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JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

OhDearGodNo posted:

MOBAs are the new WWII FPSs

You take that back! I want a new CoD2 or at the very least World at War.

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spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
WW2 FPSes? Oh, you mean near-future FPSes! :v:

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

ineptmule posted:

Anybody had any experience house ruling more of a post-battle economy activity for Mordheim? My opponent today and I were musing on how there's not really a lot of stuff to buy and it would be cool if there was more to spend your money on. One thing I was thinking about would be bases like in Frostgrave. Obviously you'd need to come up with thematically appropriate ones for all the different factions, but it would be cool to have a warehouse or tavern or something that you could buy upgrades for.

I know this is a bit old, but there are some Encampments rules that have been published on the Specialist Games Fanatic Magazine. They can be found here (just look for Encampments, part 1 & 2): http://www.specialist-arms.com/fanatic/

The ws owner claims that the author granted permission to publish these ("I have been given special permission by Andy Hall to host all content that first appeared in Specialist Games Fanatic Magazine that has not already been transferred over to the main Games Workshop site."), so it shouldn't be :filez: but let me know if you think there's something shady going on.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

That Italian Guy posted:

I know this is a bit old, but there are some Encampments rules that have been published on the Specialist Games Fanatic Magazine. They can be found here (just look for Encampments, part 1 & 2): http://www.specialist-arms.com/fanatic/

The ws owner claims that the author granted permission to publish these ("I have been given special permission by Andy Hall to host all content that first appeared in Specialist Games Fanatic Magazine that has not already been transferred over to the main Games Workshop site."), so it shouldn't be :filez: but let me know if you think there's something shady going on.

And in any case, Yak Tribe probably has it, too.

EDIT: Oh gently caress you, now I want Epic Sevlar chemdogs and Necromunda with found vehicles and and and gently caress youuuuuu

JcDent fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Nov 23, 2015

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.
Yeah that's probably true :)

Also, I think there's a third part called Brigandsburg (that's supposed to be the "morally gray" encampment setting).

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



JcDent posted:

Necromunda with found vehicles

Isn't this pretty much just Gorkamorka?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Yea, I think the GM and Necromunda rules are close enough that you can basically just use the vehicle rules without much worry or change. I seem to recall doing that years ago when someone wanted to make a NM biker gang and it worked alright in theory (in practice it is kind of weird because NM relies on extremely dense multi-level terrain where vehicles want lots of space to move and turn, so it ends up being kind of off for one side unless you're both using vehicles)

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.
There's a huge discount on Dave Graffam's paper models right now (everything at 0.95$), in case you're interested. http://www.wargamevault.com/browse/pub/2985/Dave-Graffam-Models

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Ashcans posted:

Yea, I think the GM and Necromunda rules are close enough that you can basically just use the vehicle rules without much worry or change. I seem to recall doing that years ago when someone wanted to make a NM biker gang and it worked alright in theory (in practice it is kind of weird because NM relies on extremely dense multi-level terrain where vehicles want lots of space to move and turn, so it ends up being kind of off for one side unless you're both using vehicles)

There's Ash Wastes rules which makes NM in Gorka Morka!

Squibsy
Dec 3, 2005

Not suited, just booted.
College Slice

Ashcans posted:

Yea, I think the GM and Necromunda rules are close enough that you can basically just use the vehicle rules without much worry or change. I seem to recall doing that years ago when someone wanted to make a NM biker gang and it worked alright in theory (in practice it is kind of weird because NM relies on extremely dense multi-level terrain where vehicles want lots of space to move and turn, so it ends up being kind of off for one side unless you're both using vehicles)

GoMo-style vehicles won't last long against Necromunda-level shooting. The core rules are mechanically compatible but the abundance of high strength and long range shooting in Necro will shred gangs using GoMo vehicle rules as-is.

Not that you couldn't tweak the armour values for the vehicles, but you'd want to play test it otherwise you could easily make it under/over-costed.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

SRM posted:

That's not true at all. They don't want 1:1 translations of their games, but the Dawn of War series was hugely successful, Space Marine did pretty well, and GW had a bunch of videogames before that were set in universes of games they were still publishing - some were even pretty drat good!

Not to mention that they announced they'r looking into rebooting BFG only two months after the announcement of a new VG version.

Honestly, all they have to succeed with specialist games is a handshake agreement with their FFG partners and put out a new version of BFG compatible with Armada and release a Deff Skwadron game that's compatible with XWang.

Emperor Karl Franz
Aug 25, 2015

serious gaylord posted:

Well since they havent even begun to recruit/do anything for the specialst games department yet I find it difficult to believe that scenario that they'll use it as a cover for the amount of money AoS has lost in the past few months.

