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Shifty Pony posted:It's like the Dave Chappell show. A disturbing percentage of the people quoting it just want to be able to yell the n word without consequence. OBAMA IS A *BOOOOOONG* What was that, Rushbo?! I SAID...OBAMA...IS...A...*BOOOOONG*
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Noam Chomsky posted:I know that's what they believe. I simply don't care. Those beliefs are incorrect. It being "morally justified" to support the Republican party, despite there being nothing moral about it, is not even what I've been talking about. You've basically said "Well, if you believe in what the GOP believes, then it's OK to be a Republican!" Who gives a gently caress? That's obvious.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Judge Posner tore up a bullshit abortion law, and although the SCOTUS won't be quite as colorful, I absolutely agree that the court isn't about to overturn Roe or Casey.
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TheQat posted:If you're gonna be named Noam Chomsky you should really rethink some of this stuff Not really. My original point was that the GOP wouldn't do any soul searching since it isn't in their interest to do so and that they're not really capable of it. Conservatism cannot fail, only be failed. The response to my statement was basically "But... but... Republicans are Republicans because reasons!" And, of course they are. If they became introspective and did some soul searching, they would probably find it more difficult to keep being Republican. Now, if they all did some en masse soul searching and suddenly decided to change their views in such a way as to be more palatable to the poor, minorities, women, LGBTQ folks, et al then I think you'd find they already have a party for people like that - they're called the loving Democrats. Never did I loving say that Democrats were perfect and good and always righteous. I wasn't the one who brought up the us vs. them bullshit. I do, however, believe that the right has no good ideas and certainly no ideas that help the average person, and I think you'd find Chomsky would loving agree with that since he is a loving anarchist, which is a political position way loving far from the loving authoritarian right - which is the end of the political spectrum modern Republicans typically loving occupy. So, I think you need to rethink some things. Thanks.
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JT Jag posted:The first and most important value in a debate is to argue in good faith. Even if you believe with complete certainty that you are correct, you need to be willing to assess the other side's position from their point of view. If you get too protective of your ideals, you'll never learn anything new. Because I come in here and say that the GOP has political positions that benefit no one but rich white folks, it doesn't mean that I don't "assess the other side's position from their point of view." What it means that I don't like their point of view and I don't see any way to change it. I wish I lived in this world some of you live in where you can show up and shine the light of knowledge on these people and they just change their loving mind. I think you're being very naive in assuming that having ideals means not learning anything new, and what is there to learn from your general conservative, who is generally wrong about just about everything and has been proven to be regularly. Huzanko fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Noam Chomsky posted:Not really. My original point was that the GOP wouldn't do any soul searching since it isn't in their interest to do so and that they're not really capable of it. Conservatism cannot fail, only be failed. The response to my statement was basically "But... but... Republicans are Republicans because reasons!" And, of course they are. If they became introspective and did some soul searching, they would probably find it more difficult to keep being Republican. Now, if they all did some en masse soul searching and suddenly decided to change their views in such a way as to be more palatable to the poor, minorities, women, LGBTQ folks, et al then I think you'd find they already have a party for people like that - they're called the loving Democrats. I don't think "soul searching" works how you think it does. There are multiple conservative people I know for whom I cannot believe any amount of introspection would yield any kind of leftward political movement. They have fully internalized those views. but the point was not that Chomsky would fully disagree with you, rather that he generally has well-thought-out, nuanced opinions--not overly emotional internet forum rants about "IF CONSERVATIVES COULD ONLY SEARCH THEIR SOUUUUULS." You should try to be more like him.
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In the primary thread we were discussing what post Alex Jones would have in a Trump administration. I said head of the FDA, but Press Secretary and DCIA were also strong suggestions.
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Joementum posted:In the primary thread we were discussing what post Alex Jones would have in a Trump administration. I said head of the FDA, but Press Secretary and DCIA were also strong suggestions. I was pondering that and of course it depends on what you want to accomplish as president, but from a spectators view I want him as SoS. Make the face of American diplomacy that psycho and I'd enjoy the probably short ride.
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the_paradigm_shift posted:I was pondering that and of course it depends on what you want to accomplish as president, but from a spectators view I want him as SoS. Make the face of American diplomacy that psycho and I'd enjoy the probably short ride. Ambassador to the Court of St. James would also be a strong choice.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I just wish SCOTUS would take the time to actually think about the law like this, but you know they won't. I think best-case scenario, SCOTUS limits the effect of the Texas law but upholds most of it, because Kennedy is terrible on reproductive rights. They're going to overturn the 5th.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:No one seems to blame the real estate speculators, only millenials who can't afford continuously inflated rents and mortgages. If you can't compete with foreign investors with cash offers well over asking prices it's because you aren't boot strapping hard enough.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Judge Posner tore up a bullshit abortion law, and although the SCOTUS won't be quite as colorful, I absolutely agree that the court isn't about to overturn Roe or Casey. Not this time they won't, although I do believe the Texas law will be at least mostly upheld. If a Republican wins the presidency in 2016 I'd say it's more likely than not that they take it all the way. Posner is not your average Republican judge. A Republican President would absolutely only nominate someone willing to overturn Roe. It would be especially important to Rubio, who I think is a true believer on the issue.
