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Even if Ma-Ma can be considered insane, what drove her mad? Why isn't Dredd fighting the systems that turn people into 'mad' killers? Funny how the person who's saying 'Superman isn't political' will happily express totally apolitical ideas like 'why don't people just buck up and become a janitor?'
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ImpAtom posted:Recall that surrendering puts you into an 'iso-cube.' They are cut off from the world and forced to iive in terrifying isolation until their inevitable death (except in the rare cases they get out but you only have to listen to the sentencing requirements to know how bullshit that is.) It's the same impact as the drugs have on someone that MaMa kills only more sanitized. That is part of why Dredd killing her is done with the drug.
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Nov 26, 2015 20:28
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Spoken like a true Superman.
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Nov 26, 2015 20:34
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Baron Bifford posted:Well, she brought it on herself by being a murderer. Dredd is a murderer.
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Nov 26, 2015 20:36
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CelticPredator posted:One of Dredd's themes is violence perpetuating violence. A cycle that never ends. CelticPredator posted:Ma-Ma was brought up in a violent world, and the only way she could survive was by being violent. CelticPredator posted:Dredd doesn't want to help her once he has her in custody. He just chucks her out a window so she can splatter on the ground floor of her empire.
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Nov 26, 2015 20:40
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Okay, now I see why you got the mod challenge.
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Nov 26, 2015 20:42
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I fail to see, Baron, what your point is re: Ma-Ma. Are you disputing that social systems are shackles? That violence doesn't beget violence? That humans are born innocent? If you clarified that might be helpful. Sorry if this seems like you're being piled on but I am genuinely curious.
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Nov 26, 2015 20:48
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Baron Bifford posted:Why should he? She's pretty much gone. An agent of the State has a person in custody and is in control. Why shouldn't they just chuck them of the side of a building?
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Nov 26, 2015 20:50
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She committed capital offenses and was sentenced to death, and the execution was carried out immediately as is Mega-City One custom. The Slo-Mo was a bit much, I admit.
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Nov 26, 2015 20:52
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Spoiler: Mega City 1 has bad and uncool customs.
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Nov 26, 2015 20:53
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My memory is s bit vague but I recall Baron getting real confused in the Amazing Spider-Man thread from however many years ago about why Flash Thompson didn't pull a knife on Spider-Man or whatever after getting clowned on the basketball court, since he was a bully and that's what a bully would do in response to humiliation. Holding a sympathetic perspective on the potential for rehabilitation in criminal types isn't really homeboy's strong suit
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Nov 26, 2015 20:54
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Baron Bifford posted:She committed capital offenses and was sentenced to death, and the execution was carried out immediately as is Mega-City One custom. The Slo-Mo was a bit much, I admit. You are not intended to think Mega City 1 is a good or right thing.
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You know, this conversation reminds me of an old Superman comic...   Jenny Angel posted:My memory is s bit vague but I recall Baron getting real confused in the Amazing Spider-Man thread from however many years ago about why Flash Thompson didn't pull a knife on Spider-Man or whatever after getting clowned on the basketball court, since he was a bully and that's what a bully would do in response to humiliation. Holding a sympathetic perspective on the potential for rehabilitation in criminal types isn't really homeboy's strong suit I'm having a ball here. I thought you guys were fed up with me, but now you're dredging up all these old threads. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Nov 26, 2015 |
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Nov 26, 2015 21:01
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A captured criminal points out that the problem is systemic. Bifford's response: "I guess some people are okay to kill." Wait, you're having a ball? You literally enjoy being wrong? Weird how I haven't given up on you instead of resigning you to your fate. I guess one of us actually understands Superman.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:06
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Baron stop Just stop For the love of Christ
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Nov 26, 2015 21:11
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Goons just don't know how to let go.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:13
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Ok I'll stop.
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Hbomberguy, I really appreciate what you're trying to do, but I feel like it isn't for the best, or even appreciated by those who should.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:15
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Baron Bifford posted:Goons just don't know how to let go. helluva defense mechanism.
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Nov 26, 2015 21:20
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Baron Bifford posted:Goons just don't know how to let go. People on the Internet remember you. Success! Even if they remember you as a moron!
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Nov 26, 2015 21:49
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To be fair, I'm surprised BB managed to restrain himself from complaining about the lack of tactical realism in these movies, so I guess that's progress?
