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Tom could pull it off if the NDP purges all the party higher ups that are calling the shots and setting the party line. It could also rain gold from a rainbow making GBS threads unicorn over my house tomorrow.
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Tom Mulcair and the current orientation of the party are a package deal. I don't imagine the NDP could conceivably change directions in a significant way without dumping him. I'm sure he'll take some lessons away from the last campaign so we might get a better presentation of policies and a bit less emphasis on fiscal conservatism (maybe) but I can't imagine a Mulcair led NDP being anything other than a less corrupt and somewhat more progressive version of the Liberal party.
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Nov 25, 2015 17:13
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Helsing posted:Tom Mulcair and the current orientation of the party are a package deal. I don't imagine the NDP could conceivably change directions in a significant way without dumping him. Granted they obviously wont tack very far to the left, so the downsides are ...  Maybe hard to elect him given the current Trudeaumania.
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Nov 25, 2015 17:24
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jm20 posted:Granted they obviously wont tack very far to the left, so the downsides are ... We have 4 years of a Liberal majority. After the honeymoon, a couple dropped campaign promises, and some good old fashioned Libbing its possible for Trudeaumania to die with it. Then again, Canadians goldfish etc...
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Nov 25, 2015 17:46
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The much more radical NDP / CCF of the past was able to exercise a lot of influence without ever winning a federal election. Canada doesn't particularly need another Liberal party, especially now that it's clear that the actual Liberal party is not on the verge of being wiped out. My preference would be for an anti-status quo party that offers a stronger alternative to the existing parties by championing policies like free tuition or significantly higher taxes on the wealthy or socialized dental care etc., hopefully while also trying to develop a stronger relationship with workers organizations and activists. My (unrealistic) ideal would be that the NDP should not be a party lead and advised by people who go on to work at cushy political consultancy gigs or law firms. To paraphrase Tommy Douglas, mouseland needs to elect a mouse to lead it instead of choosing between the white cat or the black cat.
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I'm more interested in what the parties will do to try and keep or steal the new voters from this election. It's also possible that the large participation increase won't repeat itself next time. Maybe if the NDP positions itself well it could make gains in usually non-voting demographics like the Liberals did.
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Nov 25, 2015 17:58
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Does anyone believe that the Tories where really running a surplus without cooking the books?
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Nov 25, 2015 19:09
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Nobody who doesn't own Truck Nutz, no.
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Nov 25, 2015 19:15
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Both numbers were based on projections that tailored variables to suit a political narrative. It might turn out that the Liberals were more right than the Cons. But at this point it's like our politicians are accusing each other of having pissed off Zeus because the augerer saw an ill portent in the beaver guts, for all the relevance it has.
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Nov 25, 2015 19:37
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Am I crazy or weren't pension increase projections discussed here months ago about adding to the deficit?
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Nov 25, 2015 20:07
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Sedge and Bee posted:Both numbers were based on projections that tailored variables to suit a political narrative. It might turn out that the Liberals were more right than the Cons. But at this point it's like our politicians are accusing each other of having pissed off Zeus because the augerer saw an ill portent in the beaver guts, for all the relevance it has. The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion: The Problem Attic > Canadian Political Megathread: Interpreting Beaver guts
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Nov 25, 2015 20:37
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Frankly would have been a better title during poll frenzy in September. edit: we'll keep it in our pocket.
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Nov 25, 2015 20:41
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Professor Shark posted:Did the average Conservative voter even truly believe in the surplus? Yes, because the average Conservative voter tends to believe that "the Conservatives are the only party that understands money", which is actually code for "I personally don't understand economics at all".
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Nov 25, 2015 20:50
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I don't pretend to understand economics in the slightest but I know how google works, I can type the words "Canada federal budget" and I can divide 2 into 290.3.
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Nov 25, 2015 20:58
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Kafka Esq. posted:Frankly would have been a better title during poll frenzy in September. It's my go-to mental image whenever a projection or analysis or poll comes out and people treat it like objective reality.
