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Dead Reckoning posted:Has anyone seen the full Kunduz report posted yet? I assume it will be redacted in portions, but someone must have FOIA'd it by now. So setting aside mlmp08's excellent summary (which will probably be 100% accurate, just maybe substitute "PIC" and "removed from flight orders" for "NCO" and "reduced in rank"), all I'll say is that I'll be pissed when the gunship crew inevitably gets hung out to dry while the incompetent rear end in a top hat(s) in the TOC are inevitably given free passes. Plenty of blame to go around here but reading between the lines of the press conference it sounds like they're trying to hang all the blame on the gunship crew which is bullshit. e: also the fact that apparently a critical component in the C2 failure chain was that the gunship lost the ability to transmit/receive on mIRC and the ability to push ROVER really says everything that needs to be said about our ability to operate in anything close to a denied environment. iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Nov 26, 2015 08:03
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iyaayas01 posted:Plenty of blame to go around here but reading between the lines of the press conference it sounds like they're trying to hang all the blame on the gunship crew which is bullshit. I dunno, it sounded like there will be plenty of deep dicking to go around: quote:Another chance to catch the mistake was missed when the aircrew transmitted to their operational headquarters at Bagram Airfield that they were about to engage the building. “They provided the coordinates for the [Doctors Without Borders] trauma center as their target,” the general said. “The headquarters was aware of the coordinates for the ... trauma center and had access to the no-strike list, but did not realize that the grid coordinates for the target matched a location on the no-strike list or that the aircrew was preparing to fire on the hospital.”
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Nov 26, 2015 08:37
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Dead Reckoning posted:I dunno, it sounded like there will be plenty of deep dicking to go around: Yeah I read a more detailed account that you posted in another thread after I posted that, they might actually spread it around a little more equitably
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Nov 26, 2015 08:44
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NightGyr posted:I'd imagine if you have some anti-IR jamming capability, pointing it at enemy fighters would be an off-label usage to gently caress with people you're not supposed to be shooting at.
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Nov 26, 2015 10:00
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iyaayas01 posted:the gunship lost the ability to transmit/receive on mIRC Did an @op /kick them from #war?  Seriously I can't Google this, what is this?
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Nov 26, 2015 10:15
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The U.S. Military failed to develop a safe and convenient communication system that could be used broadly, so now they do a lot of IRC over secure networks.
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Nov 26, 2015 10:27
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Yup, they literally just ported mIRC over onto SIPRNET (US military's classified network) and now it's used to communicate in real-time securely. Unsurprisingly it also entails lots of dick and poop jokes, shameless awkward flirting as soon as a user is outed as a woman, and then occasionally in the middle of that someone will pass a nine-line for a plane to drop a bomb on some guy. There's also ways to have connectivity to/from a flying airplane, so it's entirely common for aircrew to be communicating with guys on the ground/C2 centers/other planes/etc via mIRC while flying. Godholio has some stories about this IIRC.
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Nov 26, 2015 11:38
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Holy poo poo, mIRC on a plane has just blown my mind. Do they DCC send things across when they need to do file updates? Can they get a custom hostname on the server? I have to know!
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Nov 26, 2015 12:16
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do you guys have bots
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Nov 26, 2015 12:52
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Forums Terrorist posted:do you guys have bots
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Nov 26, 2015 12:54
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truly snowden's greatest crime
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Nov 26, 2015 13:07
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B4Ctom1 posted:I am curious to see what happens when a TOW hits an S-400. Shouldn't think we'll have to wait long... 
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Nov 26, 2015 14:25
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standard.deviant posted:We used to, but then an evil IT guy handed the entire contents of NSAnet to Russia so we aren't allowed to have fun anymore. I miss the CENTCOM quiz-bots.
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Nov 26, 2015 15:10
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iyaayas01 posted:Yup, they literally just ported mIRC over onto SIPRNET (US military's classified network) and now it's used to communicate in real-time securely. Unsurprisingly it also entails lots of dick and poop jokes, shameless awkward flirting as soon as a user is outed as a woman, and then occasionally in the middle of that someone will pass a nine-line for a plane to drop a bomb on some guy. This is basically the best thing about the military I've ever read.