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Baron Bifford posted:Nice essay, but am I the only one here who references filmmaker interviews and production diaries to understand what the filmmakers really intended to say? All the same, "what someone intends isn't necessarily what they end up doing" is so basic a concept it's barely worth mentioning. A storyteller is influenced and conditioned by all sorts of outside forces, and a story is even bigger than its teller. Haven't you ever experienced a story differently than its teller did? That trick-rear end Rowling can try to as much as she wants to convince me that Snape is courageous, but it's still not gonna be true. Moreover, examining films outside of the vacuum-like confines of a filmmaker's intent can reinforce various themes and subtexts that you've already noticed. It's no coincidence that all of the Sandler essays so far have remarked on themes of social status and behavior codes. Sandler's films are thick with social commentary, on his projected self-image of a middle-class man struggling against institutional challenges; there are many other filmmakers I could name that could hardly stand to give a poop about that, but Sandler clearly does, wittingly or not, and that's not something you'll find in any interviews or production diaries. Not all subtext is positive, either. There are a lot of lovely subtexts in a lot of films that send problematic messages you wouldn't think to find if you took them at face value.
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Nov 27, 2015 01:12
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Hbomberguy posted:I am not singling you out. I want everyone to contribute their favourite symbol from the film. I loving love Dredd's opening. I love how it's the standard action movie opening, some low level goons doing some stuff, and Dredd kills them. But it's Dredd that creates the situation. His very presence escalates and exacerbates the issue. Instead of him buying some beer and having to foil a robbery, they were driving while high, and then Dredd show's up. It's a simple reversal of how the scene usually plays. To cap it off, he's brought in by the chief, who, instead of yelling "you wrecked half the city, you goddamn loose cannon" she just gives him another assignment. The 80s action heroes played by Stallone, Arnie, Bosworth and so on have become the norm. It's bloody brilliant.
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Nov 27, 2015 05:28
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Baron Bifford posted:She had her chance... to surrender. As did Dredd. Almost like there's some kind of deliberate parallel made between the characters.
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Is it still plagiarism if Bifford didn't cite any of their sources? vv That is secretly what I'm getting at, shh Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 06:26
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Isn't it essentially plagiarism to write only in terms of what someone else wrote or said about their own films, and make no original contributions?
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Nov 27, 2015 06:29
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Oh gently caress you.
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This is both the best and most frustrating mod challenge I've ever read
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Skizzzer posted:That violence doesn't beget violence? Hbomberguy posted:Why isn't Dredd fighting the systems that turn people into 'mad' killers? Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 10:21
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Baron Bifford posted:Every gangster that Dredd kills is a cycle of violence ended. you literally do not understand the words you are saying, holy poo poo
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Nov 27, 2015 10:29
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Baron Bifford posted:Every gangster that Dredd kills is a cycle of violence ended. And how many more cycles do you think get started daily in Mega City 1? And how many get started due to Dredd's direct influence?
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Nov 27, 2015 10:32
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Grendels Dad posted:And how many more cycles do you think get started daily in Mega City 1? And how many get started due to Dredd's direct influence?
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Baron Bifford posted:I don't know. The movie doesn't explore that. Do you think the baby Dredd and Anderson orphaned will grow up to be a healthy and productive member of society? Or will it amount to just another cycle of violence ended?
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Nov 27, 2015 10:36
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Grendels Dad posted:Do you think the baby Dredd and Anderson orphaned will grow up to be a healthy and productive member of society?
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Nov 27, 2015 10:39
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This is amazing commitment to a gimmick.
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Snowman_McK posted:I loving love Dredd's opening. I love how it's the standard action movie opening, some low level goons doing some stuff, and Dredd kills them. But it's Dredd that creates the situation. His very presence escalates and exacerbates the issue. Instead of him buying some beer and having to foil a robbery, they were driving while high, and then Dredd show's up. It's a simple reversal of how the scene usually plays. To cap it off, he's brought in by the chief, who, instead of yelling "you wrecked half the city, you goddamn loose cannon" she just gives him another assignment.
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Baron Bifford posted:Probably not. But it's not Dredd's fault that daddy tried to be a Judge-killer. Daddy tried to be a Judge-killer because Mama would have flayed him and his family if he refused.
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Nov 27, 2015 11:07
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Still not Dredd's fault, then.
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Baron Bifford posted:They drove under the influence of drugs, then they did not pull over when they saw Dredd approaching. They then plowed recklessly through traffic, killing civilians. Whoosh. I hate to do such a low content post, but it feels more and more like you're either not trying to get it, or trying not to get it. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Looper posted:This is both the best and most frustrating mod challenge I've ever read
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