz power struggle, maybe? Betrayal from higher up? We only got a brief glimpse of him, but McMurdo sure seems to fit the profile of the shady, unpleasant old men we've seen so far like Maruba, Nobliss, and Coral.
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That gas tactic to infiltrate the ship without any casualty is smart, and then already having the counter to that counter tactic is continuing why this show is enjoyable. Also, they spent the minimal but necessary time to "power-up" the pilots to improve, possibly making Mika better in situations where he has to manually pilot without the whiskers. I'm curious how much time has really passed on this mission, though if their Mars crew is already spent on money.
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Darth Walrus posted:We only got a brief glimpse of him, but McMurdo sure seems to fit the profile of the shady, unpleasant old men we've seen so far like Maruba, Nobliss, and Coral. The next episode's name, "Sakazuki," refers to ritual cups of sake sons/underlings share with the father/boss to become bonded. (thanks One Piece. thone piece) He's definitely not going to be the nicest guy around, but he's the Space Yakuza Boss and probably honorable as gently caress. That's my prediction anyway.
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Logicblade posted:Just another good episode, Orga was especially cute in this episode, and Naze was just like, "oh man, it's a young me." Everyone's reactions to Naze admitting it's all a big harem, Akihiro screaming and going all "I still have quarters, man! I can keep going! One more round!" in the simulator, Orga getting his forehead flicked. I hope IBO keeps this quality for the entire run.
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Nov 22, 2015 15:58
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Orga didn't have the word to express how he felt about his crew. "Family." And Mika feels he's failed Orga and the gang by going up against an enemy he couldn't kill off.  The reactions to the harem reveal were all amazing. The Turbines definitely look like a Tekkadan that "made it": feared, cool as gently caress, close-knit. Which makes me fear for everyone now  And now we know the blocs and Gjallarhorn aren't exactly seeing eye to eye, which makes the Arbrau leader wanting to meet Kudelia make sense. He's setting up the groundwork to get rid of Gjallarhorn.
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Oh hey, there's the title. Also, I'm not sure why exactly, but I don't entirely trust Kudelia's retainer. She gave one strange look a few episodes back or something and now, like the shifty eyed dog in that Simpsons episode, I'm just not sure about her.
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a kitten posted:Oh hey, there's the title. Either she's Nobliss's agent, or she knows something nasty about Teiwaz that everyone else doesn't. Either seems probable, although she has shown what appears to be genuine concern for Kudelia several times now. On an unrelated note, I do enjoy that Naze's reaction to Orga these past couple of episodes has largely been 'man, that's your harem? Step up your game, dude'. Speaking of, let's hope he doesn't mind a spot of adultery. That many teenage boys and girls in close proximity is a recipe for trouble, and I'd be amazed if at least one secondary romance subplot doesn't come out of this alliance.
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a kitten posted:Oh hey, there's the title. I think the show definitely has its moments of raising suspicion toward her. In one of the earlier episodes she said something that made me think she was under Kudelia's fathers influence, but he's a giant shitbag that appears to be completely irrelevant to the story so far. I think the surprise may be that she really is just a maid in the very classic story sense, more of a prop than a character and she's completely fine with that.
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Just to fuel speculation: in episode 1, Kudelia goes off with Mikazuki for a tour of the base. It's Fumitan who actually negotiates the contract with Maruba and CGS.
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a kitten posted:Oh hey, there's the title. I was expecting her to have had a hand in selling out Kudelia when she disappeared during that first Gjallarhorn attack, but a few episodes later she stopped chocolate man from seeing her at the field so she's got some other kind of angle. Whatever it is, she's way too competent to not be up to something.
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Traveller posted:Just to fuel speculation: in episode 1, Kudelia goes off with Mikazuki for a tour of the base. It's Fumitan who actually negotiates the contract with Maruba and CGS. It wasn't just Fumitan and Maruba in the room. Orga was present as well, along with other boys (Bisquit and Eugene?), and they also have no idea what "property" means. Unless they got kicked out right after Kudelia left the room.
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Nov 22, 2015 18:59
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Another high ranking member of a powerful group from Jupiter with long hair, a white coat, and women all over him? Still less of a creep than Sirocco!
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Nov 22, 2015 19:39
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He's not a deadbeat dad and takes care of his kids, better than most dads in mecha anime
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Tae posted:I'm curious how much time has really passed on this mission, though if their Mars crew is already spent on money.
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AradoBalanga posted:One of the kids (Ride? Whoever the younger redhead is) mentioned it had been 10 days since they encountered Naze initially, so I want to guess it's at least been maybe...2 weeks since Tekkadan left Mars. Which says a lot about how bad their financial situation was before leaving. Yeah, what I read into it is the company financials were probably pretty bad to begin with, given that the company was basically child slave workers and the backdrop of this whole setting is that Mars lacks economic independence and is being exploited by factions on Earth.
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Nov 22, 2015 20:34
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haha, i love that the opening shot this week was the potato helmets backed by intense battle music
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dogsicle posted:haha, i love that the opening shot this week was the potato helmets backed by intense battle music
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Nov 22, 2015 21:13
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Getting to see Orga's uncertainty and inexperience this episode was pretty great. I liked that it was emphasized several times that he's also a kid just like the rest of them.
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dogsicle posted:haha, i love that the opening shot this week was the potato helmets backed by intense battle music Stay safe, potatoes.
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I really like how this show is adopting a habit of opening episodes with a 'last time on iron-blooded orphans' but then showing events from a different perspective, it allows the big tense moments to have their dramatic turnarounds but then can both go into more detail how that happened and be a decent refresher on what's going on too. It's a really well-done decision.
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