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Chaos Hippy posted:Is this the one being written by Jurgens? Would someone who really misses pre-reboot Superman want to read this? If you do, start with the Convergence: Superman two-shot. Prequel and same team. e: They also did Futures End Superman issue. Nothing to do with this story, but Lee Weeks art looks great as hell.
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Gaz-L posted:I'd count Mxy ahead of everyone in that list but Luthor, really. And Toyman and Mongul are also on the list, I'd say. Interesting. Again, I'm a casual Supes reader, but Mxy and Toyman seemed like lower-tier guys. And I wasn't sure if Mongul was a primary villain of Superman or the Lanterns.
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Oct 21, 2015 15:52
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Mxy's the villain in the most famous Superman story of all.
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Oct 21, 2015 16:01
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Gaz-L posted:Mxy's the villain in the most famous Superman story of all. Wish they'd made more of those movies*. Love that music. *And that they were good... but that's not an argument I really want to get into here. Apologies if you love 'em. I'm a child of Byrne and Wolfman. 
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Red posted:Interesting. Mongul's definitely one of Superman's guys, though he was pretty heavily involved in Johns' GL run, and duked it out with Hal in Engine City in the last couple issues of Reign of the Supermen in the 90s (the story that gave us Superman's black suit and long hair). Mxy's basically omnipotent, so I'd have a hard time characterising him as "lower-tier".
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Teenage Fansub posted:e: They also did Futures End Superman issue. Nothing to do with this story, but Lee Weeks art looks great as hell. He was always one of those guys who was a great artist but never really got a spotlight for his pencils.
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Oct 22, 2015 01:23
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Chaos Hippy posted:Mongul's definitely one of Superman's guys, though he was pretty heavily involved in Johns' GL run, and duked it out with Hal in Engine City in the last couple issues of Reign of the Supermen in the 90s (the story that gave us Superman's black suit and long hair). Mxy's basically omnipotent, so I'd have a hard time characterising him as "lower-tier". I'd say Mongul is one of those cases where the villain started out in one rouges gallery and ended up in the other.
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Oct 22, 2015 03:34
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SirDan3k posted:I'd say Mongul is one of those cases where the villain started out in one rouges gallery and ended up in the other. I dunno. His appearance in Reign of the Supermen and For The Man Who Has Everything is more than most characters in that vein have for their original opponent. Kingpin doesn't really have any 'classic' Spider-Man stories, but tons of Daredevil ones, for instance. I'm a casual GL and Superman fan, and I know him far more as the latter's enemy because of those stories.
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Oct 22, 2015 03:39
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Mongul first appeared in a Superman story. He's a superman villain. (Okay, it was a Superman and MM story but still.)
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Oct 22, 2015 22:32
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He's also the bad guy in For the Man Who Has Everything which is among the top 10 Superman stories ever told. He's a Superman baddie.
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Oct 22, 2015 22:49
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Chaos Hippy posted:Mongul's definitely one of Superman's guys, though he was pretty heavily involved in Johns' GL run, and duked it out with Hal in Engine City in the last couple issues of Reign of the Supermen in the 90s (the story that gave us Superman's black suit and long hair). Mxy's basically omnipotent, so I'd have a hard time characterising him as "lower-tier". Fair enough, but my major reference for Mxy is "voiced by Gilbert Gottfried".  (Though that show in general was really good, and that was a really good episode, too.)
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My touchstone for Mxy, weirdly enough, is that Supergirl in the 8th grade miniseries where he implies he's the reason Krypton blew up.
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So I've been re-reading random chunks of my Superman trade collection, got to the New Krypton era part of the shelf and after three books I'm just irritated as hell. You have two books for Nightwing and Flamebird, two books for Mon-El, three books for World of New Krypton, two books for War on New Kryptonand a half dozen other random books that collect Jimmy or the Guardian's stories. I don't know who was in charge of this but it's a huge clusterfuck. There's little direct flow in any of the stories and only one book collects crossovers across the various titles at the time. And one issue is reprinted in three different volumes. And on top of that, they don't even collect every issue during this run so for some reason the loving Legion shows up but we don't get any clear reason why. I'm about to dump these loving books and start tracking down single issues again.
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Chaos Hippy posted:Mongul's definitely one of Superman's guys, though he was pretty heavily involved in Johns' GL run, and duked it out with Hal in Engine City in the last couple issues of Reign of the Supermen in the 90s (the story that gave us Superman's black suit and long hair). Mxy's basically omnipotent, so I'd have a hard time characterising him as "lower-tier". I mean, he was involved, but not all that heavily. He was inexplicably in the Sinestro Corps along with Cyborg Superman and uh, the Anti-Monitor, but he didn't do all that much. The Anti-Monitor wearing a uniform is still so incredibly weird to me. The guy destroyed multiple universes.
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Lurdiak posted:I mean, he was involved, but not all that heavily. He was inexplicably in the Sinestro Corps along with Cyborg Superman and uh, the Anti-Monitor, but he didn't do all that much. Didn't he mutiny and take over the corps for a while before Sinestro came back and literally dropped the power battery on Mongul's head? I want to say that last bit happened in Blackest Night, mostly because it's the last Green Lantern story I read.
