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computer parts posted:Which elections have been "foreign policy focused"? 1860, but just for the south.
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computer parts posted:Which elections have been "foreign policy focused"? 2004 was pretty foreign policy focused.
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fishmech posted:Also sorry, I don't give a poo poo about people being allowed to have guns. It's wrong, in general. Sure, might as well start restricting access by throwing due process out the window. Nothing bad can come of it, no precedents can be set.
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Mr Hootington posted:Nah. Don't ruin your family's racist hugbox. The family members I'm eating with are about as left-wing as I am so it really ends up being an anti-racist hug box, but I know most other people aren't that lucky.
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computer parts posted:Which elections have been "foreign policy focused"? There is a foreign policy focus in the elections. For some people, the foreign policy focus is easy to see. Others don't see it at all. Some people say the foreign policy focus is tame. Others say it's vicious and dangerous. Since no one can really be sure who's right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the foreign policy focus? If there is a foreign policy focus....
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computer parts posted:Which elections have been "foreign policy focused"? 1952 elections
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SedanChair posted:Sure, might as well start restricting access by throwing due process out the window. Nothing bad can come of it, no precedents can be set. When someone kills someone through not quartering a troop at them, or refusing to self-incriminate at them, or delegating rights to the states not delegated to the federal government at them, I'll worry.
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Also the second to last of FDR's re-election campaigns e: wrong one Dead Cosmonaut fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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We already had the racist hugbox, at my kids (4 and 8) birthday party of all places. Started with my father in law asking my father if they still had my mom's parents (who he mistakenly thinks are both dead, instead of just my grandfather) things, and if those things included some sort of copper something or other with a Reichsadler engraved on it that was in the china cabinet that my grandparents brought over after WWII. Uncomfortable silence #1. It ended with my father in law tapping my father in the leg and asking what he thought about Donald Trump, and my dad pointedly telling him that it didn't matter, since noone was going to beat Hillary, and then avoiding my father in law for the rest of the party.
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Got another mass shooting, two gunmen open fire into a crowd of hundreds in New Orleans at... Bunny Friend Park.
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fishmech posted:When someone kills someone through not quartering a troop at them, or refusing to self-incriminate at them, or delegating rights to the states not delegated to the federal government at them, I'll worry. Like the right to remain silent hasn't gotten tons of murderers, etc. off the hook. Get real. Are there progressives in this thread seriously arguing any effort revolving around the no-fly list should involve anything besides demanding its immediate non-existence?
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Ballz posted:Got another mass shooting, two gunmen open fire into a crowd of hundreds in New Orleans at... Bunny Friend Park. Bunny Friend is the name of a deceased teen.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Like the right to remain silent hasn't gotten tons of murderers, etc. off the hook. Get real. Fun note that Nelson Mandela was on that poo poo until he died. List is bullshit like I'm sure there are actually threats on there but those are probably already tracked by other organizations Progressive doesn't not mean left, it's just means an improvement over the status quo it doesn't surprise me and it shouldn't surprise you, the left in America is comical. SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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Nov 23, 2015 03:45
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fishmech posted:When someone kills someone through not quartering a troop at them, or refusing to self-incriminate at them, or delegating rights to the states not delegated to the federal government at them, I'll worry. Well, we've killed a several people by torturing them to death after imprisoning them without trial, so yeah, that's a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gul_Rahman https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-prosecutor-probes-deaths-of-2-cia-held-detainees/2011/06/30/AGsFmUsH_story.html
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SirKibbles posted:Fun note that Nelson Mandela was on that poo poo until he died. List is bullshit like I'm sure there are actually threats on there but those are probably already tracked by other organizations Yeah, like fishmech's point about suspected terrorists on the no-fly list probably being on another list entirely if they've been convicted other crimes is entirely on-point actually. Which begs the question of you'd need the no-fly list to cross-reference to gun purchases at all then since the FBI maintains a list of prohibited possessors anyway. Of course, the NICS check for gun purchases requires you to have actually been convicted by a jury of your peers for your own actions though. Not fitting some mystery profile known to a handful of people. So with that annoying hold-up for a chance to defend your name NICS is probably not "responsive" enough to satisfy real Americans like fishmech and/or Dick Cheney. quote:Progressive doesn't not mean left, it's just means an improvement over the status quo it doesn't surprise me and it shouldn't surprise you, the left in America is comical. Definitely. I certainly don't mean to imply that everyone (or a majority) of posters in this thread would be in favor of this bill.
