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Whip Slagcheek posted:It used to be 50 pounds back in the 90s. for real? christ how big were their trigger fingers?
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Two Finger posted:for real? christ how big were their trigger fingers? some gun board posted:When NYPD went from revolvers to Glocks really was the start of it. They used to start pulling slack and stage the tigger coming out of the holster. When they went to Glocks their guys did the same thing through muscle memory. When you go from a wheel gun with like a 12 lb trigger to a 5.5 that technique isn't the best idea. As a result many shot themselves in the leg on the outside portion. They also supposedly had some shootings where guys shot early or torched off rounds they didn't Intend. Then the good idea fairy struck and they required a super heavy trigger, hence the glock NY1 and NY2 trigger. who knows how much of this is myth but considering how hilarious nypd are when it comes to blasting fools i take it at face value
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Nov 24, 2015 06:23
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That's the public version of the story, but the real story is way way longer and more complicated than that. I'd write it up but not from mobile.
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Smiling Jack posted:That's the public version of the story, but the real story is way way longer and more complicated than that. I'd write it up but not from mobile.  get on one of them type writers then take a screenshot for us
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Nov 24, 2015 07:22
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Basically New Yorkers are incapable of handling firearms in any capacity without fuckin up
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:
Yes please!
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So how important is baton training for officers nowadays? I've heard that it's mostly fallen out of favor since the taser became a thing. Do any of the cops in here still carry a baton on the beat, or do you leave it on the seat? Also, same question for the brit cops (And Bernard  )
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Captain Bravo posted:So how important is baton training for officers nowadays? I've heard that it's mostly fallen out of favor since the taser became a thing. Do any of the cops in here still carry a baton on the beat, or do you leave it on the seat? Every* patrol officer in every agency I've worked with in Canada carries a collapsible baton on their belt. * except crusty old cops from the 70's who only carry their gun and one set of cuffs 
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Nov 25, 2015 03:35
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I leave it on the seat mostly. It does have many other uses other than beating people such as: poking deer to make sure they are dead picking up stuff that falls on the passenger floorboard adjusting vents on the passenger side breaking ice sickles off of my car or good old boring stuff like breaking windows, and pain compliance. I think the baton gets a lot more use in the UK where they aren't as free to use tasers as we are in good old 'Murica. I would say tasers are much more effective at immobilizing a subject and you can do it from 21ft or further if you have those cool long range cartridges.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:36
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Captain Bravo posted:So how important is baton training for officers nowadays? I've heard that it's mostly fallen out of favor since the taser became a thing. Do any of the cops in here still carry a baton on the beat, or do you leave it on the seat? At my agency we all carry them, but I couldn't tell you of any time they've ever been used. Most officers will use their pepper spray or taser to stop someone before they'll break out their baton. Much lower risk for permanent injury.
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Nov 25, 2015 03:44
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I've worked with officers who will always go to the baton over OC. Because you don't have to decontaminate the bad guy after you baton him. Plus it's usually a bit more effective. Not all the time, but usually.
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Nov 25, 2015 04:52
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Captain Bravo posted:So how important is baton training for officers nowadays? I've heard that it's mostly fallen out of favor since the taser became a thing. Do any of the cops in here still carry a baton on the beat, or do you leave it on the seat? Baton training is basically "These are the carrying positions" "You can stab people with it or hit them" "Go hit this dummy a few times" once a year. Literally takes less than 15 minutes with a full group of officers All front line UK officers are required to carry their baton as it forms part of their "personal protective equipment" under health and safety regulations I only really ever see batons being used on football days when there's a ruckus and fisticuffs ensue
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Nov 25, 2015 05:08
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the quintessential vision of the british police officer to me will never not be groups of them slapping their batons on their hands, marching at half-step and chanting in unison "OI OI OI!" while getting ready to beat the snot out of Mike-o fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Nov 25, 2015 05:16
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The days when the public was cool with you hitting a suspect with a stick, even when it's justified, are long gone. THE OUTRAGE. THE OUTRAGE I SAY.
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Nov 25, 2015 05:48
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Ya, I haven't hit anybody with a stick in what feels like ages.
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Nov 25, 2015 05:59
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that's not what your wife said
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Nov 25, 2015 06:00
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I miss the days when we could just crack a guy in the head with a PR-24 and the worst we'd get is some drunk guy in the crowd yellin, "DAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNN" This is a joke.