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I don't know, Johns' Green Lantern passed through my brain like a McDonald's hamburger passes through my guts. I seem to remember he tore out Arkillo's tongue or something.
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Oct 23, 2015 06:25
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When was the last time Mongul was in a Superman book? Green Lantern kind of stole him.
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Mongul was a pretty major player in several early arcs from Greg Pak's Batman/Superman, and he might have appeared in Doomed, if I'm remembering correctly.
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Oct 23, 2015 06:32
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He was the bad guy in the terrible sideways Brett Booth arc of BM/SM that I skipped all but half an issue of, but the first Annual on Warworld was pretty good if memory serves.
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Rhyno posted:So I've been re-reading random chunks of my Superman trade collection, got to the New Krypton era part of the shelf and after three books I'm just irritated as hell. You have two books for Nightwing and Flamebird, two books for Mon-El, three books for World of New Krypton, two books for War on New Kryptonand a half dozen other random books that collect Jimmy or the Guardian's stories. I don't know who was in charge of this but it's a huge clusterfuck. There's little direct flow in any of the stories and only one book collects crossovers across the various titles at the time. And one issue is reprinted in three different volumes. And on top of that, they don't even collect every issue during this run so for some reason the loving Legion shows up but we don't get any clear reason why.
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Picked up the first Lois and Clark issue on a whim and really liked it. Weeks' art is fantastic and it felt like a nice comfortable return to the classic Jurgens era. I did have to do a bit of an eye-roll at Hank Heshaw as it just felt like Jurgens going back to the well yet again. Hopefully he can do something new and interesting but as soon as loving Waverider shows up I'm outta there.
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How is the current Supergirl run?
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Swillkitsch posted:How is the current Supergirl run? There isn't one going now, but the N52 series was quite good from the launch until about a year in when it was wrapped up in two crossovers "H'el on Earth" and "Return of Krypton" with Superman and Superboy which were horrible comics at the time. The period where she was a Red Lantern was fun too, especially since Charles Soule's Red Lanterns was a great loving book. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Oct 24, 2015 |
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Yeah, the first year or so is a lot better than it sounded when they were hyping it, they pushed the 'Kara's so ALIEN' angle, making it sound like she was going to be some cold, distant being looking down on the puny humans, when it was pretty much the opposite. She's a teenage girl a trillion miles from home, the thing she was sent to do she doesn't need to do anymore, the baby cousin she was supposed to look out for is replaced by a grown dude that likes these aliens more than her, no-one speaks her language, she doesn't understand the culture or customs and she has these weird powers she can barely control. And she reacts exactly like you'd expect, panics and lashes out.
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And doesn't wear pants.
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Doomed was recently published here, awesome, awesome story. I'll miss classic Doomsday though.
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Wow, I had no idea Supergirl got canceled. That sucks, because yeah, I read the first arc before the H'El on Earth storyline started and really enjoyed it. I think the artist was Mahmud Asrar, and his art on the title was really nice. I'm catching up on Superman and Action and enjoying them both, but I realized the other day the reason I wasn't picking up the Jurgens book was because I didn't want to read a book that seemed to heavily focus on Clark's young son. It's me, I'm the problem with comics. Is it good?
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It's good so far, but then it is only one issue in so it's kind of hard to make some ringing endorsement yet.
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The first issue of Superman: American Alien is really good. It's a great book and the spread at the end that details Jon and Martha's lives is really well-done and touching. I don't know if it needs spoiler tags, but has Jonathan ever been a lawyer in any previous iterations? Same for Martha being a veterinarian. I think it's great stuff, just curious.
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Swillkitsch posted:The first issue of Superman: American Alien is really good. It's a great book and the spread at the end that details Jon and Martha's lives is really well-done and touching. Yeah it was pretty decent. It was great seeing some people (read: /co/) ready to absolutely despise it because it was written by meany poopoohead Max Landis. To answer your question, I'm not sure. However, there was a time waaaay back during the Bronze Age that the Kents sold their farm and ran a general store.
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I'm pretty sure it's the first time Jonathan and Martha were given those jobs but they're GREAT ideas for the characters. The idea of them sort of having wound up in Smallville but hanging in there is really cool.
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Yannick_B posted:I'm pretty sure it's the first time Jonathan and Martha were given those jobs but they're GREAT ideas for the characters. The idea of them sort of having wound up in Smallville but hanging in there is really cool. Prior to N52 the Kent family had been in Kansas for several generations. I'm actually digging the idea that Jon got kind stuck there instead.
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Martha being a vet sounds like something that should've been the case forever, but I think I might be conflating any number of wholesome rural families in fiction where that's the job for the mother.
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Was she a vet on Smallville?
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As far as I can tell she was just a housewife on Smallville, at least at first. I'm sure she was some kind of high-powered businesswoman engaged to Lionel Luthor or whatever by the end of it.
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She was a state senator I believe. By the end, I mean. She started as a homemaker/farmer, yes.
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Interview with Adams about the "Coming of the Supermen"quote:IGN: How would you compare what you're doing with Coming of the Supermen to what you did with Batman in Batman: Odyssey?
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Neal Adams comes across as someone going full "not muh Superman" in that interview but I still want to read whatever madness he's come up with. I'd also love to see some more stand alone miniseries/OGNs using some sort of broadly defined, not confined to any continuity version of Superman.
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