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Crimson Harvest
Jul 14, 2004

I'm a GENERAL, not some opera floozy!
So after that crazy wind, the weather has turned really lovely. Frozen rain right now in 99320/99353.

I don't expect any dirt trucks today, the first one of these is usually a huge pain in the rear end.

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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
Some 30-something hipster millenial from out of state is running for the mayor of Portland

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass
My vote is Kyle McLaughlin for Portland mayor 2016.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


So started following some Washington fishermen sites and boy goly do they seem to really dislike the native fishermen. Can't wait to start reading more into these politics.

beefnoodle
Aug 7, 2004

IGNORE ME! I'M JUST AN OLD WET RAG
Example link?

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Facebook state fish and game commenters on the official feed so most I'm assuming are just terrible people in general. Some of the more serious commenters had some valid complaints about commercial(that's the same everywhere) and tribal fishermen trying their best to shut out sports anglers.

It felt a little odd that people are willing to be so rude in what is comparatively a small community.

I had read other forums and while it was much more muted it still felt rather negative. As I understand it natives are the majority gill netters.

http://www.gamefishin.com/threads/gillnetters-file-yet-another-suit.45718/

An example.

If I'm wrong then that's fine by me.

Wanamingo
Feb 22, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
My dad's been a marine mechanic for most of his life and he really hates tribal fishers. :iiam:

herbaceous backson
Mar 10, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Wanamingo posted:

My dad's been a marine mechanic for most of his life and he really hates tribal fishers. :iiam:

I always thought it was lingering sour grapes from the Fish Wars:

quote:

The Fish Wars were a series of civil disobedience protests in the 1960s and ‘70s in which Native American tribes around the Puget Sound pressured the U.S. government to recognize fishing rights granted by the Point No Point Treaty.

....

Boldt ruled that Washington state virtually had no authority over tribal fishing; in fact, it was the tribes that ceded to non-Indian settlers the rights to fish -- not the other way around. The decision also would instate tribes as "co-managers" with the state over Washington's salmon fisheries resources.

For sport and commercial fishermen, Boldt's ruling amounted to blasphemy -- "special rights," they argued, that afforded a group making up less than 1 percent of Washington's population far too large a slice of the fisheries pie.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


I thought not recognizing treaties was the norm. How dare those uppity survivors of a subjugated society try to fight for what was theirs.

beefnoodle
Aug 7, 2004

IGNORE ME! I'M JUST AN OLD WET RAG
"...the WBGA is arguing the Department is required to provide a commercial gillnet season that provides a profit level its members find acceptable."

Sounds like a nice gig.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
title stolen for lf posting

beefnoodle posted:

a profit level its members find acceptable."
Commercial fisherman are frequently lovely people based on my experiences in socal. The fact that they thought slashing the necks of pelicans for "stealing their fish" was just and good says it all.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




I see a bunch of fishing/marine discussion. Am I the only one that raided Pacific Marine Expo for goodies? It was like trick or treating for hats, coffee cups, candy, and rulers. I unfortunately missed the lubricant pens. :( The beer is even free during happy hour!

SeaborneClink
Aug 27, 2010

MAWP... MAWP!
Man if you think that's bad, I hope you never find ifish :allears: those people are :downs:

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


SeaborneClink posted:

Man if you think that's bad, I hope you never find ifish :allears: those people are :downs:

The race undertones are new to me but I'm pretty familiar with angler vs commercial hate from the Bay Area CA. We just managed to effectively eradicate our pesky coastal native issue so I've never noticed it.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
Yeah, PNW fisherpeople are mostly ignorant, white, and angry about being proud of it. I've had them threaten to come to my house and fistfight me because I said that I thought it would be cool to take a picture of the plates and person of a poacher in the act, and then text them to the authorities. It's less about the fish and more about their cultural heritage as white settlers who feel that native americans are trying to take away their birthright. It was the same thing with the farmers in klamath falls being upset that the fed was cutting off their irrigation water to protect the remaining dregs of salmon, and they still blamed the native population.

It's impossible to impart the irony of a white dude claiming his family's 100 year-old claim on land as heritage, and how he then turns around and laughs at a native american who would like that water to keep the fish alive in the river that used to be there. Even if that farmer's an avid fisherman.

a rowdy mullet
Feb 12, 2009
Today's predicted mundane rainstorm unexpectedly shifted course and strengthened dramatically, 60MPH gusts are now predicted all over Western WA. Expect more power outages! :suicide:

WayAbvPar
Mar 11, 2009

Ah- Smug Mode.

Ideally the power at my office will go out, while my power at home stays on so I can go home early. Go wind!

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
Anyone that's ever lived in Kitsap county knows about this building, but the old Toys Topless building is going to be renovated into something nicer.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

That looks like an abandoned eastern european hog barn.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Multiple navy bases and no strip clubs? What the gently caress?

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
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Toilet Rascal

LingcodKilla posted:

Multiple navy bases and no strip clubs? What the gently caress?

WA state laws regarding those types of clubs are pretty strict, which is why everyone who wants to have a good time heads down to Portland, anyways.

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)

seiferguy posted:

WA state laws regarding those types of clubs are pretty strict, which is why everyone who wants to have a good time heads down to Portland, anyways.

Yeah, the same thing happens at Hump!, the Stranger's amateur porn festival. They can serve alcohol before, but as soon as sexy time starts, no booze. The state is not as progressive as people think and not as libertarian as people think. It's its own, beautiful mess.

v: Right on.

foobardog fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Dec 3, 2015

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

foobardog posted:

Yeah, the same thing happens at Hump!, the Stranger's amateur porn festival. They can serve alcohol before, but as soon as sexy time starts, no booze. The state is not as progressive as people think and not as libertarian as people think. It's its own, beautiful mess.