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Nov 26, 2015 16:16
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iyaayas01 posted:Yup, they literally just ported mIRC over onto SIPRNET (US military's classified network) and now it's used to communicate in real-time securely. Unsurprisingly it also entails lots of dick and poop jokes, shameless awkward flirting as soon as a user is outed as a woman, and then occasionally in the middle of that someone will pass a nine-line for a plane to drop a bomb on some guy. In most planes it's an incredibly janky kludge with a standalone laptop hooked into a SATCOM modem. It drops connection all the time and is a huge pain in the rear end to set up and maintain, but we do it because all the ground C2 agencies use it for everything and it's the only way to play.
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Nov 26, 2015 17:17
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iyaayas01 posted:Yup, they literally just ported mIRC over onto SIPRNET (US military's classified network) and now it's used to communicate in real-time securely. Unsurprisingly it also entails lots of dick and poop jokes, shameless awkward flirting as soon as a user is outed as a woman, and then occasionally in the middle of that someone will pass a nine-line for a plane to drop a bomb on some guy. Until Snowden ruined things please tell me every channel had a buttbot.
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Nov 26, 2015 18:37
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Wingnut Ninja posted:In most planes it's an incredibly janky kludge with a standalone laptop hooked into a SATCOM modem. It drops connection all the time and is a huge pain in the rear end to set up and maintain, but we do it because all the ground C2 agencies use it for everything and it's the only way to play. Absolutely true. AWACS' first chat setup included about a 10" dildo-shaped antenna (the dongtenna) that was stuck out through the sextant port behind the flight deck. From there, about 30" of cable connected it to the various devices used from encryption/processing which were mounted on the second bank of radar scopes, then sent to a laptop on the front bank (where the controllers sit). For a while there was another laptop on the second bank (for crew leadership) and another on the rear bank (for the surveillance techs). Then Boeing threw a fit over these laptops overloading the aircraft's electrical system, and two of the laptops went away (but one came back later). Our mIRC familiarization training explicitly said not to slap users with a fish.
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Nov 26, 2015 19:53
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Army mIRC and major joint chat rooms have typically been highly policed to the point of getting damned phone calls if you capitalize things wrong. I leave the shelter for thirty seconds and come back to a phone call blowing me up because the trout slap is not an authorized function. Thanks, PFC asshat.
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Nov 26, 2015 19:59
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Wingnut Ninja posted:In most planes it's an incredibly janky kludge with a standalone laptop hooked into a SATCOM modem. It drops connection all the time and is a huge pain in the rear end to set up and maintain, but we do it because all the ground C2 agencies use it for everything and it's the only way to play. Godholio posted:Absolutely true. I didn't say there was a GOOD way to have connectivity from a plane, just that there was a way And yeah, truth in advertising like everything the military touches a lot of the fun has been sucked out of mIRC broadly speaking. Although I've still seen some shenanigans in some of the RPA specific chat rooms because there's not a lot of outside users and everyone in the community hates their lives so might as well have a little fun. But I'm fully expecting that to be the next victim of the Great Welsh 1-1 Cultural Revolution of 2015 (not to be confused with the Great Welsh Professionalism Purge of 2012)
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Nov 26, 2015 20:25
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iyaayas01 posted:I didn't say there was a GOOD way to have connectivity from a plane, just that there was a way It actually got a lot better. After a couple of years they removed the unused IBS antenna and replaced it with a dedicated antenna for this sort of thing. Connectivity is significantly better than it used to be, too.
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Nov 26, 2015 20:28
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Godholio posted:Our mIRC familiarization training explicitly said not to slap users with a fish. :cryingcurtislemay:
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Nov 26, 2015 20:39
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mlmp08 posted:Army mIRC and major joint chat rooms have typically been highly policed to the point of getting damned phone calls if you capitalize things wrong. Oh, Military. You make such simple things so hard. Also: to every Canadian who is worried about the national shipbuilding strategy, I have an emoticon for you:  No seriously its  quote:Shipbuilding strategy needs work to get ballooning costs under control, ministers told http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/shipbuilding-procurement-action-plan-1.3336604 PS> Austerity made the UK scrap its fleet of ASW aircraft?!
