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Is it common practice to wave a spot light around while going through traffic? Edit: And yep, no wonder they were trying to cover this one up. He was still on the groud and they continued to pump bullets into him. Bring on the weekend riots. happyhippy fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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hypnorotic posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2N6_jLAgA I wonder if they'll release audio that can be synced to this video, because the last little puff from a round hitting the asphalt makes you realize that the cop kept firing a LONG time after the guy went down. And seriously, 16 rounds? Pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop
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Nov 25, 2015 01:02
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Devor posted:I wonder if they'll release audio that can be synced to this video, because the last little puff from a round hitting the asphalt makes you realize that the cop kept firing a LONG time after the guy went down. And seriously, 16 rounds? No audio exists anywhere. There may have been audio at the Burger King but the cops literally deleted the security footage at the Burger King a few minutes after this video was taken. I honestly think what Chicago needs to do is just fire the entire force, start over with new regulations, ban anyone who was ever on the force from coming back, the rot is absolutely through the whole drat tree.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:04
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There is audio, it's just really lovely. You can hear heavily compressed and clipped sirens, barely.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:05
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They kept shooting him for more than 10 seconds after he was lying on the ground.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:06
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hypnorotic posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2N6_jLAgA gently caress. i could see tackling him, maybe taser if he actively resisted. but this pig gently caress straight up murdered this guy and its taken a loving year to prosecute him.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:07
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lfield posted:They kept shooting him for more than 10 seconds after he was lying on the ground. Just the one officer actually.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:09
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lfield posted:They kept shooting him for more than 10 seconds after he was lying on the ground. Only the one officer fired, supposedly. Seems to me that would make it easier to investigate and prosecute, since there's no question of domino effect, etc., but what do I know I'm not a fancy prosecutor who has to deal with a challenging case of a murder caught on tape, witnessed by a dozen government employees with the weapon and full confession in hand.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:11
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It's sad how transparent their attempts to cover their own asses are. Do you think there will be an extended investigation into the deleted Burger King footage? Isn't that obstruction of justice for whoever took part in that?
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Nov 25, 2015 01:11
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C2C - 2.0 posted:What's even more amazing is that white supremacists had already shown up to the protests, ARMED, the night before. In just about any other city, the police would make sure they were essentially escorting these guys while they were on the scene to make sure nothing happened.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:12
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Nov 25, 2015 01:13
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Dapper_Swindler posted:gently caress. i could see tackling him, maybe taser if he actively resisted. but this pig gently caress straight up murdered this guy and its taken a loving year to prosecute him. Well this whole thing is why they're supposed to have tasers in the first place to stun someone with a knife so they can be arrested. Or course the police just like to use it as a compliance weapon
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Nov 25, 2015 01:13
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They radioed for a car with a taser to show up, but apparently no unit had a taser. That's going to be his defence, by the way - they didn't have the proper tools and he thought this guy was going to be a threat so he fired. It'll be harder to explain the subsequent 14 bullets, but since the audio is missing I'm sure they'll come up with something. He'll get away with it too.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:19
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pathetic little tramp posted:He'll get away with it too. Nah, they are now scared shitless of the Burger King part getting daylight spending poo poo to the rest of the department. So they 'get severe' and he will get 15-20 years, throw 10 mill at the family, and nothing will be said about the rest trying to cover it up.
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Nov 25, 2015 01:21
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pathetic little tramp posted:They radioed for a car with a taser to show up, but apparently no unit had a taser. That's going to be his defence, by the way - they didn't have the proper tools and he thought this guy was going to be a threat so he fired. It'll be harder to explain the subsequent 14 bullets, but since the audio is missing I'm sure they'll come up with something. nah, he put 14 rounds into a downed kid when he was clearly incapacitated., dyke is hosed, the others probably not.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:nah, he put 14 rounds into a downed kid when he was clearly incapacitated., dyke is hosed, the others probably not. He's going to say that he feared for his life, got scared, and "fell back on his training" by firing until his weapon was empty or the threat had been neutralized. The fact that the first two shots did that job will probably be accounted for by some kind of state of mind defense, like in that moment he panicked and couldn't be sure it was over so he just had to keep shooting. It will probably be a contest between the jury believing it, or finding the extra 14 shots too excessive to accept. I think Illinois allows the jury to convict on lesser included offenses so maybe he can get involuntary manslaughter or something. I'm interested to find out what the other police are going to say when they're asked why Van Dyke was the only officer to open fire. They're not going to throw him under the bus so it's going to require some strange contortions in their testimony.
