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Efexeye posted:What difficulty did you play on? The hardest, from the start. I think because of the changes to combat (where it doesn't exist), ECO levels gone, lack of factions, and not having to worry about pirates, or bad fertilities, the game is quite easy now. On harder difficulties it takes longer to get supply chains rolling, but it isn't fundamentally harder at all. Zaphod42 posted:This is the biggest flaw with 2205 IMO. I'm hoping DLC can fix some of the issues (terrible think to say, to pay more to fix a broken game) but 2205 is very shallow compared to 2070 Deep Ocean.
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They should really add seed map generation in a DLC, I'd pay for that for sure. No telling if they will though, probably not I guess.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:04
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Just because it's easier and simpler/more streamlined, doesn't mean it's broken. I love it for the same reasons you don't. Your stance is subjective.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:04
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It's completely trivial to make a polymer factory and cover the island completely in buildings, trading for more building materials in the zone as you need them. There's no challenge or any decisions really, simply make a few rice and fruit fields and import all the rejuvs from the world market, build appropriate need buildings, and your income will be pegged at max for the entire game, even before you open up the arctic This works flawlessly on hard and thanks to not needing to build ships for trade routes and a shared inventory, there's no downsides to just covering the map and unlocking all the islands before even doing the storyline beyond the first dam. Bhodi fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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Nov 20, 2015 18:08
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If you didn't finish the Anno survey because it was too slow, it's much faster now.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:14
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Yes, if you deliberately delay the storyline until you max all your resources/supply chains, it'll be easier  CLAM DOWN posted:Just because it's easier and simpler/more streamlined, doesn't mean it's broken. I love it for the same reasons you don't. Your stance is subjective. The stuff I thought I missed when I first started playing- mainly micro managing supply chains at individual warehouses and building a fleet- is what I ended up really liking. It is a very different game than 2070, but they didn't like, close down the 2070 servers or anything. It's still there too boar guy fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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Nov 20, 2015 18:18
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it doesn't seem like something you should be able to do, is all. In the previous games it was prevented by the difficulty of having to pay resources to expand to other islands, plus time delay, and a real limitation of being able to supply enough materials from a different island to supply your main population one. With everything shared and you starting with the funds and availablility to buy 100% of needed materials, that's no longer the case so of course I built like a developer in a boom economy and quickly expanded to the center island! The trade guy starts out with something like 100 bots and polymers and they quickly refill.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:22
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I generally try to avoid strategies that are broken in games I paid $60 for. You can easily game the trade route system to save a lot of credits too.There's no 'wrong' way to play, though- I'd just rather work with the game than exploit it
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Nov 20, 2015 18:23
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Zaphod42 posted:This is the biggest flaw with 2205 IMO. Is biggest flaw is a release date that was too close to Battlefronts. I can't keep up wine production any more, had to start importing. Annoins, Annoites? drink too drat much...and use way too many cybernetic eyeballs for that matter.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:25
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Well yeah, you can always handicap yourself and deliberately not do what you might consider an overpowered strategy. But in a game about micromanagement and logistics you can't be surprised when players take the obvious and workable solution, there should have been a balance pass that caught and mitigated it, and early! It's a flaw in game design, IMO.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:26
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Selling everything you need on the market dirt cheap from the get-go is...an interesting design choice
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Nov 20, 2015 18:29
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Lorini posted:Has anyone made it to a million people yet? I'm only at 300K, a long ways to go. I made it 1.3M but then couldn't be bothered anymore: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3726406&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=19#post452466841 Still looking forward to the DLCs though. Vodos fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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Nov 20, 2015 18:29
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Bhodi posted:it doesn't seem like something you should be able to do, is all. Pretty much this. On harder difficulties in 2070 especially you had so many obstacles that you were forced to min/max. 2205 is a simplified experience, no matter how you look at it, IMO. I guess I don't like it because that's never why I played Anno at all, 1404 and 2070 was rewarding precisely because they were extremely complex economic/military simulators, and I find 2205 to be neither.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:44
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All the marketing says 'Thousands of hours of gameplay' so hopefully they fix the market to make stuff 4x as expensive or something
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Nov 20, 2015 18:51
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I could pour 50 hours pretty easily into a single 2070 seed, I think I beat the 2205 campaign on hard in under 10 hours, and I'm not sure what to do now.
