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I missed a bunch of pages while away, what's the thread title about?
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comes along bort posted:
Once again, DFL politicians put "anything else" ahead of reducing the opportunity gap for native americans in rural areas.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:05
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Doctor Butts posted:I missed a bunch of pages while away, what's the thread title about? quote:"I obviously am not happy about the events that happened last week in Paris, but I think it's a positive development that it suddenly has forced Americans to confront more carefully the issue of national security."
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Nov 25, 2015 03:05
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comes along bort posted:
I'm trying to come up with a witty rejoinder about the GOP knowing exactly how to solve "negroproblems" but after watching that cop video I just can't anymore. Time to hit up the puppy thread.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:07
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Epic High Five posted:This doesn't surprise me in the least, the real question is, if this guy gets nailed for 1st degree (which if you can't stomach watching the video, it's BLATANT) could the I can see the officer not getting convicted in this case; I mean I can see him getting convicted also, but if he walks I would not be surprised given the facts at issue there.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:11
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My Imaginary GF posted:For context: 12 field staff is about what you'd have for a well-funded Congressional district. Position matters; are these 12 statewide coordinators, or 12 iowa-orientated coordinators? What is their past record? How many volunteers and local connections do they bring with them? Can they work well with finance side? All important campaign infrastructure questions. Republicans tend to be less field-heavy in their campaigns than Dems. Trump has 12, which is also how many Bush has. Rubio has 6. Presumably they're going to ramp that up as we get closer. Field budget = FOs * time, so you can hire 1 staffer for the last 10 weeks, or 2 for the last 5 weeks, or 3 for the final push (last 3-4 weeks). You definitely need some staffers early so they can identify volunteers and volunteer leaders, but most of the voter contact you have to do for GOTV you can't really start until mid-January, so it makes sense to backload some of your hires if you're not going too heavy into field. By contrast, Hillary has 78 FOs in Iowa, and that's just frontline field staffers. Bernie has 20 FOs and about 50 total staff.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:11
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Joementum posted:Someone in Amazon's marketing department thought this would be a totally chill and cool ad design for NYC subways. Might be confused for trump campaign material. About /pol/ though. I've visited it and I can't Guage how much of it is serious. Can't stump the trump? Flimflam the zimzam? That's not really storm front material.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3c6cK9p_w That is, I am guessing, the white supremacists video of them video taping the protest before some stuff happens. There is no audio so you can't really tell what is going on. The two sides started talking with each other congenially enough but the tension appears to rise until some indeterminate stuff happens and then the video ends.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:26
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Torpor posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3c6cK9p_w lol
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Nov 25, 2015 03:29
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Shageletic posted:Broken link poo poo stupid phone. I'll do better when I get home.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:37
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So I saw something interesting about Turkey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO Apparently they have the second highest numbers of active (and inactive) troops only behind the U.S.? Really? More than the UK or France? What's up with that?
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Nov 25, 2015 03:41
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Gonna be very curious to see how the right rationalizes the Chicago shooting after that video's released. Jesus Christ...
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Nov 25, 2015 03:44
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Mr Interweb posted:So I saw something interesting about Turkey: Located with some lovely neighbors?