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hypnorotic posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2N6_jLAgA  Cops get off doing that
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pathetic little tramp posted:They radioed for a car with a taser to show up, but apparently no unit had a taser. That's going to be his defence, by the way - they didn't have the proper tools and he thought this guy was going to be a threat so he fired. It'll be harder to explain the subsequent 14 bullets, but since the audio is missing I'm sure they'll come up with something. Police keep the 'Taser' locked away with the 'Shrink Ray' and 'Freeze Gun', only to be pulled out when needed for the most serious of criminals (supervillians, black kids on pcp, etc).
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One of the defenses you'll see online will be that the shots that bring him to the ground are completely justified, and the additional shots are not murder because you can't prove that McDonald was alive when they were fired. Can't murder a corpse.
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Um, what rationale, if any, was given for the Chicago cops erasing the Burger King surveillance video? Or did they just say "we wanted to review this evidence, and it somehow wound up erased, sorry"?
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Nov 25, 2015 02:49
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"No evidence of any tampering" or deny deny deny
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Zwabu posted:Um, what rationale, if any, was given for the Chicago cops erasing the Burger King surveillance video? Or did they just say "we wanted to review this evidence, and it somehow wound up erased, sorry"? I don't think they've said anything about it. I imagine that's what the investigations are hung up on.
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Zwabu posted:Um, what rationale, if any, was given for the Chicago cops erasing the Burger King surveillance video? Or did they just say "we wanted to review this evidence, and it somehow wound up erased, sorry"? I don't think Chicago PD has ever admitted to deleting the footage, the source on it was the manager from Burger King who let some officers look at the cameras the night of the murder and investigators were missing a 90 minute chunk in the morning.
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Zwabu posted:Um, what rationale, if any, was given for the Chicago cops erasing the Burger King surveillance video? Or did they just say "we wanted to review this evidence, and it somehow wound up erased, sorry"? They don't know how it was erased.  Sure, police spent three hours, alone, in the room with the video recorder. And sure, after they left that entire time block was missing, but that's all mere coincidence because according the the police, "We have no credible evidence at this time that would cause us to believe CPD purged or erased any surveillance video."Source
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thatdarnedbob posted:One of the defenses you'll see online will be that the shots that bring him to the ground are completely justified, and the additional shots are not murder because you can't prove that McDonald was alive when they were fired. Can't murder a corpse. MIGF is already on it in the IL politics thread! quote:
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Dapper_Swindler posted:nah, he put 14 rounds into a downed kid when he was clearly incapacitated., dyke is hosed, the others probably not. Nothing is going to change until 'the others' start getting charged in these cases. And jesus, that video.
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Nov 25, 2015 05:44
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How did we get to a place where "Guy 50 feet away with a knife walking away at an angle from multiple police officers" needs to be shot to death because hes a threat? How does that make any loving sense? I can't comprehend the escalation of force there. How are officers being trained? Is it literally "Well if there is even a tiny chance that at some point an officer could conceivably be injured, deadly force"?
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cheese posted:How did we get to a place where "Guy 50 feet away with a knife walking away at an angle from multiple police officers" needs to be shot to death because hes a threat? How does that make any loving sense? I can't comprehend the escalation of force there. How are officers being trained? Is it literally "Well if there is even a tiny chance that at some point an officer could conceivably be injured, deadly force"? I've heard it suggested that Van Dyke fired the first few shots out of adrenaline/insanity/whatever, and only emptied his clip after realizing what he had done so as to have a corpse rather than a witness. Practiced psychopathy.
