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klen dool posted:Goddamn I am utterly sick of rugby. It's inescapable. A team wins a game, a guy retires from his job, a man dies unexpectedly, a flag needs changing and somehow the allblacks are referenced, a prime minister goes overseas to ostensibly engage in trade talks but ends up at a rugby game. Unfortunately there's literally nothing else interesting in this god forsaken shitcountry so, yeah. The Ruggers M8
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I dunno about that. Over the weekend I went to a 24 movie marathon and watched some weird hosed up films, it was pretty cool. The arts festival next year looks pretty great too: The James Plays, Nixon in China, a loving fire garden! Le1f and Kate Tempest are touring here in the coming months, they'll be interesting as gently caress. But I guess if you don't get out amongst it, then you'd forgiven thinking that the whole country revolves around rugby, flags, burgers and the block.
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Nov 24, 2015 01:47
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premium news content http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11550261&ref=NZH_FBpage
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Nov 24, 2015 02:01
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gently caress, I always suspected the Chinese were behind it all, all the pieces are coming together...
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Nov 24, 2015 02:04
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http://www.watchme.co.nz/like-mike/ Jeremy Wells 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
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Nov 24, 2015 07:35
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I still have difficulty believing it's not Mike.
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Nov 24, 2015 08:15
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If only there were a checkbox on the referendum to say "gently caress all these flags"
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Nov 24, 2015 12:38
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Anticheese posted:If only there were a checkbox on the referendum to say "gently caress all these flags" 
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Nov 24, 2015 13:45
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I was polite about it. "gently caress No Please".
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Nov 24, 2015 13:58
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Can i vote for the gently caress Off flag?
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Nov 24, 2015 22:20
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The "gently caress off" group should really be writing "I'm fine with whichever one of these wins" because that's the outcome of what they're doing 
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Nov 24, 2015 23:05
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Well they're theoretically going to vote "No" in the next referendum so it doesn't really matter which one of them does win from their perspective.
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Nov 24, 2015 23:14
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fong posted:The "gently caress off" group should really be writing "I'm fine with whichever one of these wins" because that's the outcome of what they're doing Yeah, I understand the sentiment but this is pretty much it. I would really like it if one of the less bad ones wins, guys. Ghostlight posted:Well they're theoretically going to vote "No" in the next referendum so it doesn't really matter which one of them does win from their perspective. Yeah, that. I'm gonna be so conflicted when one of the ferns inevitably gets through. If our current flag was listed on there I'd rank it higher than the ferns but lower than the other two. If you think about it it's basically like the Lockwood flags, they've just replaced the British Motherland with All Blacks. Are there any chances Red Peak will win this vote? Or are the National voters all gonna vote for JK's fave? Laverna fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Nov 24, 2015 23:20
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TV poll says 65% want to keep the current fleg.
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Nov 24, 2015 23:31
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I want to get rid of the current flag, but I want it to be subsequent to getting rid of the British not winning world sportsball.
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Nov 24, 2015 23:36
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Spoiled ballots are going to be counted as part of the result, so that's one reason for doing it.
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fartmanteau posted:TV poll says 65% want to keep the current fleg. I don't understand the arguments I've seen people use to keep the current flag. We've barely had it for a 100 years, so there isn't the huge connection that people seem to be making it out to be. Changing the flag won't mean that we have no laws anymore, that's a pretty stupid one. Were there any others? I mean, if they find it visually appealing or really, really like the union jack then sure. I'm actually curious on this, not trying to be a snot. Not many people seem to share my opinion on the flag and I can't figure out if it's because they actually like it or just a knee-jerk reaction to John Key. (My dad's pretty anti-flag change but thinks that this failure will give people the idea to kick off a flag change proposal on their own terms. I'm a bit more cynical.)
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Nov 25, 2015 00:48
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It's cause all the alternatives are poo poo. The debate on the merits or otherwise of the current flag died the moment the finalists were announced; after that point it became a simple matter of you get the current flag or a huge piece of poo poo flag. I was pretty pro-flag change prior to all this but the way it's been conducted, the reasons for instigating it and the candidates put forth have put me off entirely.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:11
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The arguments for a flag change are equally, if not more, incoherent and lacking in any real substance or conviction.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:35
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Slavvy posted:It's cause all the alternatives are poo poo. The debate on the merits or otherwise of the current flag died the moment the finalists were announced; after that point it became a simple matter of you get the current flag or a huge piece of poo poo flag. I was pretty pro-flag change prior to all this but the way it's been conducted, the reasons for instigating it and the candidates put forth have put me off entirely. That's got me pretty conflicted, to be fair. When the options are poo poo flag vs poo poo flag it kind of makes you wish there was an option to abolish flag completely. We can just wave around a piece of cloth with "New Zealand" written on it from now on.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:41
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Thinking of transcribing this tweet to my ballot to give the vote counters a chuckle https://twitter.com/dril/status/171450835388203008?lang=en
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Nov 25, 2015 01:48
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I think it's also just a simple aversion to change. I've seen a lot of 'if it's not broke, don't fix it' comments, despite the attempts to explain the problems with our current one. People grew up with this flag, it was good enough for them, let's keep it. The first 4 alternatives are awful, and I'm actually into red peak, but I think it's highly unlikely for a flag to emerge from that process that is supported by a majority of Kiwis. The only existing flag that I could imagine getting across the line would be a straight up All Blacks flag. The Lockwood designs are riding entirely on familiarity and are popular because of that. They're not so much a change as a tweak. There's no real passion drawn from those designs though. Red peak has passion, but it's also 'new' and wrong to many. I don't like it's chances of making it through the first round.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:55
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spanky the dolphin posted:I think it's also just a simple aversion to change. I've seen a lot of 'if it's not broke, don't fix it' comments, despite the attempts to explain the problems with our current one. People grew up with this flag, it was good enough for them, let's keep it. I used to be totally for the All Blacks flag. We're familiar with it, it's already everywhere (including on our passports) and it doesn't look bad. I was pretty surprised that it never ended up being an option. But these ones we've ended up with have kind of soured me towards ferns. 100% agree on the Lockwoods. For people who want change they're a huge disappointment, but I guess for people who want familiarity they're comfortable. (But then why change it at all?) Oh, I think I get it now. I can't comprehend how anyone thought any of those final 4 flags was a good idea. Red Peak I understand because of how they got the idea of it and the intent behind it, but the others nothing. I always imagined the final options being something like All Blacks, Hundertwasser, the Maori Flag and then a couple of entirely new designs created by people passionate about a new flag (eg, Red Peak). All something that actually has meaning to our country and could represent it. Compared to that what we have on offer is cheap trash. Sorry for hogging the thread with my rants. It's 2 in am so I'll stop now.
