Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

I'm baffled as to why people keep engaging with Fishmech.

Epic High Five posted:

Does it already get audited like multiple times per year? Is this the common GOP belief that if no wrongdoing was found, the investigation never took place?

Litany Unheard posted:

There are a number of exceptions written into law that protects information from being released/disclosed by an audit of the Federal Reserve. Here's what's currently excluded from an audit:


I suppose the argument for keeping this info privileged is that the Fed needs to do some things behind closed doors in order for their actions to be effective, or so that their actions can be done free from too much political pressure.

Fried Chicken posted:

I think that the name change got him removed from ignore lists and people weren't sure if it was him or someone grabbing the name to mock him

Toph Bei Fong posted:

For those few who were still saying that Kasich was the sane one...

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/kasich-proposes-new-government-agency-promote-judeo-christian-values-n465101

Meg From Family Guy posted:

Fishmech has done nothing wrong

Tiler Kiwi posted:

Ignore lists are for the weak.

Mitt Romney posted:

I'm not sure why people dislike Fishmech's posts. Some of the arguments can get pedantic but the majority of the time they are factually accurate and facilitate discussion, at least in the last few months.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

You may want to avoid visiting the Capitol then.

fishmech posted:

Here's a list of every citizen of the country. It's also the list of everyone who should need actual, specific reasons to have a gun, and the list of everyone who shouldn't be able to get a gun just willy nilly. And it's the list of people who it's ok to refuse to allow a gun sale to.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

I'm baffled as to why people keep engaging with Fishmech.

DeusExMachinima posted:

It doesn't matter how minor the target activity is, the problem is the fact that there's now two levels of treatment without a day in court.

fishmech posted:

You can't take away a right when it never existed. There's never been a real right to own guns, there never will be either.

quote:

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held in a 5-4 decision that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution applies to federal enclaves and protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

DeusExMachinima posted:

This is what I don't get with your disregard for the 5th Amendment/due process in re: linking gun purchases to the terrorist watchlist in the now, whatever your ultimate vision for American gun laws are.

Even if we repealed the 2nd tomorrow and instituted confiscation and Japanese-style gun control where it takes background checks, psych interviews, and years of gun club membership in good standing to get a hunting rifle, allowing a disqualifying factor to include restrictions springing from an unaccountable list creates a due process issue. It doesn't matter what the right and/or privilege you're restricting is, the 5th Amendment issue springs from the fact that you're creating a double standard of treatment without first clearing it through a jury in an open day in court.

It doesn't matter if it's guns, or if guns are a right, or if it's loving jaywalking. If Hassan can't jaywalk because he's on the "maybe a terrorist" profiling list and I can, you've created a due process issue. It doesn't matter how minor the target activity is, the problem is the fact that there's now two levels of treatment without a day in court.

JT Jag posted:

In short, he's combative, dismissive of opposing points of view, and regularly demands that people who oppose his point of view supply proof while providing none himself.

Kalman posted:

Due process does not and never has required judicial process in all cases. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. This conception that "something happened without a court therefore no due process" is, legally speaking, completely wrong.

For example: Do you think that the VA has to go to court when they want to take a veterans' benefits away? No, they just do it. There are judicial avenues for appeal (and the lack of those mechanisms for the no fly list was successfully challenged), but there's absolutely no requirement for an initial judicial determination to exist for due process to be satisfied.

DemeaninDemon posted:

Audit the Fed is the magic spell fiat money is weak against. It's in the same school of magic as gold fringe and writing your name in caps to prevent judicial power.

Litany Unheard posted:

There are a number of exceptions written into law that protects information from being released/disclosed by an audit of the Federal Reserve. Here's what's currently excluded from an audit:


I suppose the argument for keeping this info privileged is that the Fed needs to do some things behind closed doors in order for their actions to be effective, or so that their actions can be done free from too much political pressure.

Paul MaudDib posted:

The Dredd Scott decision of guns gets to stand until it's overturned, that's how court decisions work.

Shifty Pony posted:

Exactly, and the latter is the reason for the GOP being anti-fed lately.

Paulites want an open Fed audit because they genuinely believe that nefarious things are going on. The not crazy GOP folks who want one are mainly hoping to get something they can quote out of context to allow them to start investigations and eventually bring the Federal Reserve under congressional supervision. There they would have the ability to more throughly implement their godawful economic voodoo polices.

Good Citizen posted:

Gold down almost half from it's peak value over the last 5 years: Sound Money

SquadronROE posted:

Should we start taking bets on how long it is until there is an actual lynching at a Trump event?

fishmech posted:

And it will be overturned, because it's ludicrous and only happened due to a conservative majority. We'll have sane Australian-style gun control within 50 years.

Playstation 4 posted:

I'd say toxx this poo poo but you'll be dead of an aneurysm in 25.