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Nov 20, 2015 18:55
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Kimsemus posted:I could pour 50 hours pretty easily into a single 2070 seed, I think I beat the 2205 campaign on hard in under 10 hours, and I'm not sure what to do now. Play without the market  Artificial, sure, but you asked!
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Efexeye posted:Play without the market Believe it or not, I never used the market as it stands, I didn't really see it as an option until I was almost done.
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Bhodi posted:Well yeah, you can always handicap yourself and deliberately not do what you might consider an overpowered strategy. Anything above easy difficulty is handicapping yourself. The entire game is an artificial construction. Nothing is true, everything is permitted. Namaste.
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Nov 20, 2015 20:41
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Consider: Games do not exist
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Kimsemus posted:I could pour 50 hours pretty easily into a single 2070 seed, I think I beat the 2205 campaign on hard in under 10 hours, and I'm not sure what to do now. You continue to build your cities just as you would in the other games. I don't even see the "campaign" as a true campaign, just goals to work towards. If anything that would be the biggest flaw that they made in this game, that you are basically just completing the same objectives each time you start over but in reality it's not much different than the other games. You worked towards different goals but at the end of the day you were still building the same production chains over and over again. I don't see much of a difference here.
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SuicideSnowman posted:You continue to build your cities just as you would in the other games. I don't even see the "campaign" as a true campaign, just goals to work towards. If anything that would be the biggest flaw that they made in this game, that you are basically just completing the same objectives each time you start over but in reality it's not much different than the other games. You worked towards different goals but at the end of the day you were still building the same production chains over and over again. I don't see much of a difference here. Well, let's see, in 2070: 1) Different map seeds with different island/map size 2) Different eco balances/detractors 3) 3 factions 4) Varied AI 5) Varied 3rd parties 6) Diplomacy/military 7) Complex trade route setup 8) Research 9) ARK persistence 10) Upgrade system 11) Varied victory conditions 12) Multiplayer support on maps 13) Single faction Co-Op 14) Licensing system 15) About 25 game altering settings -etc- But other than those gigantic things, not much difference? 
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I prefer 2205 because it's simpler 
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Kimsemus posted:Well, let's see, in 2070: About 75% of this list hardly constitutes as "gigantic" things. The major difference obviously is the lack of AI. The lack of map seeds I already addressed. It's great that you can start with some pseudo random island, but at the end of the day it's not changing the game at all. 3 factions. What exactly do you call the arctic & moon zones? They are essentially the same thing. Different buildings that have different requirements. You're just playing them all at the same time, which you aren't necessarily forced to do in 2070. Diplomacy doesn't exist because there isn't AI. There's still combat, and honestly the combat in ANNO games is garbage and largely ignored by most people that play the game. Making it optional was the best decision they made. Research is basically replaced by the module system. I mean, you used research to build upgrades to your buildings. Your list is mostly just a list of minor poo poo that does little to change the core gameplay.
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Zaphod42 posted:There was a whole thing Will Wright said about videogames, "most games you play the game, like how you play a sport or play a song on an instrument. But with like action figures, you play with them. There's no set rules or game, you just come up with whatever creative things you want." yeah this is the difference between a game and a toy but in the word videogame is the word game.
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What about ARK Persistence/Upgrade system/Licensing system actually makes them substantially different/more gameplay than their replacements, the Corporation and Modules, other than the fact that they allow you to shortcut to the mid-game of Endless mode.
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The corporation HQ costs are certainly something. Going to be a while before I manage to fill all the module slots. Wish I hadnt built it in Wallbruck basin now. If only we could use transfer routes for workers.
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Nov 23, 2015 13:06
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Game's pretty, moon rules
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I never bothered to check; is it possible to break even on moon colonies? i.e, do the taxes cover the costs of the goods required to support the people? I've been thinking about building a huge moon city in that tourism crater, but I don't know if my income can support that and the huge corporate HQ I've got going.