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Luigi Thirty posted:News: Why are you kids all choosing practical living arrangements instead of working yourselves to death to clean up our mess 
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fknlo posted:If you can't compete with foreign investors with cash offers well over asking prices it's because you aren't boot strapping hard enough. There's a pretty big push in the banking industry to be rather uptight regarding AML when it comes to those particular types of clients. Turns out stuff like the fines against HSBC and BNPP scared the hell out of pac-rim-servicing institutions and a lot of them are now quite handily disabused of the "plausible deniability" figleaf when it comes to "oh just my family over there all wiring me $49,998 each" stuff. Remember how there were a rash of huge drug money busts in south LA because people were using basically entire outlet malls to launder drug money? There's a lot of well-founded concern that the same transpacific money spigots (Mexican ones figured out they could just start up produce importer businesses) just switched over to real estate activity. Just tell the bank a lot of your tenants pay in cash and then deposit the money bag from the guy in sunglasses. It takes a lot of time and 314b action but eventually you have a strong case for stuff like pebble beach being waist deep in yakuza money and "car agencies" being used to tumble heroin money coming through China and SEA.
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Noam Chomsky posted:Not really. My original point was that the GOP wouldn't do any soul searching since it isn't in their interest to do so and that they're not really capable of it. Right. People forget that the GOP are simply avatars that represent their constituents, who are only growing whiter, older, crazier, ANGRIER, and more stuck in their ways. Yes, theoretically the GOP should moderate and become more inclusive, but their voting base is personally going in the opposite direction of that, hence the GOP ignoring Reince's 2012 autopsy and pushing even further right. And they are still very successful on a local and state level! So who really cares, even if it means they can never win the Presidency. Of course, there will be a national cycle one day when a lot of things have gone sour on a Democrat's watch, and a Republican might actually win the Presidency too. Hopefully not until congress has been un-gerrymandered and the Dems at least hold the Senate.
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Luigi Thirty posted:News: Did they just delete this off Facebook entirely? I wanted to see the comments shitshow and I can't find it.
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FAUXTON posted:There's a pretty big push in the banking industry to be rather uptight regarding AML when it comes to those particular types of clients. Turns out stuff like the fines against HSBC and BNPP scared the hell out of pac-rim-servicing institutions and a lot of them are now quite handily disabused of the "plausible deniability" figleaf when it comes to "oh just my family over there all wiring me $49,998 each" stuff. Do you have any links going into greater detail about this issues? I've never heard about this before, well, outside of HSBC.
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Joementum posted:In the primary thread we were discussing what post Alex Jones would have in a Trump administration. I said head of the FDA, but Press Secretary and DCIA were also strong suggestions. If I will not be governed, I will be entertained
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JT Jag posted:The first and most important value in a debate is to argue in good faith. You can't have a conversation or debate with someone when all they're going to do is gish gallop, switch goal posts, and/or ignore given information whenever they can't refute it. And all of that is common to see with R's and R voters right now.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:You can't have a conversation or debate with someone when all they're going to do is gish gallop, switch goal posts, and/or ignore given information whenever they can't refute it. And all of that is common to see with R's and R voters right now.
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Casimir Radon posted:My brother went to school with one of the suspects in the white supremacist shooting in Minneapolis. If you didn't have the personal photo, how would you ever know this wasn't a legit Al Qaeda pic?
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Are we really so different, them and I?
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Solkanar512 posted:Do you have any links going into greater detail about this issues? I've never heard about this before, well, outside of HSBC. BNPP: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/bnp-paribas-pleads-guilty-in-sanctions-case/ Pebble Beach (It's an old one but the method is the same just swap membership for tenants): http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/1993-05-23/a-japanese-laundry-worth-1-billion Laundering chinese drug money via cars: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/money-laundering-investigation-stymied-china-italy-says-n370341 http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/US-Secret-Service-Busts-Chinese-Luxury-Car-Smuggling-Ring-226789041.html http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmu...ehicle-exports/ Outlet malls: http://ktla.com/2014/09/10/feds-raid-l-a-s-fashion-district-in-drug-money-laundering-probe-2/ I know I didn't go into this, but there are these cool things called Geographic Targeting Orders: https://www.fincen.gov/news_room/nr/pdf/LA_GTO_Order9-25-14.pdf https://www.fincen.gov/news_room/nr/pdf/GTO_Miami.pdf https://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/pdf/SW_Border_GTO.pdf A GTO is basically the financial equivalent of turning on the kitchen light and watching where all the cockroaches go running off to. They initially seem innocuous - this one part of LA, lingerie shops, cell phone exporters in Miami, but the specificity is what makes it so mindblowing. The feds typically plunk these down when they've already untangled the process by which the fuckers are laundering as well as a good number of suspects, but want to mop up the little fish and throw a few wrenches into the machine. That last one? Armored Car services crossing through two named border crossings near San Diego. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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TheQat posted:I don't think "soul searching" works how you think it does. There are multiple conservative people I know for whom I cannot believe any amount of introspection would yield any kind of leftward political movement. They have fully internalized those views. So you're whining about his "tone" now? At this point I think people are just giving him poo poo because of his regdate, which is idiotic Here: gently caress the GOP and what they stand for. I hope that statement doesn't offend your delicate sensibilities.
