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Epic High Five posted:How much racial realism is based on made up statistics with no source or grounding in reality? For example, there is no such thing as a Crime Statistics Bureau in SF i wasn't defending him. i was saying citing bullshit statistics about how blacks are dumb violent animals who kill everything is trope/trait of racial "realist" dickheads.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i wasn't defending him. i was saying citing bullshit statistics about how blacks are dumb violent animals who kill everything is trope/trait of racial "realist" dickheads. Oh I didn't mean to imply that you were, I was just commenting on your post and using it as a jumping off point. Sorry for the confusion
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Epic High Five posted:Oh I didn't mean to imply that you were, I was just commenting on your post and using it as a jumping off point. Sorry for the confusion yeah, after reading it a second time i got that impression. its cool.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:26
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Another interesting thing is that nobody in the media is crying about "Free Speech" for this man, or for the journalists that Trump kicked out in the past.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:26
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SedanChair posted:Percent of what? Crime Points
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Nov 22, 2015 21:27
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SedanChair posted:Percent of what? 81% of all whites are at one point killed by blacks. Even if you didn't know that in your head you probably knew it in your gut.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:28
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Modus Pwnens posted:81% of all whites are at one point killed by blacks. Even if you didn't know that in your head you probably knew it in your gut. I was killed by blacks just the other day, for instance.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:29
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"In America, we know giving 110% isn't enough these days. That's why we give 200% in everything. Even murder rates"
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Nov 22, 2015 21:31
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Dapper_Swindler posted:oooh he is going the racial realist rout. seems like he is trying to collect all the bigots. 
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Nov 22, 2015 21:31
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They couldn't even go the easy route and just stick in random murder counts to make the same point. They went full dumbass and put in random percentages that don't add up or make sense, and they cite a completely nonexistent entity. They really don't think much of the intelligence of their own base, do they?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:They couldn't even go the easy route and just stick in random murder counts to make the same point. They went full dumbass and put in random percentages that don't add up or make sense, and they cite a completely nonexistent entity. Those percentages add up once you realize what it's trying to say: its the percent of that race killed by that group. You'd expect them to add to 200% (100% for whites, 100% for blacks). Its dumb as hell, but that's not why.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:40
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To be fair, how many people really know where 'spade a spade' comes from anymore?
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evilweasel posted:Those percentages add up once you realize what it's trying to say: its the percent of that race killed by that group. You'd expect them to add to 200% (100% for whites, 100% for blacks). Its dumb as hell, but that's not why. I still don't get it. 81% of whites killed are not killed by blacks.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:45
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fknlo posted:I still don't get it. 81% of whites killed are not killed by blacks. Just read The Bell Curve and you'll understand, jeez.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:47
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Yo, it's blacks killed by xxxx as a percentage of all blacks murdered, same for whites. That's why it adds up to 200%, is 2 data sets on one graphic. Who knows I'd it's true though, and its definitely but normalized by population percentage. E: beaten by evilweasel
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Nov 22, 2015 21:48
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pathetic little tramp posted:To be fair, how many people really know where 'spade a spade' comes from anymore? Wait is that phrase secretly racist?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:They really don't think much of the intelligence of their own base, do they? They're not wrong.
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fknlo posted:I still don't get it. 81% of whites killed are not killed by blacks. If he makes his base think that they're dying to black gun violence it means they don't have to parse the fact that they're dying by their own hands disproportionately Random Number posted:Yo, it's blacks killed by xxxx as a percentage of all blacks murdered, same for whites. That's why it adds up to 200%, is 2 data sets on one graphic. How dare you throw dirt on the reputation of the Crime Statistics Bureau of San Francisco
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Dr Pepper posted:Wait is that phrase secretly racist? "Spade" is a racial slur against blacks, but the phrase "call a spade a spade" predates the slur.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:51
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pathetic little tramp posted:To be fair, how many people really know where 'spade a spade' comes from anymore? Nicolas Udall's 1542 translation of Erasmus' translation of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica. So probably not referring to the racial slur.
