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Some Numbers posted:I think you missed the joke, OFS. To be fair; in circumstances of trolling/sarcasm, positive and educational responses are still good in that they provide for other readers who might not understand the topic at hand or may be at risk of being misinformed by the original comment in question. But yeah, OFS probably missed the joke. Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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The Mangara/Karakas interactions is one of those weird ones, too. In any other set this ability would exile him as part of the cost. But this is Time Spiral, where tiny quirks in the rules text are entirely intentional and providing edge cases is the reason. I'm not going to let a little thing like insincerity get in the way of explaining tiny quirks and edge cases.
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Nov 24, 2015 21:45
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The Mangara/Karakas interactions is one of those weird ones, too. It's flavor because Mangara isn't putting himself back into the amber prison and then putting the other person in the same prison. He's trying to pull them into the prison with him.
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Nov 24, 2015 21:48
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The Mangara/Karakas interactions is one of those weird ones, too. Poor little dude...
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Nov 24, 2015 21:50
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Zoness posted:He's trying to pull them into the prison with him. And the inexplicable resonance of some prairie with a Croatian name makes him go to a wizard's short-term memory rather than the amber prison.
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Nov 24, 2015 21:52
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:And the inexplicable resonance of some prairie with a Croatian name makes him go to a wizard's short-term memory rather than the amber prison. Yeah dude he's like man that's a dumb name *trips* and then he's in your head!
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Nov 24, 2015 21:53
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The Mangara/Karakas interactions is one of those weird ones, too. It also works if you Vial in a Flickerwisp! 
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Nov 24, 2015 21:54
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:And the inexplicable resonance of some prairie with a Croatian name makes him go to a wizard's short-term memory rather than the amber prison. Karakas activations are just Angus Mackenzie walking out to the person and saying, 'hey man, just chill'
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Nov 24, 2015 21:56
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Angus/Mangara OTP
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Nov 24, 2015 22:10
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who is mangara, why were they in an amber prison
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Nov 24, 2015 22:13
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mandatory lesbian posted:who is mangara, why were they in an amber prison wow man learn your mirage block lore
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Nov 24, 2015 22:14
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mandatory lesbian posted:who is mangara, why were they in an amber prison I don't know but this sounds like a great setup for Muraganda.
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Nov 24, 2015 22:14
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Has Angus Mackenzie EDH turbofog been done before? I feel like it should have.
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Nov 24, 2015 22:19
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mandatory lesbian posted:who is mangara, why were they in an amber prison Kaervek tricked Jolrael into trapping Mangara in the amber prison so he could rule over Jamuraa duh.
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Nov 24, 2015 22:19
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You can tell that Mangara is from Mirage because his name is an anagram for the word "anagram".
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Nov 24, 2015 22:29
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Rimusutera posted:Has Angus Mackenzie EDH turbofog been done before? I feel like it should have. It has, and it has been done to death. That is one of the reasons it is a 70 dollar card.
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Nov 24, 2015 22:32
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Wait, Mangara's a dude? The more you know, I guess.
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Nov 24, 2015 22:41
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Oh snap. Le Bestiaire put up that fan made Star War set as a draftable set. 
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Nov 24, 2015 22:54
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Ramos posted:Wait, Mangara's a dude? It's right in the name! He's not called Womangara, is he?
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Nov 24, 2015 23:00
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AlternateNu posted:Oh snap. Le Bestiaire put up that fan made Star War set as a draftable set. This is so cool.
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Nov 24, 2015 23:22
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Threads up for the Command Zone brew tournament: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3752950
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Nov 25, 2015 00:06
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Zoness posted:Kaervek tricked Jolrael into trapping Mangara in the amber prison so he could rule over Jamuraa duh. kaervek is the merciless guy right, i remember this name don't know who jolrael is tho
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Nov 25, 2015 01:59
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mandatory lesbian posted:kaervek is the merciless guy right, i remember this name 
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Nov 25, 2015 01:59
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the lands don't even become beasts, this is terrible flavor
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Nov 25, 2015 02:00
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mandatory lesbian posted:kaervek is the merciless guy right, i remember this name she lived in the forest and hated everyone during the first half of the story She continued to live in the first afterwards too though tbf Edit: wow way too slow
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Nov 25, 2015 02:01
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AlternateNu posted:Oh snap. Le Bestiaire put up that fan made Star War set as a draftable set. Is there a way to have a lobby that makes it work like drafts.in that I'm just not seeing? Or I can't see it because I'm accessing on a mobile platform?