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fishmech posted:When someone kills someone through not quartering a troop at them, or refusing to self-incriminate at them, or delegating rights to the states not delegated to the federal government at them, I'll worry. No let's go with this. Lets deprive minorities of gun rights as well, right? Out of hand. It's not like it's a useful right, so they shouldn't mind.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Well, we've killed a several people by torturing them to death after imprisoning them without trial, so yeah, that's a thing. We've killed far more by torturing them to death with imprisonment after trial, so this ain't compelling, Jack! DeusExMachinima posted:Yeah, like fishmech's point about suspected terrorists on the no-fly list probably being on another list entirely if they've been convicted other crimes is entirely on-point actually. Which begs the question of you'd need the no-fly list to cross-reference to gun purchases at all then since the FBI maintains a list of prohibited possessors anyway. The proposal is not the no-fly list. It's the terrorist watch list which has some overlap with the no-fly list but not total overlap, and mostly includes foreign nationals who've never entered the US since they've been on there - again, 98% foreign nationals. SedanChair posted:No let's go with this. Lets deprive minorities of gun rights as well, right? Out of hand. It's not like it's a useful right, so they shouldn't mind. First off, guns aren't a right, they're a privilege. Secondly, minorities are the most in favor of restricted gun privileges and also least likely to buy guns.Third, everyone should be denied guns without being able to articulate a drat good reason beyond "i'm worried the blacks will shoot me" (the most common reason given for owning a gun). fishmech fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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Fishmech I get that guns are dumb but dispensing with Equality Before the Law (even for the 2% of the terrorist watch list that are American) doesn't just lend itself to a slippery slope argument, it IS the slippery slope.
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fishmech posted:The proposal is not the no-fly list. It's the terrorist watch list which has some overlap with the no-fly list but not total overlap, and mostly includes foreign nationals who've never entered the US since they've been on there - again, 98% foreign nationals. I stand corrected. IIRC a previous similar bill specified the no-fly list but it's really academic. If the list can be applied to you without your publicly recorded day in court, it ought to be limited to internal agency use. quote:First off, guns aren't a right, they're a privilege. Secondly, minorities are the most in favor of restricted gun privileges and also least likely to buy guns.Third, everyone should be denied guns without being able to articulate a drat good reason beyond "i'm worried the blacks will shoot me" (the most common reason given for owning a gun). Good news then! You don't have to give a drat about the Second Amendment here, just the Fourth.
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GalacticAcid posted:Fishmech I get that guns are dumb but dispensing with Equality Before the Law (even for the 2% of the terrorist watch list that are American) doesn't just lend itself to a slippery slope argument, it IS the slippery slope. Slippery slope implies something bad. DeusExMachinima posted:I stand corrected. IIRC a previous similar bill specified the no-fly list but it's really academic. If the list can be applied to you without your publicly recorded day in court, it ought to severely restricted in its legal powers. Good news! I don't have to give a poo poo about the 2nd amendment, and therefore the 4th doesn't even come into it. The 4th would only matter if the 2nd did. So long as rights to use most forms of weapons are more restricted then guns, the whole defense of the 2nd isn't even intellectually honest. Take switchblades for example, there's no way to argue they aren't arms and they're more heavily restricted than nearly all guns. fishmech fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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fishmech posted:Slippery slope implies something bad. Whoops. The due process clause is in the Fifth and it actually does apply whether or not the forbidden activity you've been accused of is an enumerated right, sorry. And I would agree switchblade bans are dumb soccer mom poo poo after people saw Rebel without a Cause. They are legal again in a large minority of states including mine. DeusExMachinima fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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fishmech posted:Take switchblades for example, there's no way to argue they aren't arms and they're more heavily restricted than nearly all guns.  "What, you've still got two of 'em attached to you buddy, I don't know what you're complaining about"
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Personally I think we need more lists, especially ones that include rich people. In fact I'm pretty sure America's moral decay is rooted in its inability to list things. For example, why are foreign nationals a threat to America? List three reasons 
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RuanGacho posted:Personally I think we need more lists, especially ones that include rich people. Only if that rich person list says "Menu" on top.