But it's our beautiful mess, if we could just fix the regressive taxation I could be mostly content, we're progressive in most of the important other ways.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

WayAbvPar posted:

Ideally the power at my office will go out, while my power at home stays on so I can go home early. Go wind!

I used to think like this. Now I work from home. You'd be amazed how much excitement that takes out of extreme weather...

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost
So is this proposal from Seattle Subway legit, reasonable and actually has a chance of happening?

I'm not an expert here, but it seems to me that any real, long term solution to our traffic issues is going to have to involve linking Snohomish and Pierce counties to Seattle. Am I missing something here, or is this really as awesome as it appears?

BlueBlazer
Apr 1, 2010
If the Sounder ran at proper hours it would solve ALOT traffic issues. I5 is a parking lot into Seattle everyday.

Last I checked every time mass transit tries to leave cross counties it's clobbered by petty bullshit.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Speaking of Gorst (since when is that going to happen again), I heard during a traffic report the other day that there had been a fatality accident on Highway 16 there. I don't know what happened but I immediately thought of that terrifying left turn you can take directly off of the highway at the bend.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost
What keeps pissing me off are the folks who are mad that this won't result in those living in Snohomish/Pierce counties giving up their cars wholesale therefore it's a complete failure. That, or "Everett is to rural and spread out for mass transit" despite lovely traffic, full Park and Ride lots and a popular BRT system.

It seems to me that you have to build the infrastructure before people will make changes, not the other way around. Then dense, multi zone development and so on.

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)

BlueBlazer posted:

If the Sounder ran at proper hours it would solve ALOT traffic issues. I5 is a parking lot into Seattle everyday.

Last I checked every time mass transit tries to leave cross counties it's clobbered by petty bullshit.

Now just imagine what happens when it tries to cross state lines!

Well, you don't have to imagine because we have the 20 year history of trying to bring the light rail to Clark County.

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

seiferguy posted:

WA state laws regarding those types of clubs are pretty strict, which is why everyone who wants to have a good time heads down to Portland, anyways.

also down here you can set up some video poker terminals so long as your place technically counts as a restaurant (hence why there was a skeezy as hell place near my old neighborhood which called itself a "love deli")

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

Ernie Muppari posted:

also down here you can set up some video poker terminals so long as your place technically counts as a restaurant (hence why there was a skeezy as hell place near my old neighborhood which called itself a "love deli")

Well and they're all restaurants because offering food service is an OLCC requirement for on-premises liquor sales

Ernie Muppari
Aug 4, 2012

Keep this up G'Bert, and soon you won't have a pigeon to protect!

LGD posted:

Well and they're all restaurants because offering food service is an OLCC requirement for on-premises liquor sales

yup!

just put all the skeez under one roof

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

Solkanar512 posted:

What keeps pissing me off are the folks who are mad that this won't result in those living in Snohomish/Pierce counties giving up their cars wholesale therefore it's a complete failure. That, or "Everett is to rural and spread out for mass transit" despite lovely traffic, full Park and Ride lots and a popular BRT system.

It seems to me that you have to build the infrastructure before people will make changes, not the other way around. Then dense, multi zone development and so on.

Everett always gets hosed on mass transit and I don't understand why. Although now that I check, it seems the new park & ride finally has a direct route from south everett to bellevue. Could've used that three years ago.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

Freakazoid_ posted:

Everett always gets hosed on mass transit and I don't understand why. Although now that I check, it seems the new park & ride finally has a direct route from south everett to bellevue. Could've used that three years ago.

No investment in transit, give me roads for free! :bahgawd:

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Freakazoid_ posted:

Everett always gets hosed on mass transit and I don't understand why. Although now that I check, it seems the new park & ride finally has a direct route from south everett to bellevue. Could've used that three years ago.

I always thought that Park & Ride situated in the space between NB and SB I5 just before the Boeing freeway was a really clever design choice.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

Solkanar512 posted:

I always thought that Park & Ride situated in the space between NB and SB I5 just before the Boeing freeway was a really clever design choice.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Yes. It's a clever spot, but I would have preferred they expand the eastmont park & ride, which is less than a mile away.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
I moved to Renton a few years ago. First I find out Jimi Hendrix is from Renton (and buried one block over from me), and just a couple days ago, Caro.



Crazy. Did anyone else know that?

For anyone who doesn't know, the short version is Caro's a civvie goon who bought himself some gear and flew to Libya to help fight in the revolution, and started doing actual no-poo poo medical field work and fighting on the front lines, and last we know was presumably taken prisoner by I forget who.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

I moved to Renton a few years ago. First I find out Jimi Hendrix is from Renton (and buried one block over from me), and just a couple days ago, Caro.



Crazy. Did anyone else know that?

For anyone who doesn't know, the short version is Caro's a civvie goon who bought himself some gear and flew to Libya to help fight in the revolution, and started doing actual no-poo poo medical field work and fighting on the front lines, and last we know was presumably taken prisoner by I forget who.

You forgot to mention the part where he came back to the US after Libya and decided it was so much fun, he wanted to go back for seconds.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

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Toilet Rascal
Speaking of famous people buried in the Seattle area, Bruce Lee and his son are buried in North Capital Hill at Lake View Cemetery (next to volunteer park). It's a neat site for some Seattle history to pay tribute to another Seattle legend.

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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhoVWbjoJUo

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