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mcmagic posted:Am I really a dumb rear end for thinking that cops don't go to work wanting to kill a guy for no reason? You wouldn't say no soldiers are just in it for the killing, why assume that no cops are in it for the killing and beating?
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fishmech posted:You wouldn't say no soldiers are just in it for the killing, why assume that no cops are in it for the killing and beating? It doesn't matter if this is true or not because the problems here are institutional, not individual. That a kid gets shot is bad, but not as bad as the thin blue line covering it up. That's the problem that needs changing and the individual problem will clear itself up.
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Ron Jeremy posted:It doesn't matter if this is true or not because the problems here are institutional, not individual. That a kid gets shot is bad, but not as bad as the thin blue line covering it up. That's the problem that needs changing and the individual problem will clear itself up. Which reminds me to ask the question how the hell did the cops even know there was a burger king camera at all to tamper with?
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Nov 25, 2015 20:06
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I figure they know enough about crime scenes to be aware of stores that are likely to have views of certain areas and asked the BK manager if had such a camera just in case.
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Nov 25, 2015 20:13
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Boon posted:I've picked up on a trend in this election cycle that hadn't really been present, to the extend it is today, in previous elections. I initially chalked it up to just not remembering the full extent of previous primary cycles, but Vice has my back: Why would Republicans soul search if they still hold a death grip on the House and state legislatures? Trump/Cruz/Carson will just somehow be found to not be THE RIGHT KIND of Conservative
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Nov 25, 2015 20:16
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RuanGacho posted:Which reminds me to ask the question how the hell did the cops even know there was a burger king camera at all to tamper with? Burger King has surveillance cameras at pretty much all their locations, just like fast food chains in general. And it's not like this is the first time those cops were ever in that neighborhood.
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Nov 25, 2015 20:18
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Why would Republicans soul search if they still hold a death grip on the House and state legislatures? Trump/Cruz/Carson will just somehow be found to not be THE RIGHT KIND of Conservative Because in 2008 and 2012 the right guy was the nominee and the presidential game was stacked against them. This time there's a very real chance that the party is forced to back someone who is not only the right guy, but someone they actively despise
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Nov 25, 2015 20:24
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LOL if you think the GOP will ever do any soul searching; their politics is dictated by their inability to do any. Their whole platform is and always has been based on ignorance, greed, and a total lack of introspection. If they did any soul searching they wouldn't be Republicans in the first place.
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Nov 25, 2015 20:29
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Noam Chomsky posted:LOL if you think the GOP will ever do any soul searching; their politics is dictated by their inability to do any. Rah rah for our team and all, but I think that's a uselessly simplistic way to think of the values behind their platform.
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Noam Chomsky posted:LOL if you think the GOP will ever do any soul searching; their politics is dictated by their inability to do any. Their politics is based on what people want to hear. It just so happens that you can wiggle in tax cuts/regulatory cuts in with FREEDOM because people are too dumb to realize it acts against their own interests. What you see is what you get when they do soul searching. These platforms and policies wouldn't take hold if there weren't a shitload of people out there who didn't want to hear it. If this wasn't true then Trump wouldn't be leading in primary polling. It doesn't matter if he tells straight up lies because it's what people want to hear because Muslims are bad and scary and immigrants are rapists and are taking our jobs and those are facts to a lot of people.
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Noam Chomsky posted:LOL if you think the GOP will ever do any soul searching; their politics is dictated by their inability to do any. This is the dumbest loving post. At least you had the good sense to flag your poo poo post by punctuating it with the "Lol if you think..." Turns out parties have evolved continuously throughout our history and the fact that you think it's static is mind numbing.
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Noam Chomsky posted:LOL if you think the GOP will ever do any soul searching; their politics is dictated by their inability to do any.