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Luigi Thirty posted:News: Gee, I wonder what the gently caress happened in living memory that would dissuade millennials from sinking the money they don't have into something like that.
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*cuts education funding to finance a pittance in tax cuts for me and a fuckton for people richer than me* Gee why are all these lazy millenials living at with their parents and paying on their student loans instead of buying real estate to drive up my house value?
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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article45675894.html Florida Republicans are giving the game away. If tax revenues go up, it's a tax hike, even if rates haven't changed. So when Republicans call for supply side tax cuts, realize that even if their fantasy laffer curve worked, they'd stop demand more tax cuts as revenue rises.
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ceterum censeo Republicanes esse delendas i think i'm going to end all of my IRL conversations with that from now on
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For anyone in the Boston area: Michael Dukakis wants your turkey carcass to make soup with, and he includes his home address in Brookline to drop them off I will be doing this later today
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icantfindaname posted:ceterum censeo Republicanes esse delendas What an appropriate sentiment for thanksgiving, especially.
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Riptor posted:For anyone in the Boston area: Michael Dukakis wants your turkey carcass to make soup with, and he includes his home address in Brookline to drop them off He is literally Carl Weathers from Arrested Development.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article45675894.html Interesting ratchet effect there. Economy contracts: don't touch tax rates, government has to tighten its belt like the rest of us! Economy recovers: cut tax rates so revenue stays depressed!
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Good Citizen posted:Dear millennials, please buy us out of our overpriced property investments. Doesn't sound like they're asking politely to me 
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Noam Chomsky posted:Not really. My original point was that the GOP wouldn't do any soul searching since it isn't in their interest to do so and that they're not really capable of it. Conservatism cannot fail, only be failed. The response to my statement was basically "But... but... Republicans are Republicans because reasons!" And, of course they are. If they became introspective and did some soul searching, they would probably find it more difficult to keep being Republican. Now, if they all did some en masse soul searching and suddenly decided to change their views in such a way as to be more palatable to the poor, minorities, women, LGBTQ folks, et al then I think you'd find they already have a party for people like that - they're called the loving Democrats. You should really reread your Burke. While I disagree with Republicans on almost everything, your understanding of Conservative philosophy is profoundly limited and shows a deep lack of, well, understanding. Without recognizing the legitimate arguments in favour of hierarchy, tradition, order and security you fail your own cause, simply because you will fail to convince anyone of the merit of your beliefs. How can you expect anyone to agree with you, when you so profoundly misrepresent and misunderstand conservatism as a philosophy? The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article45675894.html I doubt most people in the GOP are supply siders anymore. The vocal end of the party just wants a smaller government that they can drown in a bathtub, ala Gorve Norquist. So basically anarchism/barbarism behind a smiling face.
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even if liberal-conservatism weren't a dumb ideology for idiot fuckers, the GOP left it literally over a generation ago. there's nobody alive in that party who even remembers moderate conservatism anymore. arguably it never really even was that, the classic American party system was based around ethnicity not ideology. but the bottom line is that at this point it's impossible for the GOP to turn itself into a European style christian democratic party. it's just not going to happen
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The Iron Rose posted:You should really reread your Burke. While I disagree with Republicans on almost everything, your understanding of Conservative philosophy is profoundly limited and shows a deep lack of understanding. Without recognizing the legitimate arguments in favour of hierarchy, tradition, order and security you fail your own cause, simply because you will fail to convince anyone of the merit of your beliefs. How can you expect anyone to agree with you, when you so profoundly misrepresent and misunderstand conservatism as a philosophy? Movement conservatism (which is the brand of conservatism that the GOP represents) is distinct from classical conservatism. Most of us don't even make the distinction when we are talking about conservatism within the context of US politics since all mainstream conservatism in the US nowadays is movement conservatism.
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the problem with the GOP as a liberal-conservative party is that they're not actually very liberal in the small L sense of belief in constitutional, representative government, individual rights and the rule of law. it's a party based around getting as much of what its constituent groups want as it can by hook or by crook, and if they have to go full fascist so be it
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article45675894.html
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JT Jag posted:Gee, it's not like they can use that money on things that need it or something, that'd just be like those tax and spend democrats
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