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The bungling with the refugee numbers and budget doesn't seem to be changing hearts. The LPC supporters don't seem too bothered about the changes and the extension while the anti-refugee crowd are now whining about the costs instead of the "safety issues." In other news an anti-radicalization center was inaugurated a few days ago in Montreal. Has the debate about the ethics of imprisoning homeless, mentally ill junkies who get convinced into clumsily building a bomb over? There has been talk about a centre like this handling a parole program for convicted extremist. Something like that could be a sort of middle ground between harsh prison sentences and out-patient mental health treatment. http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/montreal-anti-radicalization-centre-considers-prison-parole-system-for-extremists
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I think its funny how the Sun was all "Refugees? More like sneaky teerrorists!' yesterday, and then today its all "yay Refugees welcome to Canada! Here's a double double and some poutine!". The Sun is the worst.
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twistedmentat posted:The Sun is the worst. Water wet, sky blue, Rogers terrible.
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Ikantski posted:The NP article stated he's now committing to 15,000 government sponsorships with 10,000 private sponsorships instead of 25,000 government sponsorships? The campaign promise was 25,000 government sponsored which would add to the private sponsorships. Now it's 15,000 government plus the private sponsorships. This should be easier to explain than the middle class tax cut. Yeah this. I don't care if it takes longer than two months, but I'll be really disappointed if the number goes down substantially given even 25k is a pathetically small number for what a country like Canada could support. Albino Squirrel posted:http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/edmonton/alison-redford-chose-last-ranked-legal-consortium-for-alberta-s-10b-tobacco-litigation-1.3331001 Also this type of stuff is loving awful awful awful and should result in serious jail time but of course won't. e: I do wonder if it could result in lawsuits by the other two law firms though. Jordan7hm fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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crowoutofcontext posted:The bungling with the refugee numbers and budget doesn't seem to be changing hearts. The LPC supporters don't seem too bothered about the changes and the extension while the anti-refugee crowd are now whining about the costs instead of the "safety issues." Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Nov 24, 2015 23:54
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Good god Redford is the absolute worst.
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New Goon Project. Buying this.
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I don't have any worked book for tomorrow yet, maybe I'll practice my tasteful nude watercolors instead of the Skylanders my nephew wants...
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Think I'll have to pass on that one.
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Put it on display on the wall in the front reception area of the Foreign Affairs building.
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Ikantski posted:The NP article stated he's now committing to 15,000 government sponsorships with 10,000 private sponsorships instead of 25,000 government sponsorships? The campaign promise was 25,000 government sponsored which would add to the private sponsorships. Now it's 15,000 government plus the private sponsorships. This should be easier to explain than the middle class tax cut. It's the same logic, and it's mildly disappointing, but the difference between one tenth being government-sponsored and 3/5ths being government-sponsored is significant. The real disappointment is if this lowering of expectations extends into how many we take in over a longer period of time, whether this is the slow reveal of a new Liberal strategy towards refugees, or just an admission that they bit off slightly more than they could chew and promised more than was feasible for the time span.
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Oh look, Charbonneau commission's report is out, and would you believe that corruption in the Quebec construction industry is "far more widespread than originally believed"?
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The Dark One posted:Oh look, Charbonneau commission's report is out, and would you believe that corruption in the Quebec construction industry is "far more widespread than originally believed"? I believe that construction companies operating in Quebec are literally fronts for the mafia. Is it worse than that?
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AlouetteNR posted:It's the same logic, and it's mildly disappointing, but the difference between one tenth being government-sponsored and 3/5ths being government-sponsored is significant. The real disappointment is if this lowering of expectations extends into how many we take in over a longer period of time, whether this is the slow reveal of a new Liberal strategy towards refugees, or just an admission that they bit off slightly more than they could chew and promised more than was feasible for the time span. It's better than the conservatives for sure but I still would have preferred the more realistic party. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-chris-alexander-refugees-1.3235415 quote:NDP Leader Tom Mulcair has said on the campaign trail that a New Democratic government would resettle 10,000 Syrians before the end of the year and 46,000 by 2019. He has also stressed the need for more Canadian immigration officials to be on the ground in the Middle East.
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Well, 25k Syrian refugees by the new year is the first broken promise on TrudeauMetre, and it only happens to be the one that involves immediately helping people in need, so good job. Libs gonna lib.
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On the one hand, there's no way anyone could've anticipated poo poo going down in Paris and making the refugee crisis so much more politically complicated. On the other hand, Kafka Esq. posted:Libs gonna lib.
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Well, Trudeau said that the delay is justified because they "want to get it right." If we wanted you to get it "right" at the expense of real human beings, we'd have voted Conservative.
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It technically fits the definition of a broken promise but since they are actually making a sincere effort and it will only be a two month delay, I am inclined to not judge them too harshly about it. If February turns into June and only two thousand are here, then the chants of "Libs gonna lib" will ring a little less hollow. I voted for Kodos.
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Of all the things to overpromise and underdeliver this is like the least bad one and they're still much better than the official opposition.
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quote:http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-edition-1.3333596 I swear Rempel deflects everything, even when the hosts rightfully call her out saying Harper proposed the same plan, but somehow now its not secure enough for her. Goodale at least answers questions, albeit hiding from the tough ones.