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Nov 25, 2015 21:11
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flakeloaf posted:I don't pretend to understand economics in the slightest but I know how google works, I can type the words "Canada federal budget" and I can divide 2 into 290.3. So you can say the cons revenue projection was only off by 0.6% and if Trudeau's refugee projection was that accurate, our nation would have only slashed 150 government sponsorships instead of 10,000?
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McCallum just announced the government will sponsor 25,000 by the end of 2016. Which still feels like less than what we could do.
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Nov 25, 2015 21:38
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Sedge and Bee posted:McCallum just announced the government will sponsor 25,000 by the end of 2016. Which still fellas like less than what we could do. We could solve poverty in this country too but we don't. Humans are garbage.
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Ikantski posted:So you can say the cons revenue projection was only off by 0.6% and if Trudeau's refugee projection was that accurate, our nation would have only slashed 150 government sponsorships instead of 10,000? If by slashed you mean temporarily delayed, and also if the original 25,000 number had been based on the product of criminal mismanagement and a sloppy coverup then yeah I guess so.
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Sedge and Bee posted:McCallum just announced the government will sponsor 25,000 by the end of 2016. Which still feels like less than what we could do. Is this in addition to the 10k government sponsored or including? I was under the impression we would have 100k government sponsored refugees in total, but at this rate it is likely to be less than half that. I sincerely hope they don't back down from that commitment.
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UBC? More like DOUCHE BCquote:A suit filed in B.C. Supreme Court claims a former University of British Columbia associate dean of dentistry siphoned millions of dollars away from clinics set up to serve First Nations patients in Haida Gwaii. Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Nov 25, 2015 |
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Nov 25, 2015 22:13
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What is it with dentists?
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Sedge and Bee posted:McCallum just announced the government will sponsor 25,000 by the end of 2016. Which still feels like less than what we could do. Considering that Germany is taking in 6 - 8,000 per day, then yeah, we sure as hell could be doing a whole lot more.
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jm20 posted:Is this in addition to the 10k government sponsored or including? I was under the impression we would have 100k government sponsored refugees in total, but at this rate it is likely to be less than half that. I sincerely hope they don't back down from that commitment. Including. CBC says "Current numbers are 10k by the end of the year, 25k by Feb. 2016, and then 35k or more by end of 2016." 10k of the 35k are private sponsorships. So instead of sponsoring 25k refugees in 2 months like he promised, his deadline slipped a little and he's sponsoring 25k refugees in 14 months. I can't believe the Trudeau Meter douchebags are giving him a hard time about this, he's still keeping at least half his promise, he never said poo poo about bringing any in 2016. flakeloaf posted:criminal mismanagement and a sloppy coverup What is this?
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Ikantski posted:Including. CBC says "Current numbers are 10k by the end of the year, 25k by Feb. 2016, and then 35k or more by end of 2016." 10k of the 35k are private sponsorships. It's just listed as a broken promise. It technically is. They're not giving anyone a hard time about it. TrudeauMetre posted:It would appear we have our first broken promise... Given the circumstances, probably understandable:
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Weird BIAS posted:What is it with dentists? You can't kill people to demonstrate your power, so you siphon money from them. Like lawyers.
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Ikantski posted:Including. CBC says "Current numbers are 10k by the end of the year, 25k by Feb. 2016, and then 35k or more by end of 2016." 10k of the 35k are private sponsorships. I thought it was 25k a year for 4 years but I think I'm confusing the NDP and Liberal plan https://www.liberal.ca/liberals-commit-to-leadership-on-syrian-refugee-crisis/ http://www.cicnews.com/2015/09/canadas-political-parties-stand-refugee-intake-096067.html NDP: We will begin by accepting 10,000 Syrian refugees by the end of this year, in addition to another 36,000 over the next four years Liberal: Expand Canada’s intake to 25,000 refugees from Syria through immediate, direct sponsorship by the Government of Canada. We will also work with private sponsors to intake even more These promises are so weak 
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Ikantski posted:What is this? Harper improvidently sold government assets, slashed the annual contingency fund and mismanaged departmental budgets so that piles of money that ought to have been spent wasn't, all so he'd have a way to crow about a rounding-error sized "surplus". If that's not illegal then it damned well should be. Weird BIAS posted:What is it with dentists? Probably saw a chance to profit from screwing over Native people and decided to do the Canadian-est thing they could think of. e: jesus christ bunny I want to be more than a one-note "conservatives crooked" poster in this thread and you are not helping.