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Trabisnikof posted:Rah rah for our team and all, but I think that's a uselessly simplistic way to think of the values behind their platform. I don't really think Republicans have any values beyond 1.) I want to pay less taxes. 2.) I don't want any of the taxes I do have to pay to fund anything going to groups I don't personally like. 3.) I want things in opposition to my religious doctrine, or what I conceive it to be, to be illegal. 4.) I am a big scared baby and I want the military and police bootheel on the neck of the "other" at all times. I don't see why you'd need to over-complicate this to explain their politics. Every single Republican I've personally known or seen speak or read about has cared only about all or some of these things, and not much else. Their views aren't exactly complex. Most political views aren't - they tend to either revolve around a desire to primarily help yourself at the expense of others or help others and probably yourself as well. It's not about teams; it's about one political party that has no interest in helping anyone but an already privileged few. I mean, I know there are some that want the GOP to be a "sane" party but I think it's amazingly naive to believe they've ever been sane or good for this country, post civil rights act.
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Boon posted:This is the dumbest loving post. At least you had the good sense to flag your poo poo post by punctuating it with the "Lol if you think..." I never said it was static. Also, I thought it was a given that my comment on any kind of soul searching the GOP can do was based on the political climate we currently have. I do not understand why you think the GOP would do any soul searching. What, do you think the voters, donors, and party bosses will suddenly change their political views? They'll just lie more.
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JT Jag posted:Eh, I think there's a place for a party of accountability, independence and cutting wasteful spending while still using the federal government to promote successful projects, but the only times the Republicans resembled that were under Teddy Roosevelt and maybe Eisenhower. Those aren't exclusively Republican ideas. In fact, they're the kings of wasteful spending and accountability.
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The GOP primary is, at the moment, a contest of who can pander to their constituents' increasingly insane views the most using racism, xenophobia, and economic conservatism. They have about as much direction and coherence as a chicken with its head cut off.
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On Terra Firma posted:Their politics is based on what people want to hear. It just so happens that you can wiggle in tax cuts/regulatory cuts in with FREEDOM because people are too dumb to realize it acts against their own interests. What you see is what you get when they do soul searching. This is all exactly my point. The people who want to hear that aren't going to go away and they're not going to vote democrat and they're not going to change their views. So, what's the benefit of soul searching?
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Noam Chomsky posted:Those aren't exclusively Republican ideas. In fact, they're the kings of wasteful spending and accountability.
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JT Jag posted:They're the mythological Republican cornerstones, though they aren't what the party has been about for a long time. I should probably stop posting here. People just misread and misrepresent what I've said and then quote it back to me in a different form. Later dudes.
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Noam Chomsky posted:I should probably stop posting here.
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RuanGacho posted:Which reminds me to ask the question how the hell did the cops even know there was a burger king camera at all to tamper with? After a shooting, one of the first things that investigators do is check nearby businesses to see if they have security cameras. Source: The First 48
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Rubio: Religion supersedes the rule of lawquote:“In essence, if we are ever ordered by a government authority to personally violate and sin — violate God’s law and sin — if we’re ordered to stop preaching the Gospel, if we’re ordered to perform a same-sex marriage as someone presiding over it, we are called to ignore that," Rubio said. "We cannot to abide by that because government is compelling us to sin."
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Isn't that exactly what people were scared JFK was going to be like?
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"If we're ordered to do things that no one has ever ordered us to do and which would be blatantly unconstitutional if they did, we can ignore that. But also somehow that means we don't have to sell gay wedding cakes."
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"Now let me tell you of the serious threat fundamentalist Islam poses to Constitutional rule of law in this country..."
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Noam Chomsky posted:I don't really think Republicans have any values beyond 1.) I want to pay less taxes. 2.) I don't want any of the taxes I do have to pay to fund anything going to groups I don't personally like. 3.) I want things in opposition to my religious doctrine, or what I conceive it to be, to be illegal. 4.) I am a big scared baby and I want the military and police bootheel on the neck of the "other" at all times. You're wrong and its a common mistake ideologues make on both sides. Young Republicans aren't out marching for those reasons, even if you feel you've described their values justly. Just like liberals aren't matching "for a handout, to destroy businesses and to enslave the white man" even if Freepers think they've described Democratic values justly. Republicans stand for the ideal that individual will should and can triumph over all, that morality comes from religious, that less government inference helps all, and a bunch of other wrong, but not cartoonishly evil things.