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Nov 25, 2015 03:44
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Ron Jeremy posted:Might be confused for trump campaign material. I've begun lurking /tv/ a bit because one of my friends told me it is just as bad as /pol/ and it is. Also mind, /pol/ is something like the fourth largest board. I'm pretty sure most of it is in earnest, or semi-earnest. People don't spend that much time and effort making graphs and infographics and coming up with arguments for poo poo they don't believe. I mean, or maybe they do? But usually the thrill of trolling seems to be the rise that you get from people. Why post on /pol/ then? Posting racist poo poo on /pol/ wont inflame or upset anyone, but posting it on Tumblr would. Why, then, do they congregate at /pol/? Like, there's a reason the shitposters and trolls here generally have far-right gimmicks. A far-left one would generally not evoke much of a reaction. I think the sad, terrifying, conclusion borne out by reasoning and the general statistics of poo poo is that most people on 4chan are, at least on matters of gender and race, semi-serious and likely differ from what they post only in extremity but not in belief. They may be lying about HOW much they hate blacks and women, but they certainly aren't lying in that they hate them.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:45
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Ron Jeremy posted:Might be confused for trump campaign material. I think its probably a mix. I think alot of it is to piss off/trigger the tumblr/twitter crowd for laughs. But I am sure there are plenty of them who unrionicaly start to believe it after a while.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:45
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Ballz posted:Gonna be very curious to see how the right rationalizes the Chicago shooting after that video's released. Jesus Christ... Have you seen what is occuring in Israel right now with knife-wielding individuals? Knives kill.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:45
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My Imaginary GF posted:Have you seen what is occuring in Israel right now with knife-wielding individuals? Knives kill.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:48
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JT Jag posted:"Victim's Perspective" How weird that it doesn't have sound, oh well, must have just been a coincidence and not a manipulation tactic whatsoever.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:49
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Also, I think I officially have had enough of Sam Harris:quote:During a discussion on whether the U.S. should allow Syrian refugees into the county, neuroscientist and atheism advocate Sam Harris continued his personal jihad with author Noam Chomsky while finding common cause with Christian conservative GOP presidential candidates who want to keep the refugees out. http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/sam-harris-id-vote-for-dangerously-deluded-religious-imbecile-ben-carson-over-noam-chomsky/
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Nov 25, 2015 03:50
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My Imaginary GF posted:Have you seen what is occuring in Israel right now with knife-wielding individuals? Yeah lotta knife-holding individuals getting public executions over there too 
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Nov 25, 2015 03:50
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My Imaginary GF posted:Have you seen what is occuring in Israel right now with knife-wielding individuals? Knives kill. Yikes. What happened to your gimmick where you were a Chicago-machine democrat??
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Nov 25, 2015 03:51
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The Kingfish posted:Yikes. What happened to your gimmick where you were a Chicago-machine democrat?? As someone in Chicago the Chicago machine democrats are lovely about this stuff too.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:53
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Mr Interweb posted:So I saw something interesting about Turkey: The military has been played a disproportionately large role in Turkish affairs pretty much since the end of the Ottoman period and I think they more or less still think of themselves as the ultimate bulwark of a Kemalist state. As recently as the 1980s the country was under military rule, and that combined with Turkey being sandwiched between Russia and the rest of the middle east, it's not that surprising that the army's rather large.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:53
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The Kingfish posted:Yikes. What happened to your gimmick where you were a Chicago-machine democrat?? Chicago Democratic Party: Standing behind its police since 1919 What I'm really wondering is, what precisely does Alvarez hope to gun for with this prosecution? Mayor next time around? Good Citizen posted:As someone in Chicago the Chicago machine democrats are lovely about this stuff too. Our boys in blue are there to protect and serve.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:53
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I think its probably a mix. I think alot of it is to piss off/trigger the tumblr/twitter crowd for laughs. But I am sure there are plenty of them who unrionicaly start to believe it after a while. Kind of like how LF turned me into a maoist third worlder?
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Nov 25, 2015 04:07
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Ballz posted:Gonna be very curious to see how the right rationalizes the Chicago shooting after that video's released. Jesus Christ... Coming up with the expected defense argument under the facts is not really that difficult. The guy was acting erratically, not listening to officer commands, and had a knife, ergo the officer was reasonably whatevertheirstandardneedstobe. Edit: apparently the dispatch folks had already requested a taser on scene. I don't know what the CPD needs to have happen before that call is made, but that will also be included as being within the officer's understandings of whatever he needs to be concerned/scared about. The (relatively close) distances between the officer and McDonald will also be an issue. Torpor fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Nov 25, 2015 04:10
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Torpor posted:Coming up with the expected defense argument under the facts is not really that difficult. The guy was acting erratically, not listening to officer commands, and had a knife, ergo the officer was reasonably whatevertheirstandardneedstobe. Shooting him 16 times, mostly after he was incapacitated on the ground, is facially indefensible to the point that they are more likely to adopt the position that it was a heat of the moment error and it would be unfair to judge if you weren't there.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:13