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Nov 22, 2015 21:53
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GalacticAcid posted:"Spade" is a racial slur against blacks, but the phrase "call a spade a spade" predates the slur. Significantly. In fact, fewer people probably even know a spade is even a slur (I didn't). Pathetic little tramp is probably just being  and thinks it originated as a slur
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Dr Pepper posted:Wait is that phrase secretly racist? Depends on how you look at it. The phrase "call a spade a spade" was a mistranslation from an old Greek phrase, but specifically "spade" became a coded term for a black person in the 1920s. efb
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Naet posted:He openly politicized a terrorist attack, said it was good for the U.S., and admitted he will use it as campaign fodder ("not just for political advantage"). This should destroy Rubio, and yet it won't. Why is that? Do we truly live in a political climate where candidates can express openly the most heinous poo poo knowing that they can't actually be criticized? The reason things got like this is that there is no alternative to Fox News to frame these kinds of insane things like they do. Our "leftist" media is so desperate to see both sides of the story that they have no actual opinions and promote no actual progressive agendas
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Lotka Volterra posted:Even giving the whole "twisting statistics to fit a narrative" angle, this isn't even true. The majority of white people are killed by white people, not black people. Yeah, pretty sure they flipped the numbers: code:Unless there's a special San Fran bureau that I can't find. Mo_Steel fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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Rexicon1 posted:The reason things got like this is that there is no alternative to Fox News to frame these kinds of insane things like they do. Our "leftist" media is so desperate to see both sides of the story that they have no actual opinions and promote no actual progressive agendas To be clear, you're advocating for partisan media... The problem seems to be ratings/profit driven media rather than partisan media (which has always loving existed)
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Nov 22, 2015 21:57
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the_paradigm_shift posted:That was specifically about refugees crossing state lines and settling there. Evil Fluffy posted:Nobody said governors wouldn't ignore reality and no, he doesn't have (legal) authority to blackmail groups that use federal funds like that. If he follows through and fucks with their ability to operate he's going to get taken to Federal court and he's going to lose. No. The claim was specifically about federal placement of refugees to specific states. There's a lot of revisionism and backtracking going on here. Do you need me to go back and quote post by post just to prove this (minor) point? Dapper_Swindler posted:gently caress man, trump is legit sounding like a fascist now. Trump is the embodiment of the far right clamoring to unleash the Id and to just say/do what's secretly on their minds already, namely: "murder and crush the non-white upstarts" (insert your own vulgar ethnic slur) AKA "I wish those black/brown/poor people would just go away and die, it's annoying to hear/see them." Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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Nov 22, 2015 21:58
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Boon posted:To be clear, you're advocating for partisan media... I prefer actual unbiased, independent media but that's null now that right wing media has obliterated our understanding of media as a whole. If this is the way it's going to be then we need people who will spend an entire show describing how much of a piece of poo poo trump is. The best we ever had as an alternative to it was the daily show.
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People thinking "call a spade a spade" is racist is at least not as weird as when people started thinking "picnic" was.
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Nov 22, 2015 22:09
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Rexicon1 posted:I prefer actual unbiased, independent media but that's null now that right wing media has obliterated our understanding of media as a whole. It has literally always been this way in one form or another... You're being ridiculous pretending this is something new just because the 24/7 media cycle became a thing.
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Nov 22, 2015 22:14
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evilweasel posted:Those percentages add up once you realize what it's trying to say: its the percent of that race killed by that group. You'd expect them to add to 200% (100% for whites, 100% for blacks). Its dumb as hell, but that's not why. Yeah, I realized that as soon as I hit post. Still, the "whites killed by blacks" stat is likely flipped, there isn't a SF crime bureau that I'm aware of that does national statistics, and we're just now arguing that keeping stats on police shootings is a thing that needs to be done.
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Nov 22, 2015 22:16
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Yeah, I realized that as soon as I hit post. Still, the "whites killed by blacks" stat is likely flipped, there isn't a SF crime bureau that I'm aware of that does national statistics, and we're just now arguing that keeping stats on police shootings is a thing that needs to be done. A meme creator made up poo poo to fit a racist narrative for their echo chamber? Well I'll say!
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Nov 22, 2015 22:24
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Boon posted:To be clear, you're advocating for partisan media... There's nothing wrong with partisan media as long as they tell the truth. No one will deny that Rachel Maddow is a huge liberal, but if what she says is true who cares?
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Mr Jaunts posted:Depends on how you look at it. The phrase "call a spade a spade" was a mistranslation from an old Greek phrase, but specifically "spade" became a coded term for a black person in the 1920s. I remember when I first realised that the poker game Chicago gave half the pot to the highest spade in the hole and went "ohhhhh."
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Fried Chicken posted:Get ready to change the thread title again Is there a single republican candidate that hasn't lost their mind? I'm used to them being lovely people, but I feel like this election is going even crazier than usual when it comes to this stuff.
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Nov 22, 2015 22:33
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Mulva posted:There's nothing wrong with partisan media as long as they tell the truth. No one will deny that Rachel Maddow is a huge liberal, but if what she says is true who cares? Yeah a good point
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Internet Kraken posted:Is there a single republican candidate that hasn't lost their mind? I'm used to them being lovely people, but I feel like this election is going even crazier than usual when it comes to this stuff. We rate this as mostly true since there is no need for the word "candidate" to be used in this statement.
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Internet Kraken posted:Is there a single republican candidate that hasn't lost their mind? I'm used to them being lovely people, but I feel like this election is going even crazier than usual when it comes to this stuff. That depends, does Former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore still technically being a candidate despite having literally 0 supporters count as losing ones mind? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRWAQ255qhs
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Tiler Kiwi posted:People thinking "call a spade a spade" is racist is at least not as weird as when people started thinking "picnic" was. I'm almost afraid to know what the story behind this is
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Nov 22, 2015 22:40
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Dr. Tough posted:I'm almost afraid to know what the story behind this is http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.asp
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Mulva posted:There's nothing wrong with partisan media as long as they tell the truth. No one will deny that Rachel Maddow is a huge liberal, but if what she says is true who cares? There's telling the truth and then there's not reporting on things that should be reported on or using certain kinds of framing. It's tempting to boil it down to "the truth" but it doesn't translate into a functional fifth estate.
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