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Why does anyone think this man would be a viable candidate in a GE? This stuff would get looped over and over in attack ads and anyone who maybe doesn't subscribe to the idea that theocracy is just AWESOME would turn on him. Rubio's basically said that he wouldn't follow the law if he felt it came into conflict with God's law. Well, there's the Oath of Office out the window. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Noam Chomsky posted:LOL if you think the GOP will ever do any soul searching; their politics is dictated by their inability to do any. Somewhat true. The GOP has been a largely reactionary party for decades now but there IS a crude logic to why people vote R. Remember that these are often poor rural people who have been squeezed hard by the economy for quite a while now. Yes, it's not as bad as other groups have had it, but they ARE suffering and they're getting mad as hell about it (but lack the education to see who the real bad guys are). With this in mind take a look at each party's platform. (Remember, this is just how they are perceived and not objective reality) Guns: The last real form of power the poor have left. Liberals want to take them away. Republicans want to give them away at kid's birthday parties. Immigration: Illegal immigrants often directly compete with rural white workers for jobs in a manner similar to how tech professionals compete with people in India. Liberals want to legalize their competition and make the situation permanent. Republicans want to deport them all and stop much legal immigration as well. Religion: Arguably the last real form of community in America. Liberals love to poo poo on it. Republicans want to make it stronger. Race: Black people get all sorts of free stuff while everyone else has to work for a living. Liberals want to give them more free stuff. Republicans want to make them get a job. And so on
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Hey you know how sentencing reform had been an oddly bipartisan effort lately? Perhaps you were wondering what the catch is, in which case read on! They want to gut criminal enforcement against industry by making "we didn't know it was illegal" a valid defense quote:Now, as Congress works to turn those goals into legislation, that joint effort is facing its most significant test — over a House bill that Koch Industries says would make the criminal justice system fairer, but that the Justice Department says would make it significantly harder to prosecute corporate polluters, producers of tainted food and other white-collar criminals.
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Radish posted:I don't see how it would be possible to ever convict someone involved in white collar crime again (which I know is the point) as long as you weren't brain dead. I hope the Dems are smart enough that bill is just going to be some forgotten joke.
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JT Jag posted:Ponzi schemes would probably be the only exception. "I was unaware that future growth wouldn't be able to cover the investments of current members"
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Alter Ego posted:Why does anyone think this man would be a viable candidate in a GE? This stuff would get looped over and over in attack ads and anyone who maybe doesn't subscribe to the idea that theocracy is just AWESOME would turn on him. None of the GOP candidates are a good GE candidate. Rubio is the most talented and says the least amount of stupid stuff among them though.
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Trabisnikof posted:"I was unaware that future growth wouldn't be able to cover the investments of current members"
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Radish posted:Isn't that exactly what people were scared JFK was going to be like? Isn't that exactly what people are scared Muslims are like?
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Alter Ego posted:Why does anyone think this man would be a viable candidate in a GE? This stuff would get looped over and over in attack ads and anyone who maybe doesn't subscribe to the idea that theocracy is just AWESOME would turn on him. I think what a lot of people, including myself and others in this thread, are failing to recognize is that this is the first election in modern times where one party is perfectly fine with doubling down on playing to its base; making no attempt now or during the general election to gain any support from the mushy middle. In this election cycle, the GOP has convinced itself that the way to win is to turn out all of those mythical voters that didn't turn out for Romney or McCain. Nothing Rubio said will hurt him with that group.
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radical meme posted:I think what a lot of people, including myself and others in this thread, are failing to recognize is that this is the first election in modern times where one party is perfectly fine with doubling down on playing to its base; making no attempt now or during the general election to gain any support from the mushy middle. In this election cycle, the GEP has convinced itself that the way to win is to turn out all of those mythical voters that didn't turn out for Romney or McCain. Nothing The Combover Kid said will hurt him with that group. Right, but the point is no one is thinking past the convention. Mitt Romney didn't and it burned him in the end--all that wingnut crap he had to fart out during the primary to stay in the lead fed the narrative that he was a soulless monster who'd sell his own mother for an elected office. And none of it's going to matter if they can't stump the Trump, because their idiot base seems to trust the fascist crap coming out of his mouth more than they do coming out of the others.
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