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Nov 26, 2015 20:49
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Consider the source obviously, but there is some interesting stuff here: http://anonhq.com/40550-2/
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Nov 26, 2015 20:54
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Nov 26, 2015 20:57
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lol yup. The 2010 cuts included the UK getting rid of its entire fleet of Nimrods, because as an island nation why would you want any sort of maritime patrol/ASW aircraft? This included them sending newly refurbished MRA4s direct to the scrappers. They just announced they're buying a handful of P-8s....so if previous MoD procurement of US systems is to be used as a yardstick these will probably be ready to enter service sometime in 2030 but they'll only do so with limited daylight only capability and won't be capable of flying higher than 1,000 feet.
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Nov 26, 2015 20:57
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Austerity in the UK is both completely unneeded and hilariously damaging to just about everything.
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iyaayas01 posted:lol yup. The 2010 cuts included the UK getting rid of its entire fleet of Nimrods, because as an island nation why would you want any sort of maritime patrol/ASW aircraft? That was the same Defence Review that hosed up the RN's carrier plans by retiring the Harrier immediately instead of leaving it in service until the JSF force came online (note this was before it was obvious just how hosed the 35B program was) to provide continuity of fixed-wing air operations. A few months later Libya happened, and all they could fly from H.M.S. Ocean was a few Army Apaches.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:01
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Nov 26, 2015 21:08
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Propagandalf posted:lol Corbyn Yeah, he's kinda dumb.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:16
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B4Ctom1 posted:Consider the source obviously, but there is some interesting stuff here: I'm deeply suspicious of that 2,244 number, because airspace in the Agean is all kinds of hosed up. I'm wondering how many of those "incursions" were in the 4 nm belt of national airspace beyond their territorial waters that the Greeks claim, but that the Turks don't recognize.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:18
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Dead Reckoning posted:Here's the non-Anon source. (RT, I know, not much better.) Putin's Russia and Erdogan's Turkey deserve each other.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:21
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the rule of thumb with politicians is good domestic/foreign policy, pick one would you rather the brits actually had a non-token military from ditching austerity or for them to bomb syria with a lonely worn-out eurofighter
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Nov 26, 2015 21:25
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Yes. Ever since 2011, the Royal Navy has called the French Navy to send an Atlantique 2 over Lossiemouth to open the way every time one of the British subs departs from or arrives to Faslane. It's hilarious. This is from the same wellspring of good decisions that saw, well, pretty much everything related to the CVF carriers. Forums Terrorist posted:the rule of thumb with politicians is good domestic/foreign policy, pick one Fixed.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:25
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iyaayas01 posted:I didn't say there was a GOOD way to have connectivity from a plane, just that there was a way one time back in my big air force days we had a sperglord 14N 2LT who made a whole script simulating some kind of countdown and nuclear strike nonsense that spammed up the Wing Ops chatroom for like 5 minutes straight.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:31
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Cat Mattress posted:Yes. Ever since 2011, the Royal Navy has called the French Navy to send an Atlantique 2 over Lossiemouth to open the way every time one of the British subs departs from or arrives to Faslane. It's hilarious. Holy poo poo.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:41
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MrYenko posted:Holy poo poo. I hope the French charge a fuckton per hour for that plane. lol
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Nov 26, 2015 21:59
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iyaayas01 posted:Yup, they literally just ported mIRC over onto SIPRNET (US military's classified network) and now it's used to communicate in real-time securely. Unsurprisingly it also entails lots of dick and poop jokes, shameless awkward flirting as soon as a user is outed as a woman, and then occasionally in the middle of that someone will pass a nine-line for a plane to drop a bomb on some guy. Kind of odd they'd go for the non-opensource client made by a guy of palestinian-syrian origin. 
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uncleTomOfFinland posted:Kind of odd they'd go for the non-opensource client made by a guy of palestinian-syrian origin. Nah I'm sure it was purchased from a minority veteran owned company.
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iyaayas01 posted:lol yup. The 2010 cuts included the UK getting rid of its entire fleet of Nimrods, because as an island nation why would you want any sort of maritime patrol/ASW aircraft? I'm just - really can't maek words about how stupid this is honestly, I thought we'd plumbed the depths of modern procurement idiocy in this thread.
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