What I wouldn't give to take a look at their books and find out exactly how much they've lost as a result of AOS.

Emperor Karl Franz
Aug 25, 2015

Sydney Bottocks posted:

Does anyone seriously believe this sort of thing (namely "GW actually trying to make SG good again") is really going to happen? As opposed to GW just slapping a fresh coat of paint on the older games, jacking the prices up, blaming the revamped SG department for losing the money that AoS actually lost, and calling it a day? Because I know which possibility I would say is far more likely to happen, given GW's track record in recent years.

From what I heard, it's Forge World which is behind Specialist Games being revitalized. In which case we can likely expect it to be good.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Emperor Karl Franz posted:

What I wouldn't give to take a look at their books and find out exactly how much they've lost as a result of AOS.

Probably not too much, their stock has grown 20% since the release, there was even a slight crater when they stopped the AoS stuff and went back to 40k. Their even about 10% above prior year and that's before the boost they're going to get from B@C. AoS is definitely under performing but it doesn't seem to be hurting the company any worse than Fantasy.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
They move bugger all stock, so the price is a bit wonky at the best of times

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

we discuss GW's finances and stuff extensively in the death thread. especially the old thread.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
just saw my first externals live and boy do they have small heads.

A funny paradox: my SM and BT conversion kit left me with some leftover bits - arms, heads, chests. So i decided, what the hell, I'll get some backs, legs and backpacks to finish them. Communism provides stuff for pennies, so I had my backpacks and backs (SM backs is probably the only part that not40k makers can't reproduce without showing their hands), and then went to order Kromlech legs. And then it hit me: these legs would cost more than a FoW Team Yanke rooskie platoon and the eventual price of bits will almost reach the cost of an SM squad. And that's the thing, there's no such thing as cheap Marines, nowhere.

I'm still all pro-'gently caress GW"

Now then, I think when the first specialist game shows up, we'll be like cockroaches hiding under a cupboard that noticed a bit of cheese or something fall on the ground. One forward scout will carefully rush out, see if it's any good and scurry back, then report to others.And even if everyone ends up getting something, we'll still stay in the shadow.

GW fans are the retarded fat cat of the kitchen owner that eats anything that falls down.

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

JcDent posted:

And that's the thing, there's no such thing as cheap Marines, nowhere.
eBay, they're in fact the cheapest army you can start because there's always used or deeply discounted starter Marines available. My Crimson Fists were started when I picked up a box of 20 Marines for $8, so I stripped them and painted them up.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

SRM posted:

eBay, they're in fact the cheapest army you can start because there's always used or deeply discounted starter Marines available. My Crimson Fists were started when I picked up a box of 20 Marines for $8, so I stripped them and painted them up.

I meant more along the lines "no cheap NEW Marines". Even the guys selling notMarines *wink wink* *nudge nudge* are selling them at comparable prices.

But yeah, once I finish my train of chinese tears for these ten guys, it's all second hand for me. Have to save Marines from people who paint worse than I do!

Also, holy poo poo, 20 dudes for $8?

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~
Well yeah, if you're buying new anything, good luck getting it for more than the 20% off that Warstore gets you. If you hunt around on eBay and Bartertown and Dakka's swap shop and such you can get some great deals though. And some third party companies cost more than GW stuff does, but that's because they're essentially garage kits. I'd only get them if I liked the aesthetic better.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

SRM posted:

Well yeah, if you're buying new anything, good luck getting it for more than the 20% off that Warstore gets you. If you hunt around on eBay and Bartertown and Dakka's swap shop and such you can get some great deals though.

...and then I run into the issue of Not Being American.

You guys have it made as far as second hand poo poo goes.

nesbit37
Dec 12, 2003
Emperor of Rome
(500 BC - 500 AD)

JcDent posted:

...and then I run into the issue of Not Being American.

You guys have it made as far as second hand poo poo goes.

Depends on the game. I find it much easier to find GW LotR stuff second hand from UK sellers and at better prices than US sellers. A large amount of UK sellers don't seem to want to ship to the states either which baffles me.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

nesbit37 posted:

Depends on the game. I find it much easier to find GW LotR stuff second hand from UK sellers and at better prices than US sellers. A large amount of UK sellers don't seem to want to ship to the states either which baffles me.

Well, if it's like shipping from the states, the cost is outrageous and would make a bargain much less so.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

berzerkmonkey posted:

Well, if it's like shipping from the states, the cost is outrageous and would make a bargain much less so.

