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adhuin posted:Everyone can see Avengers powers. They're fantastic powers, but also physical and easy to understand. I really dug the "confession" scene (sorry, can't remember the specific episode) where Kilgrave tells his mother to pick up the scissors, Jessica excitedly says,"That's it, that's proof!" and Clemons replies,"....what proof?" because just picking up a pair of scissors when asked does not immediately scream,"MIND CONTROL!" to people Of course, things quickly escalate from there, but the point is unless he's doing something showy with his powers in public (which he rarely did) they're extremely easy to hide/go unnoticed.
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1x13tetrapyloctomy posted:Or she could have just told Kilgrave during his brief flirtation with heroism, "YES, your actions CAN wipe out old debts! Let's go tell the DA to drop all charges!" and then put fifteen bullets in his skull. But saving Hope wasn't about saving Hope, it was about saving Jessica. Jessica only superficially cares about Hope and whether she ends up in jail or not - what she really wants is for Hope to be redeemed and forgiven in the eyes of society, so that Jessica can also be forgiven, and so that she can forgive herself. Just busting Hope out of jail somehow (including the way Hope eventually got released) doesn't actually achieve what Jessica wants at all. Neither does killing Kilgrave. PantsBandit posted:I'm about halfway through the season now. It's mostly been pretty great, though the episode where she thought she was going to go to supermax was way cheesy for some reason This was my biggest problem with the fight scenes. Not just were they  , they did a really awful job of showing Jessica as having any kind of heightened strength or other abilities, especially early on. Later they got a bit better with it, but not much.Well, that and the really really obviously ADR'd in dialogue was super grating and the super jumps looked stupid as hell almost every single time. God, that dubbed in stuff was maybe the most annoying part of the show for me. XboxPants fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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zoux posted:This post is a good demonstration about how you should never be allowed to criticize someone else's writing. He's 100% right. Or is this something else where you need photographic evidence first
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Nov 22, 2015 22:10
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Drifter posted:One has karate action scenes, the other has untrained bar-fight flailing action scenes. Old post, but I caught that early on. I thought it worked well with the characters. They got superstrength/invulnerability/healing or whatever, and have leaned on that ever since. And never having been truly tested, they just go with what works.
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Toxxupation posted:In the history of the moving picture never before and never will there ever be a line of dialog as loving terrible as "You let me be (pause for emphasis)....inside you" Jeremy Clarkson plays the best Luke Cage.........in the world.
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Crow_Robot posted:Finale spoilers: Finale spoiler: It was shown that she could hear him through the headphones, but I think the mind control failed, because Kilgrave kept saying 'Jessica Jones, do X', and it wasn't Jessica Jones. The headphones was probably a ploy to make Kilgrave think that it was some kind of countermeasure.
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Nov 22, 2015 22:34
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I wouldn't have bought the mind control thing if I was a cop/judge/juror or whatever here. Just because one weird thing exists doesn't mean all weird things exist and I don't think the Loki thing was very widely publicized.
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Nov 22, 2015 22:36
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The Sharmat posted:I wouldn't have bought the mind control thing if I was a cop/judge/juror or whatever here. Just because one weird thing exists doesn't mean all weird things exist and I don't think the Loki thing was very widely publicized. I know that there's been a lot of logistical issues preventing crossing over xmen and the rest of the marvel universe. That said, wouldn't the average person in the Marvel Universe know about Professor X at the very least?
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The Sharmat posted:I wouldn't have bought the mind control thing if I was a cop/judge/juror or whatever here. Just because one weird thing exists doesn't mean all weird things exist and I don't think the Loki thing was very widely publicized. Yes, there's that scene early on where people come out of the woodwork to talk about Kilgrave encounters and most of them are either people looking for excuses or who are clearly mentally ill themselves, and it's only because Jessica has firsthand knowledge of him that she is able to pick out the genuine victims - to anybody else, they're ALL just a bunch of nutcases or opportunists.
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PantsBandit posted:I know that there's been a lot of logistical issues preventing crossing over xmen and the rest of the marvel universe. That said, wouldn't the average person in the Marvel Universe know about Professor X at the very least? No because Professor X literally does not exist in the MCU. Jerusalem posted:Yes, there's that scene early on where people come out of the woodwork to talk about Kilgrave encounters and most of them are either people looking for excuses or who are clearly mentally ill themselves, and it's only because Jessica has firsthand knowledge of him that she is able to pick out the genuine victims - to anybody else, they're ALL just a bunch of nutcases or opportunists. Which is of course in support of the whole surviving rape thing. Rape being a crime that's very difficult to conclusively prove happened and all.
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Regarding people who met Kilgrave, the actors playing people who weren't lying were surprisingly good at appearing broken and despondent, utterly shaken at how easily he brushed their will aside and used them. I also liked the scene because it demonstrated how Kilgrave really is that child to whom no one ever could say no. He likes your coat, or your smile, or your music? It's his. Period. And he'll never know why that's not the right thing to do. After all, he just wants some music and a pretty face to go with it.