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notbrant posted:Is there a way to have a lobby that makes it work like drafts.in that I'm just not seeing? Look for "More drafts", it's right below the large red bars and above the set selection. And no lobbies, you just do it solo against CPU.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:09
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AlternateNu posted:Oh snap. Le Bestiaire put up that fan made Star War set as a draftable set. Yay? The over all design of it is garbage.
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Nov 25, 2015 05:14
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Rimusutera posted:Yay? The over all design of it is garbage. You mean a set where every rare is an easy first pick and the mythics are all unbeatable isn't good for limited?
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Nov 25, 2015 05:23
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suicidesteve posted:You mean a set where every rare is an easy first pick and the mythics are all unbeatable isn't good for limited? Honestly, I've just been drafting Mardu decks with removal out the wazoo, Spaceships with repair, and filler duds. gently caress the rares.
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Nov 25, 2015 05:38
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The thread title made me think about Reparations because I don't remember what it did. Then I noticed that the oracle text does something different than what I remembered: vs. the oracle text which is: "Whenever an opponent casts a spell that targets you or a creature you control, you may draw a card." I assume that the idea was that you only get the card if the spell resolves, but it seems like they don't actually have any kind of template that addresses a spell resolving, so the oracle text doesn't care if the spell resolves.
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Nov 25, 2015 06:33
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Angry Grimace posted:The thread title made me think about Reparations because I don't remember what it did. It's because it used to only happen if the spell wasn't countered, which in turn was because counters were interrupts which I believe happened in a weird window immediately after the spell was cast, before anything else you could do to respond to it. From a modern perspective, the old "successfully cast" is closer to the modern "cast" than the modern "resolves." See also poo poo like Enchantress effects.
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I believe "successfully cast" was always the equivalent to "put on the stack", countered or no. I played pre-6th but none of us had any idea what the rules were so I'm not sure, though.
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Nov 25, 2015 06:39
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Elyv is right. The reason they changed successfully cast later was because its wording was confusing. Players found it much easier to understand something being cast but not necessarily resolve vs something being successfully cast but not necessarily resolving. And really, talk about unnecessary baggage in the wording of stuff.
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Nov 25, 2015 06:48
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Ramos posted:Elyv is right. The reason they changed successfully cast later was because its wording was confusing. Players found it much easier to understand something being cast but not necessarily resolve vs something being successfully cast but not necessarily resolving. Ahh well, I must have been misinformed myself then. I always understood successfully cast as happening after the opponent got the opportunity to "interrupt" it, but before anything else you could do to respond (and maybe interfere with the casting in other ways, like unsummoning a targeted creature). This explanation made sense to me because it would be literally meaningless to say "successfully" cast unless there was a chance for it to be unsuccessful.
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Nov 25, 2015 06:51
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Elyv posted:I believe "successfully cast" was always the equivalent to "put on the stack", countered or no. I played pre-6th but none of us had any idea what the rules were so I'm not sure, though. There wasn't a stack though. No one had any idea what the rules were back in the day because actual organized tournaments weren't as big a thing, and the rules were a goddamned mess that had be cobbled together on top of a system that didn't even really work at all as originally created.
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Elyv posted:I believe "successfully cast" was always the equivalent to "put on the stack", countered or no. I played pre-6th but none of us had any idea what the rules were so I'm not sure, though. Yes, this is correct, and I always sigh internally whenever someone tries to explain that it meant " if the spell wasn't countered" (because then why wouldn't modern Oracle text use "resolves" or something similar?) because I'm someone who has judged Magic in pre and post-6th edition rules. What's interesting about Reparations and similar cards is that they got rid of the "target opponent" part. While that ability can't work as templated, it's interesting that cards with triggered abilities from back then now read "whenever an opponent" yet cards with static abilities like Skyshroud War Beast have you choose just one opponent as it enters the battlefield and the card only cares about that opponent from then onwards. I can't remember how Reparations worked in a multiplayer game in 1996, but I don't think that ever came up, and the Mirage FAQ is no help.
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BJPaskoff posted:Yes, this is correct, and I always sigh internally whenever someone tries to explain that it meant " if the spell wasn't countered" (because then why wouldn't modern Oracle text use "resolves" or something similar?) because I'm someone who has judged Magic in pre and post-6th edition rules. I just assumed it was because there's no such thing as a trigger on something resolving as far as I know.
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I think the reason for "successfully casts" is that Back In The Day the sequence was "announce you are casting spell -> tap all your lands and poo poo -> oh, whoops you don't have enough mana to cast it! better rewind to before you tried to cast it."
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