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There's no point checking no-fly lists, terrorist lists, or whatever when someone can avoid the background check entirely just by going to a gun show.
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size1one posted:There's no point checking no-fly lists, terrorist lists, or whatever when someone can avoid the background check entirely just by going to a gun show. No you see people need to pass a background check to go to a gunshow my closet libertarian thread insisted its so right after he double checked I hadn't been to one first. DemeaninDemon posted:Only if that rich person list says "Menu" on top. We need to know where they are and what they've done for appropriately ironic punishments.
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So hey, you know that part in Bioshock 3, where they substitute Founding Fathers into religious tableaus and iconography? And how this is used as a stark way of pointing out that the group has adopted a similar form of Franco's Christian Fascism, marrying nativism, national mythos, and fundamentalist christianity into an authoritarian power system? And how the whole thing is meant as an over the top satire of veneration of historical figures and a criticism of such authoritarian tendencies? Guess what Indiana is no poo poo for real completely unironically doing? Like I'm not even particularly religious, and this offends me as sacrilegious.
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size1one posted:There's no point checking no-fly lists, terrorist lists, or whatever when someone can avoid the background check entirely just by going to a gun show. Ehhh, it only sortof works like that. Most vendors -- i.e., anyone with an actual stall -- at gun shows also have to do the background checks. The only people who don't are the ones who don't have a stall
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Fried Chicken posted:So hey, you know that part in Bioshock 3, where they substitute Founding Fathers into religious tableaus and iconography? And how this is used as a stark way of pointing out that the group has adopted a similar form of Franco's Christian Fascism, marrying nativism, national mythos, and fundamentalist christianity into an authoritarian power system? And how the whole thing is meant as an over the top satire of veneration of historical figures and a criticism of such authoritarian tendencies? Nothing too offensive about that, just a pretty mild test from the FFRF that Franklin County passed. No, the best murals in Indiana have always been from P&R, each of which almost certainly exists in spirit somewhere in this state.
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Internet Kraken posted:Is there a single republican candidate that hasn't lost their mind? I'm used to them being lovely people, but I feel like this election is going even crazier than usual when it comes to this stuff. that which is dead can never die
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Grouchio posted:Every 6 hours I come here there's a new tag and title! Sorry, politicians keep saying stupid poo poo.
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Epic High Five posted:Nothing too offensive about that, just a pretty mild test from the FFRF that Franklin County passed. i am sorry, but those are amusing insane. i like them somehow. Edit. its from a show. I am dumb.
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DeusExMachinima posted:
DeusExMachinima posted:I stand corrected. IIRC a previous similar bill specified the no-fly list but it's really academic. If the list can be applied to you without your publicly recorded day in court, it ought to be limited to internal agency use. Yeah, it doesn't really matter which list we're talking about. If you don't get due process, it's not a valid way to restrict rights. I think it's telling that Fishmech keeps referencing "98% foreign nationals" as if that means the 14,000 American citizens on it are somehow irrelevant.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am sorry, but those are amusing insane. i like them somehow. They're an extremely accurate, pointed satire on small town midwestern history so feel free to enjoy them :P
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am sorry, but those are amusing insane. i like them somehow. Live in Indiana for a while and you will come to find exactly how accurate that show is. It is very easy to do a 1 to 1 map of things they mocked there, and things people in Indiana really do.
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Grouchio posted:Every 6 hours I come here there's a new tag and title! maybe you should stop posting
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, it doesn't really matter which list we're talking about. If you don't get due process, it's not a valid way to restrict rights. No American citizens have an actual right to own guns, so 14,000 of them not being able to buy new ones is in fact irrelevant.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ehhh, it only sortof works like that. Most vendors -- i.e., anyone with an actual stall -- at gun shows also have to do the background checks. The only people who don't are the ones who don't have a stall You're right, but there's still enough private sellers that you're not prevented from buying firearms in any practical sense. You can also find a private seller on one of numerous online classified sites. You're not even limited in terms of choice of weapon. Here's 200+ AR15s and AK47s available from private sellers, and that's just virginia
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