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Nov 22, 2015 22:47
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Even in his very last scene he never admitted to raping or hurting anyone. When he's going to abduct Trish he still qualifies it with "From your perspective, I'll be raping her".
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Nov 22, 2015 22:51
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Wondering if anything will come of (1x13)Claire now having a syringe full of Luke's brain juice.
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Nov 22, 2015 23:07
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demota posted:Wondering if anything will come of (1x13)Claire now having a syringe full of Luke's brain juice. This was a really bad show for needlephobes.
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Nov 22, 2015 23:11
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I don't think there's anything special about 1x13 Luke's cerebrospinal fluid. I guess there's some DNA in it but I get the idea that's probably being kept somewhere already..
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I'm still not exactly clear how 1x13 Luke became injured? I mean I know he took a shotgun blast to the face or chin rather, but he survived a building exploding. It just seemed rather convenient.
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Nov 22, 2015 23:20
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Hollismason posted:I'm still not exactly clear how 1x13 Luke became injured? I mean I know he took a shotgun blast to the face or chin rather, but he survived a building exploding. It just seemed rather convenient. Blunt force trauma. His skin is indestructible but the rest of him isn't. On the outside he was completely unscathed but the force of the gun still transferred through his tissues and hosed up his brain. I thought that was actually cool and clever.
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The Sharmat posted:Blunt force trauma. His skin is indestructible but the rest of him isn't. On the outside he was completely unscathed but the force of the gun still transferred through his tissues and hosed up his brain. I thought that was actually cool and clever. Thank you! I knew it was something simple I was missing!
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Obviously he needed to be stopped but I'm not sure he did much of anything that was illegal enough to put him away for life. All he did was tell people to do things, and like he argued himself, how do you know whether people are doing it of their own volition or that they had no agency I mean I suppose the threats, blackmail, and being an accessory to a million murders is still there but let's say his powers stop working one day and he gets arrested for the events in Jessica Jones. What happens next?
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The Sharmat posted:I wouldn't have bought the mind control thing if I was a cop/judge/juror or whatever here. Just because one weird thing exists doesn't mean all weird things exist and I don't think the Loki thing was very widely publicized. An MCU Law & Order would probably be good for a bit. At least until the ADA gets fired and asks if it's because she's a mutant despite it never being mentioned before. I'd assume they'd develop a special unit to investigate any crimes dealing with super powers. Of course the problem is that the police and prosecutor are always going to be on the side of calling bullshit, so you're going to get a lot of people faking mind control and making false astral projection claims, giving the audience a skewed view of superhuman victims. Hollismason posted:I'm still not exactly clear how 1x13 Luke became injured? I mean I know he took a shotgun blast to the face or chin rather, but he survived a building exploding. It just seemed rather convenient. 1X13 Killgrave had Luke more or less fire bomb his bar. Which made one of those super pretty Hollywood explosions that aren't as powerful as they look. Likely he was somewhat protected from the full blast by bar furniture and distance from the actual explosion point. Conversely Jessica pulled the trigger to a shotgun with it's barrel sitting on Luke's chin. Instead of a simple concussive blast radiating from the point of explosion, he got hit with a metal projectile riding the explosion of essentially a shaped charge. Plus the bar explosion would hit his full body instead of being concentrated down to a small point on his chin. Even then, he staggered out of the bar explosion and fell to the ground. Considering that he has way higher durability than Jessica and she was essentially OK just 20 or so feet away, the explosion was enough to really hurt Cage but not significantly harm him. The explosion was like being in a side collision in a car with full airbags and a seat belt at 30mph while the shotgun blast was like getting a sucker punch uppercut by an angry Mike Tyson in his prime. Both will gently caress you up, but for a guy with unbreakable skin the Mike Tyson punch is going to do more damage.
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Superstring posted:You know how there's a subset of people who want their superhero/comic stuff dark and gritty? I like to imagine the producers of the show reading and hearing about that and going, "gently caress YO poo poo! We'll show you how dark and gritty poo poo can get." *finger on neckbeard's monkey's paw curls"
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Ravel posted:Obviously he needed to be stopped but I'm not sure he did much of anything that was illegal enough to put him away for life. All he did was tell people to do things, and like he argued himself, how do you know whether people are doing it of their own volition or that they had no agency 1X13 The plan was to prove Killgrave's powers and then use that proof to back the charges of all the rape, theft, murder, arson, child endangerment, kidnapping, breaking and entering, assault, etc. victims they could find. Hope and Jessica alone would probably be several dozen or so rape and sexual assault, a couple kidnapping, several assault, several battery, and 3 murder charges. It was a plan with a lot of holes in it being devised for purposes of vindication and revenge. Show the world that Killgrave is the one responsible for all of this horror and finally everyone can move on and be made whole. The one guy gets his kid back, Jessica and Hope are exonerated of murder, and everyone understands that they aren't crazy and that they didn't want to do those things. They were forced to do those things, and that acknowledgement will lessen the pain and make them able to sleep at night. Except that guy who lost his coat, don't think he's ever going to get his coat back. Poor guy.