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I seem to remember, although now I can't seem to find any articles online about this so I might be wrong, one of the major Liberal arguments during the election for why the 'end of 2015' deadline wasn't arbitrary and pushing it back due to security concerns wasn't a compassionate option was due to how much refugees would suffer in camps with poor conditions through the winter weather. I'm wondering if that'll come up as a criticism against them from either of the opposition parties now.
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Kafka Esq. posted:Well, Trudeau said that the delay is justified because they "want to get it right." The conservatives were proposing to resettle vastly fewer people, so no. Of all the things to get upset about, the Liberals adding a few months onto the timeline for bringing 25,000 refugees into Canada is the least my of worries. Edit: just saw the new timeline: 10,000 by Dec 31, remainder by March 2016. You guys are seriously bent out of shape because the government added 3 whole months? Jesus christ. M.McFly fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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That thing needs to be tagged, cause I'm pretty sure I just lost some brain cells reading that quote.
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Is that real? Please tell me that's fake and not real. You would have to be some sort of satanic individual to actually do that.
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:Is that real? Please tell me that's fake and not real. You would have to be some sort of satanic individual to actually do that. Your new friendly conservative party
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She posted it on her Twitter and is defending it now, it's real. Is there any basis to what she's saying? There has to be, no one can be that stupid. I have heartburn now. I think I need a break from current affairs.
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Ming the Merciless posted:There has to be, no one can be that stupid. lmao
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So, just to clarify, this is in fact what I think it is? The Conservative Party basically gave the Liberals a broken care and are now trying to argue that the Liberals broke it, yes?
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This is the article she is quoting in her defence: http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/the-liberals-deficit-claim-doesnt-add-up/ someone parse this for me, I'm having the tiniest meltdown and can't judge where the truth lies.
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:So, just to clarify, this is in fact what I think it is? The Conservative Party basically gave the Liberals a broken care and are now trying to argue that the Liberals broke it, yes? Republican Exit Strategy #1
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Ming the Merciless posted:This is the article she is quoting in her defence: http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/the-liberals-deficit-claim-doesnt-add-up/ someone parse this for me, I'm having the tiniest meltdown and can't judge where the truth lies. tl;dr Interest rates are worse and EI claims are up
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She looks like some sort of frightening being which cannot be adequately described by any language humanity possesses, and I should say that I take offence that you have forced me to view the projection of this being from beyond Hell itself into two-dimensional space. That thing's pallid visage shall haunt my dreams tonight. EDIT: Dear lord, it's trying to look straight into my very being! PT6A fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Did the average Conservative voter even truly believe in the surplus? I mean, at the very best I think that they would have only been able to produce a Technical Surplus...
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The CHMC is apparently to blame for that drop in "Other Revenues." There's also a bit of front loading of pension obligations for future years, probably because the Libs don't expect anyone looking at their books to seriously believe the Conservative surplus is truthful and figure they can bury a little bit of poop during the honeymoon period.
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:So, just to clarify, this is in fact what I think it is? The Conservative Party basically gave the Liberals a broken care and are now trying to argue that the Liberals broke it, yes? It happens whenever there's a Conservative -> Liberal government transition these days. The Conservatives say they left a surplus, the Liberals come in and say there's a hidden deficit, and no one's quite sure who to believe because both of those things play into both parties' hands. The Eves -> McGuinty handover in Ontario in 2003 apparently had a $5B hidden deficit, so it could be worse.
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vyelkin posted:It happens whenever there's a Conservative -> Liberal government transition these days. The Conservatives say they left a surplus, the Liberals come in and say there's a hidden deficit, and no one's quite sure who to believe because both of those things play into both parties' hands. The Eves -> McGuinty handover in Ontario in 2003 apparently had a $5B hidden deficit, so it could be worse. isn't this just revised projections though? Those change month to month, it was irresponsible of the Cons to announce they - would- run a surplus, that's not something you can usually figure out ahead of time like that, only check for afterwards. It was a desperate gambit for votes really. This is just nakedly partisan agitation, only really stupid to boot
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:isn't this just revised projections though? Those change month to month, it was irresponsible of the Cons to announce they - would- run a surplus, that's not something you can usually figure out ahead of time like that, only check for afterwards. It was a desperate gambit for votes really. This is just nakedly partisan agitation, only really stupid to boot From the Macleans article quote:Long-term interest rates are used in the valuations of the Government’s liabilities for employee pensions and other future benefits. While the total pension and benefit obligation of the Government has not changed, lower projected interest rates result in relatively more of these costs being recognized in the near term rather than the future. It seems like the Liberals are thinking (praying?) interest rates will stay low for longer than the cons or PBO were. They are the Toronto home buyers of political parties. It really is just partisan agitation, both for the Liberals to say the Cons lied and hid a deficit without saying what they lied about and for the Cons to imply the Libs spent 4.4b already. It's stupid. Even stupider is the constant pretending that a hypothetical small future deficit or surplus matters. Whether we subtract 1 or add 3 to our $600 billion debt affects pretty much nobody. In other news, Mulcair has done me a favor and told me not to get my hopes up for the 2019 election. quote:Despite losing his position as the leader of the Official Opposition and dropping back to third place in the past election, Thomas Mulcair vows to stay on as the leader of the NDP and fight the next election
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