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rockopete posted:I've heard it suggested that Van Dyke fired the first few shots out of adrenaline/insanity/whatever, and only emptied his clip after realizing what he had done so as to have a corpse rather than a witness. Practiced sociopathy. It's probably a lot easier for racist apologists to convict a corpse than acquit against victim testimony.
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Just pointing out that the reason the camera angle changes is because the Cops are angling their car so that the video camera won't have it in view. I live in Chicago btw.
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Hollismason posted:Just pointing out that the reason the camera angle changes is because the Cops are angling their car so that the video camera won't have it in view.
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Why aren't more officers than just van Dyke being charged? At a minimum every officer on the scene is now an accessory to murder, and the officers who visited the Burger King would be investigated for destruction of evidence.
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cheese posted:How did we get to a place where "Guy 50 feet away with a knife walking away at an angle from multiple police officers" needs to be shot to death because hes a threat? How does that make any loving sense? I can't comprehend the escalation of force there. How are officers being trained? Is it literally "Well if there is even a tiny chance that at some point an officer could conceivably be injured, deadly force"? This sort of thing isn't a new development, it's just that now you have cameras everywhere so there's something concrete to counter the official police story. To be fair, I think that most police shootings are probably justified, there are a lot of stupid/violent people ingesting a lot of behavior altering chemicals on any given day, but at least some portion of those shootings have always been outright murders just like this one. We just finally have a way to prove it.
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Terraplane posted:This sort of thing isn't a new development, it's just that now you have cameras everywhere so there's something concrete to counter the official police story. Yeah basically. Compare the sloppy blowjob the local news station gave Slager before the video came out. Without that camera he was just another cop who valiantly and regretfully defended his very life against a violent criminal who wrestled away his taser and was about to stun the cop and then sodomize/murder him while he lay helpless. 
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Hollismason posted:Just pointing out that the reason the camera angle changes is because the Cops are angling their car so that the video camera won't have it in view. Yeah, when I saw the video yesterday my first thought was that the cop did a lovely job and should be charged because the angle of the dashcam still showed 16 shots being fired. It's a small miracle that the driver of that car didn't get charged for accidentally preserving evidence.
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rockopete posted:I've heard it suggested that Van Dyke fired the first few shots out of adrenaline/insanity/whatever, and only emptied his clip after realizing what he had done so as to have a corpse rather than a witness. Practiced psychopathy. My guess is that prosecutors are going for Murder 1 because they have evidence beyond the tape that the last 8 shots or so had this motivation. I guessed that this is what happened to Mike Brown but there were not good witnesses or video like in this case.
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Grundulum posted:Why aren't more officers than just van Dyke being charged? At a minimum every officer on the scene is now an accessory to murder, and the officers who visited the Burger King would be investigated for destruction of evidence. How is anyone an accessory to murder?
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Nov 25, 2015 18:52
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Jarmak posted:How is anyone an accessory to murder? I can't speak for the officers on the scene, but the ones that erased the footage qualify for Accessory after the Fact.
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rockopete posted:Nothing is going to change until 'the others' start getting charged in these cases. agreed, but i am at least somewhat happy that they are at least throwing this psycho under the bus. He is sympton of the problem sure, but its a step in the right direction. now to see if he actually gets convicted. which he very well might.
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Jarmak posted:How is anyone an accessory to murder? Aside from destroying evidence (not just the BK footage, there was a bunch of dash-cam video missing) and then lying about what happened to try to cover up the murder*, don't the police have any sort of responsibility to arrest someone when they clearly see a murder happening in front of them? I realize police don't have any specific duty to protect an individual, but surely some laws are being broken if police officers watch someone pump bullets into someone laying on the ground and their response is "eh, gently caress it" rather than taking action to arrest the individual. *I'm presuming they lied to investigators, since it doesn't seem possible that they could have accurately recounted the events in a way that didn't immediately result in Van Dyke's arrest. AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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