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The pacing of this show is kinda weird. I liked the front half of the season more. I would've liked if they'd had more episodes where Jessica does actual, ya know, PI work? But most of the time it's just Kilgrave is captured, escapes, gets captured again, etc The first real confrontation with Kilgrave should've come way later in the season imo.
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I think the series could have been an entire episode shorter honestly.Ravel posted:Obviously he needed to be stopped but I'm not sure he did much of anything that was illegal enough to put him away for life. All he did was tell people to do things, and like he argued himself, how do you know whether people are doing it of their own volition or that they had no agency They actually set up a supervillain that could only logically be dealt with by killing him. and then killed him. It's weird that this is a novelty to me but that's comic book adaptations for you.
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The Sharmat posted:I think the series could have been an entire episode shorter honestly. Probably could have done it in 10 or 11.
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1x08 There was a small moment I really loved with the servants where, when Jessica and Kilgrave return to the house, they immediately breathe a sigh of relief that they don't have to skin each other's faces. And then Kilgrave opens his mouth and they're immediately horrified and despondent again that Kilgrave is back in the house. It happened within a split second but it was just a really cool bit of acting.
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Gyges posted:Probably could have done it in 10 or 11. Yeah probably. And again while I liked the highs better than Daredevil's highs, I can't remember anything outright stupid in Daredevil like 1x11 the support group just suddenly deciding to assault Jessica at the behest of crazy lady and accidentally free Kilgrave
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Season spoilers I liked the part where Malcolm said that Kilgrave's powers weren't magic because elves don't exist, when in Thor 2 we learn that they are unfortunately very real.
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The Sharmat posted:Yeah probably. And again while I liked the highs better than Daredevil's highs, I can't remember anything outright stupid in Daredevil like 1x11 the support group just suddenly deciding to assault Jessica at the behest of crazy lady and accidentally free Kilgrave Yeah that was honestly loving stupid. Since when does "confront" mean "bash open the door and throw against a wall"? They went from 0-100 real drat quick.
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That guy loved that jacket Kilgrave stole from him in a way we may never be able to truly appreciate.
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I really really really craved the death of the girl from the Amazing Incest Twins (because holy poo poo did they do everything but come out and say it) and I'm very sad she didn't get axed. You had one loving job, Kilgrave.  Anyway here's a fun idea for those of you who aren't finished yet: The Jessica Jones drinking game!
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Serf posted:Season spoilers Except those are Dark Elves. We have no proof Regular/Light elves exist.
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I'm on E5 and having a great time. The show's emotional heaviness makes it distinctly different from other Marvel shows and movies.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Regarding attempts to disable/neutralize Kilgrave, it annoys me that they clearly didn't even Google sufentanil. Not only is it just a strong loving narcotic, but there literally is an oral formulation. They at least could have gone with a dissociative agent like ketamine or something to eplain why they needed to break into a hospital, but as written they would have gotten the same effect by shooting him up with heroin. Which in a way would be funny, since once he was addicted he would probably just use Malcolm to keep getting him more heroin and wouldn't care about Jessica. Problem solved!
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XboxPants posted:1x13 1x13 Her name is freaking Hope, they weren't being subtle about it at all.
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AtraMorS posted:Wasn't there a tiny bit in Agents of Shield's first season that talked about how, aside from Loki's staff, they've never, ever recorded any instance of true telepathy or mind control in humans? I don't remember the context, but I remember Coulson being very adamant about it. Like, they've run into it before, but up until the Scarlet Witch, it's all been Asgardian or otherwise alien in nature.  It was such a bad line. Not in the "You let me..........inside you" kind of bad, but bad in the way that AoS had such stuffy lifeless worldbuilding during that first season. No one at Marvel should have okayed the idea of their secret paranormal spy agency denying the possibility of mind control. What's hilarious is that Agent Carter -- which was supposed to be set decades before Agents of SHIELD -- would go on to showcase mind control as a major plot point a year later. e: And then it was revealed on AoS itself that Agent May's backstory specifically involved a mind-controlling superhuman! Which Coulson was present for! So the two exact characters on the show who scoffed at the idea of mind-control were the two characters who had actual experience with it! BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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Kheldarn posted:Except those are Dark Elves. We have no proof Regular/Light elves exist. Would anyone on Earth who's not in SHIELD or the British military know what exactly those were? I always figured the London attack was deemed another alien attack by most people on Earth.
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BrianWilly posted:What's hilarious is that Agent Carter -- which was supposed to be set decades before Agents of SHIELD -- would go on to showcase mind control as a major plot point a year later. Nah, that was hypnosis. It's a scientific thing, completely different than just saying something and they do it. You'll probably see that if you think about it. You just need to focus. Concentrate. Listen to the sound of my posts. Buy me archives. It will help you figure out the difference between hypnotism and mind control, but I need you to focus.
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