Imagine how I feel. The shittest thing is that paying 4 euros for shipping always is always at least 4th of a price since I rarely do any big purchases from single seller.

nesbit37
Dec 12, 2003
Emperor of Rome
(500 BC - 500 AD)
I usually don't mind eating that shipping for some of these things. I think that's what bugs me about of it, because when I ask the seller uses says "Its too expensive to ship." I am paying for the shipping so why do you care how much it costs? You're the only one I can find that is selling this out of print figure at all and when they do pop up on ebay they cost 3x more than you are asking for it.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Tax evasion

Doctor Borris
May 29, 2014

Sometimes Serious.
Sometimes Satirical.
Never Ever Sarcastic.
Ever.

nesbit37 posted:

I usually don't mind eating that shipping for some of these things. I think that's what bugs me about of it, because when I ask the seller uses says "Its too expensive to ship." I am paying for the shipping so why do you care how much it costs? You're the only one I can find that is selling this out of print figure at all and when they do pop up on ebay they cost 3x more than you are asking for it.

When your shipped package disappears somewhere over the ocean and there is no way to track it, that turns off a lot of overseas shipping.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Doctor Borris posted:

When your shipped package disappears somewhere over the ocean and there is no way to track it, that turns off a lot of overseas shipping.

Bingo. Then the buyer reports the seller, and not only is he out the model, he's out whatever the model sold for and the shipping cost.

nesbit37
Dec 12, 2003
Emperor of Rome
(500 BC - 500 AD)
I dunno, that's a legitimate reason but then why don't they say that? Not to mention I have gotten several international packages with tracking so it isn't like that's not an option. I mostly note it because I seem to only have this issue with UK sellers. I don't think it's ever come up buying from people in mainland Europe.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It reads better than accusing you of being a potential scammer. I've also seen "Due to unreliable international shipping..." which comes a little closer to the mark without directly pointing any fingers.

It also keeps you from putting them in a bad spot with "Of course I'm trustworthy and you should make an exception!" requests.

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.

JcDent posted:

Imagine how I feel. The shittest thing is that paying 4 euros for shipping always is always at least 4th of a price since I rarely do any big purchases from single seller.

I've just bought a bunch of fantasy stuff from an ebay store called thetrolltrader and the prices were more than allright. Got 20 second hand (but in mint condition) and partially painted clanrats for 10£ (the previous paintjob was really minimal). I'm going to use them to set up a Skaven warband for my girlfriend.

You can see their original status here:


Also, sculpting with white tack 2.0! The idea is to give this clanrat a Dracula style patchwork cape (it's going to be this warband's Assassin, that's the reason it also comes with a modded claw from Mantic's ghouls); the cape is supposed to be sewn together from 3-4 different pieces of fabric. I'm hoping that the white tack is strong enough, the sculpting not too crappy and that the super glue used to harden it won't ruin every detail on the model itself (I had to use a crapton of it, by super glue standards). I should probably just get some green stuff, but I'm trying to do something more ambitious to see where this can be pushed




Bonus Pic: the first clanrat has been painted...I decided to go with the yellow paint scheme it came with.




That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Nov 25, 2015

Ugleb
Nov 19, 2014

ASK ME ABOUT HOW SCOTLAND'S PROPOSED TRANS LEGISLATION IS DIVISIVE AS HELL BECAUSE IT IS SO SWEEPING THAT IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY ABUSED AT A TIME WHERE THE LACK OF SAFETY FOR WOMEN HAS BEEN SO GLARING
As a UK dweller who recently tried selling some old battletech books on eBay, I can tell you that it went fine until I had to deal with royal mail. Turns out I couldn't wrap my brain around their pricing (despite weighing and measuring the package beforehand) and got stung for something like £17 to send these books domestically, second class. I could not get a cheaper option out of them so ended up out of pocket. Best guess is my scales at home don't agree with theirs.

I don't want to know what they would throw at me to ship overseas!

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
Holy poo poo, seriously? I've sold a couple of box sets of old warhammer stuff and they've always been about £2.50 shipping. How big are battletech books?

enri
Dec 16, 2003

Hope you're having an amazing day

Ugleb posted:

As a UK dweller who recently tried selling some old battletech books on eBay, I can tell you that it went fine until I had to deal with royal mail. Turns out I couldn't wrap my brain around their pricing (despite weighing and measuring the package beforehand) and got stung for something like £17 to send these books domestically, second class. I could not get a cheaper option out of them so ended up out of pocket. Best guess is my scales at home don't agree with theirs.

I don't want to know what they would throw at me to ship overseas!

spectralent posted:

Holy poo poo, seriously? I've sold a couple of box sets of old warhammer stuff and they've always been about £2.50 shipping. How big are battletech books?