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Nov 25, 2015 02:32
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All the silver fern flags leave me feeling weird. We put that poo poo on meat exports and our rugby team, not the way we represent ourselves as a nation instead of a protein export business.
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Nov 25, 2015 02:44
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For me, I picture of having a silver fern on a black background as a flag and it's like, "what, are we a bunch of loving pirates?"
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Nov 25, 2015 02:48
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Laverna posted:That's got me pretty conflicted, to be fair. When the options are poo poo flag vs poo poo flag it kind of makes you wish there was an option to abolish flag completely. It's tyool 2015. Can't we have a national gif instead?
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Nov 25, 2015 02:57
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Laverna posted:I can't comprehend how anyone thought any of those final 4 flags was a good idea. Red Peak I understand because of how they got the idea of it and the intent behind it, but the others nothing. Yeah this is the big mystery for me. I would love to have the transcripts of those panel meetings to see what the hell happened. FYI your expected flags you listed weren't allowed by whoever held the rights to them. It looks to me like the panels decision wasn't arrived at organically by reviewing all the options but was influenced both internally and externally. Note in that link how Key was already saying his preferred option was the red / blue Lockwood flag before the process even started. I do want to know why they chose two identical Lockwoods - pretty outlandish of them. The ugly as hell black and white fern is a continuation of the Brand New Zealand campaign that has been ongoing for years. The koru that was selected looks token and so dull it's like you're just meant to skip it entirely and go straight for the fern. Vagabundo posted:For me, I picture of having a silver fern on a black background as a flag and it's like, "what, are we a bunch of loving pirates?" Key was into the silver fern on black (another Lockwood variant) until John Oliver said it looked like the ISIS flag, then he went for the red / blue. The B&W really would look like a pirate flag if it were on a distant boat though. Poor flag design.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:00
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the consultation process was like 2 hours where they got a sports product designer to look at the flags. that was it.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:15
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The process was just a shambles. Key starts the whole thing off when it there was no demand for it, and prejudices the panel and submissions right off the bat by saying he wants a fern. They spend god knows how much on the Stand For campaign, to try and figure out what values a new flag should communicate, and then ignore them and go with kiwiana bullshit. The panel didn't have any artists or designers (it did have two people with a conflict of interest with one of the finalists tho!) and had a single meeting with DINZ, which recommended simple, abstract, designs. The justification for ignoring that advice was that the mouthbreathers who actually attended the public meetings had trouble with abstraction. Then the final four are revealed, with two identical designs l m a o. and that's not to mention all the grotesque politicking from the anti-change and pro-fern camps about Are Brave Dead Soldiers, i.e. people who were conscripted and certainly didn't have the flag in their top 10 reasons for fighting 
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Nov 25, 2015 04:16
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Laverna posted:I don't understand the arguments I've seen people use to keep the current flag. Because a stupid retard wants to change it to put himself in the history books, not because we've done anything deserving of having our national identity changed. That's why people don't want to change it.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:17
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Because a stupid retard wants to change it to put himself in the history books, not because we've done anything deserving of having our national identity changed. This, and there's no benefit to changing it
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Nov 25, 2015 04:25
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It'd make John Key happy. That's justification enough not to give him his new flag, IMO
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Nov 25, 2015 04:33
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Change the flag to someone decapitating a caricature of John Key, and include all his personal information and Google search history as a background. I mean, he said he wanted the flag changed, right?
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Nov 25, 2015 04:36
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 http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/74282570/Electoral-Commission-warns-Kiwis-against-sharing-photos-of-flag-voting-papers  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11548398 I'm pretty sure his ranking matches internal polling lol
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Nov 25, 2015 04:46
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Kinda posted already I know, but seriously, Jeremy Wells and the Back of the Y guys have a new web series called Stuntline. "The country's first stunt-based news and current affairs show hosted by New Zealand’s premiere dare devil stuntman, Randy Cambell." http://www.watchme.co.nz/stunt-line/
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Nov 25, 2015 04:47
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The greatest thing would be if history books 150 years from now said " The Key Government is best remembered for the unpopular 2015 New Zealand flag, which was replaced in 2018 after
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Nov 25, 2015 04:57
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Anticheese posted:All the silver fern flags leave me feeling weird. We put that poo poo on meat exports and our rugby team, not the way we represent ourselves as a nation instead of a protein export business. NZ is just a (failing) protein export business. Hth.
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Nov 25, 2015 05:17
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I'm voting for Red Peak first, then inverting Key's list. If Red Peak doesn't win this stage then I'll vote to keep our current one.
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Nov 25, 2015 07:42
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I'm going to rank them the same as ol' John since it doesn't loving matter how anyone votes because the flag isn't changing.
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Nov 25, 2015 07:59
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The goal is not to change the flag. It's to indirectly insult John Key.
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