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^^^^ Sorta like that^^^ CBC reporting that the judge in the NL residental school class action case has found the the Government of Canada abused process for 8 years, delaying the case for that long.
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Ikantski posted:Including. CBC says "Current numbers are 10k by the end of the year, 25k by Feb. 2016, and then 35k or more by end of 2016." 10k of the 35k are private sponsorships. so we're looking at 50 - 60 thousand by end 2016? or just 35? either way not enough  I was hoping the 25k number was just short term and we would step it up as we went
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Police say telecommunications companies and other service providers -- such as banks and rental companies -- now demand court approval for nearly all types of requests from authorities for basic identifying information.
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Why can't they just go to court and get a warrant if they have evidence that a given IP has been involved in online crime?
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because they watched The Wire too many times and saw the "bad guys" getting away with murder and drug stuff while the noble police were stuck at the courthouse waiting for the bureaucrats to sign papers
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Aces High posted:because they watched The Wire too many times and saw the "bad guys" getting away with murder and drug stuff while the noble police were stuck at the courthouse waiting for the bureaucrats to sign papers There's a LOT of people out there that think crime has been going up for decades and a big cause of that is that "criminals have too many protections" and "the police's hands are tied". LIke back in the day we let cops be cops and fight crime, but now all these lawyers and bleeding hearts prevent cops from even investigating or stopping crime, and anyone arrested just gets let out on some technicality. They of course get this impression entirely from TV and movies and the odd anecdote. These people also of course take accusations of police brutality, corruption, or incompetence with a grain of salt because it's just more anti-cop pro-criminal propaganda from our bleeding heart soft on crime society. Cops only beat criminals, so why are people upset about criminals being punished? It's just like the drone operator guy. The cops are experts at crime, they're on the streets fighting the war on crime and no one knows better than them. So if they're beating the poo poo out of someone or trampling on someone's rights they have a good reason, they know the person's a crim. All the "innocent" people brutalized by the police deserved it, they just appear "innocent" because of the drat pro-criminal legal system and media. It's all propaganda and exaggerations as part of the coordinated war on police.
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PT6A posted:Why can't they just go to court and get a warrant if they have evidence that a given IP has been involved in online crime? I have personally done this exact thing. In about four hours, with no specific training on search warrants, I was able to figure out what I needed, type up the affidavit, draft the warrant, walk it to the courthouse, swear it in, wait around for a bit and then get it back from the JP. If you're literate and you're anywhere close to having your poo poo together, getting a warrant is no barrier whatsoever. I haven't so much as seen a gun in eight years and I could still probably bang out a passable warrant in under an hour. If there are exigencies that demand you get that information before the wait, like you're literally watching someone raping a child on live webcam right now (not a  example, sadly) then you call the JP's office and you get a telewarrant. Again, not hard.
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PT6A posted:Why can't they just go to court and get a warrant if they have evidence that a given IP has been involved in online crime? "Policing's so hard man, all this paperwork, I could be using my union-mandated overtime to spy on that bitch Brenda through her Rogers account if it weren't for this stupid 'privacy'."
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Aces High posted:because they watched The Wire too many times and saw the "bad guys" getting away with murder and drug stuff while the noble police were stuck at the courthouse waiting for the bureaucrats to sign papers This is a weird interpretation of The Wire.
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Helsing posted:This is a weird interpretation of The Wire. People thought Walter White was the good guy.
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