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Nov 25, 2015 06:01
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Whip Slagcheek posted:I miss the days when we could just crack a guy in the head with a PR-24 and the worst we'd get is some drunk guy in the crowd yellin, "DAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNN" 
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Mike-o posted:the quintessential vision of the british police officer to me will never not be groups of them slapping their batons on their hands, marching at half-step and chanting in unison "OI OI OI!" while getting ready to beat the snot out of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haNF0Z9fAQY
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Nov 25, 2015 06:07
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Mike-o posted:the quintessential vision of the british police officer to me will never not be groups of them slapping their batons on their hands, marching at half-step and chanting in unison "OI OI OI!" while getting ready to beat the snot out of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulhe59nYDAk
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Nov 25, 2015 06:24
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yeah i was actually thinking it was something i saw on the simpsons lol
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Nov 25, 2015 06:26
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was skimming posts, saw "pain compliance" and "leave it on the seat," somehow brain put together you guys were putting pepper spray on toilet seats so I have to ask, how often have you put pepper spray on toilet seats?
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Nov 25, 2015 07:38
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That's hosed up man. You don't gently caress with the toilet. 
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Nov 25, 2015 07:45
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Now, icy hot in underwear is a different story.
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Nov 25, 2015 08:54
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Fuckin with someone in the bathroom is like the nuclear option. Yeah it's on the table but if they gently caress your wife and burn down your house in response you can't really complain
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Nov 25, 2015 10:22
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A long time ago when I was an officer.. things were exactly as Hezzy described. Baton usually gets used for smashing windows and holding doors ajar while someone else finishes smashing them down. I bent a baton doing this and got an almighty bollocking. We have 2 types, the normal 21" friction lock baton, used to be a quality ASP one, then we got a poo poo Manadnock which was softer metal and now they have some Chinese poo poo where they stop locking out. The other type is a solid Public Order baton of plastic (or older wood ones) that gets issued to every Riot trained officer. The weight and length is issued based on your size and strength. I got given the largest baton  ...and never hit anyone with it. O, and mounted officers have some giant 3 foot baton that they like to use to educate students and football supporters.
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Nov 25, 2015 12:35
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:
I'm picturing a Polo mallet here.
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Nov 25, 2015 12:59
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 Here is an officer about to educate someone.
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Last time I deployed my baton was a few weeks ago.... ....to turn on a TV that people couldn't find the remote for and was too high for anyone to reach. Real talk, I've never struck anyone with my baton. I have deployed it a few times for baton locks and in a kubaton matter (thumbs on top of wrist, baton against wrist bones,push, instant grip breaker)
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Bernard McFacknutah posted:A long time ago when I was an officer.. things were exactly as Hezzy described. Baton usually gets used for smashing windows and holding doors ajar while someone else finishes smashing them down. I bent a baton doing this and got an almighty bollocking. Was the lovely chinese one a TCH baton? They're terrible, we either had a bad batch or they're just generally shoddy build quality. We have Monadnocks now, much better. When I worked for the Home Office, I had a MX-21 which was an absolutely dream. Basically just two really heavy pieces of metal that slide out and lock. Really satisfying racking noise! Bernard McFacknutah posted:
"TALLY HOOOOOOOOOOO!" JayKay posted:Last time I deployed my baton was a few weeks ago.... I've only ever drawn my baton for football, not had to hit anybody though luckily.
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I completely forgot about Occupy DC, a lot of officers were using their baton that day. I wasn't there. 
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Hezzy posted:Was the lovely chinese one a TCH baton? They're terrible, we either had a bad batch or they're just generally shoddy build quality. We have Monadnocks now, much better. When I worked for the Home Office, I had a MX-21 which was an absolutely dream. Basically just two really heavy pieces of metal that slide out and lock. Really satisfying racking noise! Might have been, I was lucky to have joined before those things came in. The last couple of OST refreshers I did had compulsory orders to bring your baton for inspection and basically they were telling half of the probationers that their brand new baton needed replacing while aging response officers who had ASP's for 20 years and used them for everything from smashing windows and penetrating colleagues to attitude re-allignment on minorities just shrugged and said 'welcome to the MET, by Asda,'
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Hitting people straight in the loving knees with a baton is pretty satisfying. So are phrases like "I aimed my strike to the meary part of the thigh bjt due to the suspect's continued resistance the baton landed on the outside of the knee, causing the suspect to fall."
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Nov 25, 2015 18:08
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Wow way to admit to doctoring reports no wonder people don't trust us!!
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Nov 25, 2015 18:18
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When did FTP transition to ACAB? It was FTP ten years ago when I was in high school.
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Nov 25, 2015 18:22
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I always thought ACAB was a British thing but I saw it a bunch with occupy. 
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Nov 25, 2015 18:23
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I think ACAB was predominantly Irish?
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Nov 25, 2015 18:27
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"I was aiming for his arm, but he moved so I hit him in the head. Twice"
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Nov 25, 2015 18:38
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Look man, all of you stupid islands are the same.
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Whip Slagcheek posted:Look man, all of you stupid islands are the same. Says the Slav
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