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EvanSchenck posted:Shooting him 16 times, mostly after he was incapacitated on the ground, is facially indefensible to the point that they are more likely to adopt the position that it was a heat of the moment error and it would be unfair to judge if you weren't there. He looked like a demon. Came right at me.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:17
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EvanSchenck posted:Shooting him 16 times, mostly after he was incapacitated on the ground, is facially indefensible No, that fact is not 'facially indefensible'; of all of the facts of the incident that is not that surprising or interesting. The first expert the defense is going to get on retainer will testify for the purposes of explaining that that happens often and is reasonable. Edit: I mean that isn't a good fact, but it isn't exactly the end of the story. Double Edit: you also need to understand the standard the officer is supposed to use in making the decision to shoot in the first place. I dont know what it is in the CPD, but i will guess it can be made helpful to the officer.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:17
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EvanSchenck posted:Shooting him 16 times, mostly after he was incapacitated on the ground, is facially indefensible to the point that they are more likely to adopt the position that it was a heat of the moment error and it would be unfair to judge if you weren't there. Worked for the cop that murdered Oscar grant. Gee, I thought it was my taser. Didn't realize til my clip was empty.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:19
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EvanSchenck posted:Shooting him 16 times, mostly after he was incapacitated on the ground, is facially indefensible to the point that they are more likely to adopt the position that it was a heat of the moment error and it would be unfair to judge if you weren't there. I think they might try "You can't murder someone who'd already dead"
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Nov 25, 2015 04:26
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I should explain the shooting 16 times not being exciting thing; I thiiink it was a fact in the case of People v. Goetz. If memory serves me, and it usually doesnt, but if it is; then there was an issue in the case where Goetz spent his last bullet on one of the guys he shot after the guy was already on the ground. I think the defense basically argued that if you are going to pull the trigger the first time, you are just going to keep pulling the trigger until the gun is empty. I don't remember if they had an expert show up or not, but apparently that type of thing isn't uncommon. That type of thing can also be justified by stating that the officer was so scared of the threat that he started shooting or something; the point is that if the officer makes the decision to pull the trigger one time he has already made the decision to kill the guy; if the officer thinks he is justified that first time, why wouldn't he still be justified for the next 15 shots in rapid succession? It would be kind of odd for the officer to argue that he thought he had the facts necessary to shoot but only shot once and then stopped because that makes it sound like he didn't really have the facts present to shoot in the first place.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:29
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Torpor posted:I should explain the shooting 16 times not being exciting thing; I thiiink it was a fact in the case of People v. Goetz. If memory serves me, and it usually doesnt, but if it is; then there was an issue in the case where Goetz spent his last bullet on one of the guys he shot after the guy was already on the ground. I think the defense basically argued that if you are going to pull the trigger the first time, you are just going to keep pulling the trigger until the gun is empty. I don't remember if they had an expert show up or not, but apparently that type of thing isn't uncommon. Because he'd reloaded his gun and was about to dump a second mag into the victim but his partner somehow stopped him.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:33
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Ron Jeremy posted:Kind of like how LF turned me into a maoist third worlder? i guess, though personally i think Jason Unruhe who is a total rear end clown. him and mao, poisoned that philosophy for me forever.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:33
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Nov 25, 2015 04:36
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FAUXTON posted:Because he'd reloaded his gun and was about to dump a second mag into the victim but his partner somehow stopped him. I think that also happened in a NYPD case where the officers were acquitted. Edit: I can't actually remember, I thought it was Amadou Diallo's case but my cursory search didn't find anything. However, all is not lost: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/23/justice-denied-cleveland-cop-reloaded-gun-shooting-african-americans-acquitted.html That case involved a car backfiring which the cops mistook for gunshots and then things went bad. Torpor fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Nov 25, 2015 04:38
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Mr Interweb posted:Also, I think I officially have had enough of Sam Harris: Thanks for this link, I've been debating with a good friend of mine who thinks that Sam Harris and Bill Maher aren't bigoted but Very Serious Athiests. This might have actually broken through the bias, it's just so ugly and gross.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:54
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i guess, though personally i think Jason Unruhe who is a total rear end clown. him and mao, poisoned that philosophy for me forever. I was going to link some Avakian when I found myself on his wikipedia page. His father's name was Spurgeon, which is the name chosen by the Duggar daughter for their baby and the coincidence completely derailed my original train of thought.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I think its probably a mix. I think alot of it is to piss off/trigger the tumblr/twitter crowd for laughs. But I am sure there are plenty of them who unrionicaly start to believe it after a while. When you spend all your time trying to upset strawman versions of actual women, minorities, and people who just aren't pieces of poo poo - you've stopped being ironically racist/sexist/whatever long ago. You're just plain a piece of poo poo. Most the time the people they think they're trolling are others of the trolling group running fake accounts, a fuckin ouroborous of suck.
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