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No, taxes are too low on the moon to ever break even - the basic buildings won't even fund a repair centre, let alone basic necessities. The moon is essentially just a place where you dump cash until electricity comes out.
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Granted, an unreal amount of electricity comes out. I don't think I have a single powerplant remaining in the temperate zone, and my Arctic zones each have a single Thermal generator around which most of the first housing was built. I've been playing this save on and off for awhile, whittling away at the various sector projects. Corp level 87, 767k population. Each of the Temperate sectors has large city areas with some Operators but mostly Executives (I still think of these as "Engineers" somehow) and Investors, as well as other limited-service housing areas I think of as the "Operator Zoo" and "Worker Slum." I'm spending a little over eighty-three grand on maintaining internal trade routes and producing everything with the exception of wine and beef myself, for those I pay a little over thirty-two grand to maintain a small surplus in Cape Ambar, my starting sector and where all Luxury Meal production takes place. I've finished all but the Lunar refugee sector project and the "totally-safe-iceberg-demolition" project, which I'm bouncing back and forth between now. I definitely find that I'm being limited in Lunar development by supplies of Magnetite, but not hamstrung. Generally speaking I can flip through moon sectors to find a quest that has it as a reward, buy whatever Lunar Refugee Insurgency Incorporated has up for sale, and click on the mines in the triple-crater map to get what I need taken care of, but without too much surplus. Military level 6, so I haven't needed to do more than a few combat missions in order to chase upgrade resources. I really like to play this game, to the point that I feel like there's something wrong inside of me. After I break 1 million population and complete these two projects, I may even start an additional hard corp (this is, uh, my third) and see what happens when one imports everything and just paves a whole sector in grid hell. Send help.
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LonsomeSon posted:I really like to play this game, to the point that I feel like there's something wrong inside of me. New thread title please
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I'm at about half a million with a level 11 military and I can't stop playing, either. Hopefully the expansion comes out soon because I'm probably going to finish all the sector projects some time this week.
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New deets on Tundra: http://blog.ubi.com/anno-2205-dlc-tundra-expansion/ Also wow, looks like Tundra and Orbit are both separate expansions: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.ph...2b268d189e7362f Sheesh
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Efexeye posted:New deets on Tundra: http://blog.ubi.com/anno-2205-dlc-tundra-expansion/ Abandoned underwater cities? I'd play an Anno game that takes place completely underwater.
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Cythereal posted:Abandoned underwater cities? I'd play an Anno game that takes place completely underwater. Ditto. Seriously, I would like that new 2205 content to come out yesterday please. Also, it seems the amount you buy new sectors for depends on your competition. Your competition slowly grows, which means what level of a corporation they'll talk about for another region grows, which means they'll ask for more money. And while there does seem to be some similarities between games (I've started three, so sue me) the corporations don't seem to always level up at the same rate/speed every single game so their can be a bit of mixing in levels.
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Alkydere posted:Ditto. Seriously, I would like that new 2205 content to come out yesterday please. Just making sure you're aware since I can't tell from your post, but there is no underwater content. Apparently the/one of the Tundra sector questlines is finding out why underwater cities (presumably meaning the stuff from 2070) were abandoned.
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Cythereal posted:Just making sure you're aware since I can't tell from your post, but there is no underwater content. Apparently the/one of the Tundra sector questlines is finding out why underwater cities (presumably meaning the stuff from 2070) were abandoned. Oh, I was both agreeing with you, and wanting more 2205 content. And yeah, while an entirely underwater sector would be cool (2070 kinda cheated by only having really cool looking industry under water, the Tech houses were entirely on land), the new sector's probably just gonna have a big ol' project. But since the sector projects are cool, I'm not exactly upset.
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Cythereal posted:Just making sure you're aware since I can't tell from your post, but there is no underwater content. Apparently the/one of the Tundra sector questlines is finding out why underwater cities (presumably meaning the stuff from 2070) were abandoned. According to the announcement, the underwater stuff is actually the sector project for a new Temperate sector which is free DLC in January - the paid Tundra DLC is another thing which is coming in February.
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