Fried Chicken posted:

So Michelle Obama's Let's Move program has put out a report, and it is horrifying. See, as they cover in the intro, they set out to do a broad covering of food issues in America before diving into the obesity epidemic. But what they ended up finding was that food insecurity is a much more massive problem than prior reports had revealed, even in their worst projections. I guess the White House has the resources to do a better study than all the nonprofits or something. Full report isn't online yet but thy are covering the highlights at the announcement at the Bread Institute.

Here's a fun one:
In the last week if the month, ER visits for low blood sugar in low-income diabetics increases 27%. They don't have the money for food so they have complications and they don't have the money for medicine so they go to the hospital.

Have another:
SNAP restrictions push people into unhealthy food, with a noted correlation of healthy people with good habits who go on SNAP demonstrating weight gain and a corresponding increase in diabetes.

Or here:
Preliminary estimate is that complications following on from hunger and food insecurity costs us an extra $160 billion a year in health care costs. Poor nutrition leads to increased vulnerability to diseases and larger issues like, again, diabetes, which must then be treated

Fried Chicken posted:

So Michelle Obama's Let's Move program has put out a report, and it is horrifying. See, as they cover in the intro, they set out to do a broad covering of food issues in America before diving into the obesity epidemic. But what they ended up finding was that food insecurity is a much more massive problem than prior reports had revealed, even in their worst projections. I guess the White House has the resources to do a better study than all the nonprofits or something. Full report isn't online yet but thy are covering the highlights at the announcement at the Bread Institute.

Here's a fun one:
In the last week if the month, ER visits for low blood sugar in low-income diabetics increases 27%. They don't have the money for food so they have complications and they don't have the money for medicine so they go to the hospital.

Have another:
SNAP restrictions push people into unhealthy food, with a noted correlation of healthy people with good habits who go on SNAP demonstrating weight gain and a corresponding increase in diabetes.

Or here:
Preliminary estimate is that complications following on from hunger and food insecurity costs us an extra $160 billion a year in health care costs. Poor nutrition leads to increased vulnerability to diseases and larger issues like, again, diabetes, which must then be treated

Fried Chicken posted:

So Michelle Obama's Let's Move program has put out a report, and it is horrifying. See, as they cover in the intro, they set out to do a broad covering of food issues in America before diving into the obesity epidemic. But what they ended up finding was that food insecurity is a much more massive problem than prior reports had revealed, even in their worst projections. I guess the White House has the resources to do a better study than all the nonprofits or something. Full report isn't online yet but thy are covering the highlights at the announcement at the Bread Institute.

Here's a fun one:
In the last week if the month, ER visits for low blood sugar in low-income diabetics increases 27%. They don't have the money for food so they have complications and they don't have the money for medicine so they go to the hospital.

Have another:
SNAP restrictions push people into unhealthy food, with a noted correlation of healthy people with good habits who go on SNAP demonstrating weight gain and a corresponding increase in diabetes.

Or here:
Preliminary estimate is that complications following on from hunger and food insecurity costs us an extra $160 billion a year in health care costs. Poor nutrition leads to increased vulnerability to diseases and larger issues like, again, diabetes, which must then be treated

Fried Chicken posted:

So Michelle Obama's Let's Move program has put out a report, and it is horrifying.

Joementum posted:

Fried Chicken posted:

So Michelle Obama's Let's Move program has put out a report, and it is horrifying. See, as they cover in the intro, they set out to do a broad covering of food issues in America before diving into the obesity epidemic. But what they ended up finding was that food insecurity is a much more massive problem than prior reports had revealed, even in their worst projections. I guess the White House has the resources to do a better study than all the nonprofits or something.

LowellDND posted:

Cant lead with that and then not link it

The Real Foogla posted:

Sounds horrible, but why did you post this without a link to the report? I'm not going to post this on FB and attribute it to unknown yet thoroughly impeached poster Fried Chicken.

Fried Chicken posted:

So Michelle Obama's Let's Move program has put out a report, and it is horrifying. See, as they cover in the intro, they set out to do a broad covering of food issues in America before diving into the obesity epidemic. But what they ended up finding was that food insecurity is a much more massive problem than prior reports had revealed, even in their worst projections. I guess the White House has the resources to do a better study than all the nonprofits or something. Full report isn't online yet but thy are covering the highlights at the announcement at the Bread Institute.

Here's a fun one:
In the last week if the month, ER visits for low blood sugar in low-income diabetics increases 27%. They don't have the money for food so they have complications and they don't have the money for medicine so they go to the hospital.

Have another:
SNAP restrictions push people into unhealthy food, with a noted correlation of healthy people with good habits who go on SNAP demonstrating weight gain and a corresponding increase in diabetes.

Or here:
Preliminary estimate is that complications following on from hunger and food insecurity costs us an extra $160 billion a year in health care costs. Poor nutrition leads to increased vulnerability to diseases and larger issues like, again, diabetes, which must then be treated