This is your friend: Royal Mail Pricefinder

I'm guessing the package itself would have been classified as 'small parcel' but you can't send a 'small parcel' that's over 2kg in weight, that's when it begins to get stupid expensive because it has to be a 'medium parcel'

For reference, the dropzone commander 2 player starter set just about squeezes into the 'small' category so there's a lot of wiggle room, it's the weight that'll mess you up.

I sent some Malifaux rulebooks out yesterday, combined weight came to 1.974kg... so fecking close to the 2kg limit. 2nd class 'signed for' postage cost me £3.90 - if I had another 26g on the weight of those books, the price would have gone up to £14.85 for the same service. Seems stupid, I'd have been better off taking the two books and sending them both separately.

I've been doing ebay sales with 'free postage' on the condition that it's via MyHermes, ~£5-6 for up to 5kg - Royal Mail can't hold a candle to that kind of pricing. There is the downside that MyHermes is complete poo poo and entirely reliant on how well they're set up in the area you're shipping to, some people have nothing but good experiences, others have nothing but poo poo experiences. But I give them the option of paying more for Royal Mail. It's their call, pay more for it if you want.

Thirsty Dog
May 31, 2007

I'm selling a bunch of stuff at the moment and collect+ is my go to for anything beyond large letter size.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
It's good and cool how it's sometimes cheaper to send three parcels than one.

My Hermes are the shithandlers who show up at our work at 0730, find there's nobody there, and just leave parcels on the doorstep of a multi-company building.

Ugleb
Nov 19, 2014

ASK ME ABOUT HOW SCOTLAND'S PROPOSED TRANS LEGISLATION IS DIVISIVE AS HELL BECAUSE IT IS SO SWEEPING THAT IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY ABUSED AT A TIME WHERE THE LACK OF SAFETY FOR WOMEN HAS BEEN SO GLARING

enri posted:

This is your friend: Royal Mail Pricefinder

I'm guessing the package itself would have been classified as 'small parcel' but you can't send a 'small parcel' that's over 2kg in weight, that's when it begins to get stupid expensive because it has to be a 'medium parcel'

For reference, the dropzone commander 2 player starter set just about squeezes into the 'small' category so there's a lot of wiggle room, it's the weight that'll mess you up.

I sent some Malifaux rulebooks out yesterday, combined weight came to 1.974kg... so fecking close to the 2kg limit. 2nd class 'signed for' postage cost me £3.90 - if I had another 26g on the weight of those books, the price would have gone up to £14.85 for the same service. Seems stupid, I'd have been better off taking the two books and sending them both separately.

I've been doing ebay sales with 'free postage' on the condition that it's via MyHermes, ~£5-6 for up to 5kg - Royal Mail can't hold a candle to that kind of pricing. There is the downside that MyHermes is complete poo poo and entirely reliant on how well they're set up in the area you're shipping to, some people have nothing but good experiences, others have nothing but poo poo experiences. But I give them the option of paying more for Royal Mail. It's their call, pay more for it if you want.

I think I must have just tripped over the weight limit. As I recall my little kitchen scales don't have much of a limit and topped out while the bathroom scales are hardly sensitive. I was shipping four books in one lot which was probably my undoing. Even so I really thought I was ok and my jaw hit the floor hard when they told me the price. Next time I try something like that I will probably go get them to quote me the price before I try selling the stuff.

Im thinking about stripping and selling some old gw models and ccg cards so need to sort this crap out if I actually want to make money and offer international shipping.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Ugleb posted:

I think I must have just tripped over the weight limit. As I recall my little kitchen scales don't have much of a limit and topped out while the bathroom scales are hardly sensitive. I was shipping four books in one lot which was probably my undoing. Even so I really thought I was ok and my jaw hit the floor hard when they told me the price. Next time I try something like that I will probably go get them to quote me the price before I try selling the stuff.

It probably would have been much cheaper if you'd have sent them all individually.

That Italian Guy
Jul 25, 2012

We need the equivalent of the shrimp = small pastry avatar, but for ambulances and their mysteries now.
Sculpting with White Tack: the final update!

I've finished working on the patchwork assassin and unsurprisingly White Tack is not a good material to mod with, if the mod itself is extensive. Painting a miniature coated in superglue is an exercise in frustration, and controlling superglue flow is an art that escapes me; also, while quite rigid when coated with superglue, the surface is really brittle and can crack and expose the unpainted layer...Due to superglue spillage, this poor rat's body was a flat mess, I've had to paint volumes on what was basically a 2d surface :( The funny thing is that the cape itself is not that horrible by comparison.

Anyway, here's the final result:


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dishwasherlove
Nov 26, 2007

The ultimate fusion of man and machine.

Even if the sculpt was crap your amazing paint job has brought it nicely to life. Looks great.

dishwasherlove fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Nov 26, 2015

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