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evilweasel posted:I strongly suspect there was at least one intelligent white guy before like 1920 in the US. They were intelligent like Ben Carson is intelligent. Massive blind spots.
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computer parts posted:Fair enough. Even If we take it for granted that this IQ test is a reasonable measure of intelligence, then this dude was crazy smart. And what if we don't take it for granted, because you have been arguing that it is not a reasonable measure of intelligence? Well, then he's just... easily bored.
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Nov 27, 2015 18:31
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Racism is so pervasive that there are of course people who are otherwise intelligent who are horrifying racists. HP Lovecraft comes to mind - a beloved author, whose works are the foundation for a great deal of western horror, was a disgusting arch-racist. There are still people like this, because they live in a bubble of whiteness and never had any of their racist attitudes challenged.
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Nov 27, 2015 18:32
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SedanChair posted:They were intelligent like Ben Carson is intelligent. Massive blind spots. Intelligence doesn't mean someone will have a realistic world view. I'm sure there are a bunch of very smart Sanders supporters 
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Nov 27, 2015 18:33
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30.5 Days posted:And what if we don't take it for granted, because you have been arguing that it is not a reasonable measure of intelligence? Well, then he's just... easily bored. He's more likely to be easily bored, yes. Or to be specific, people who score high on the test are highly correlated with leaving the job early.
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Nov 27, 2015 18:34
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Re the intelligence/racism correlation discussion ... Along with "what is intelligence" you have a "what is racism" sidebar. The list of upper middle class jobs that maintain the racist status quo may or may not require intelligence, but the people in them probably wouldn't consider a night on the town beating up black people ( or anyone ) a good time. Meanwhile other types of racists would consider that to be a splendid evening. I would argue that violent/vocal/deeply emotional -ism is correlated with lack of capability in the individual. The mechanism there being that the belief of superiority of ones group is most important to the least capable members of the group. They are the ones clinging to, "Well at least I'm an X" the hardest. Apathetic/passive racism is certainly a thing, and it feeds systemic racism. but it isn't the strain pulling triggers, burning churches, or overly concerned about confederate flags etc. I think a much stronger case can be made linking malicious/active racism ( or any -ism) to poor ability scores on a variety of metrics of which IQ is one. Both types are problems. But they are different problems with different solutions.
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Nov 27, 2015 18:45
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SedanChair posted:Can you give me an example of an intelligent racist? Has 'cunning' ever meant anything but 'intelligent, but also someone I don't respect'? There's a reason it's the complement of choice for open racists who get outsmarted by someone they'd rather call an animal.
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Nov 27, 2015 18:46
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George W. Bush was the more intelligent one  Political Science is the light.
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Nov 27, 2015 18:58
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McAlister posted:Apathetic/passive racism is certainly a thing, and it feeds systemic racism. but it isn't the strain pulling triggers, burning churches, or overly concerned about confederate flags etc. I think a much stronger case can be made linking malicious/active racism ( or any -ism) to poor ability scores on a variety of metrics of which IQ is one. You'd have to define what poor IQ scores are first, though. Like if it's anything below 100, it doesn't apply to this discussion at all.
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Nov 27, 2015 18:59
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Killer robot posted:Has 'cunning' ever meant anything but 'intelligent, but also someone I don't respect'? There's a reason it's the complement of choice for open racists who get outsmarted by someone they'd rather call an animal. Nope. That's pretty much it. Although cunning is a step up from "instinctive" where the other person isn't even being given credit for doing something intentionally.
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Nov 27, 2015 19:05
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SedanChair posted:They were intelligent like Ben Carson is intelligent. Massive blind spots. that is how it is for everyone, and the idea of the omnisavant is pure fiction
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Nov 27, 2015 19:08
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computer parts posted:You'd have to define what poor IQ scores are first, though. Like if it's anything below 100, it doesn't apply to this discussion at all. It would vary from individual to individual and be defined as among the lowest of their social group. The key here is that the person feels slow compared to the people around them and copes with the feeling of inferiority by insisting that their group is innately better than other groups so that being the slow one in their group is still pretty awesome overall. Edit: This is in the formative stages ... When they break off to seek a community based on that belief they could be fairly sharp within that group. I'm talking about the person in a normal group is most recruitable by a group like stormfront. McAlister fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 19:10
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Killer robot posted:Has 'cunning' ever meant anything but 'intelligent, but also someone I don't respect'? There's a reason it's the complement of choice for open racists who get outsmarted by someone they'd rather call an animal. I don't use it to mean intelligent. Hitler and Trump are excellent examples of cunning. They are capable of manipulating people and situations to achieve some measure of personal success, but they are in way over their heads when it comes to serious matters.
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Nov 27, 2015 19:10
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SedanChair posted:I don't use it to mean intelligent. Hitler and Trump are excellent examples of cunning. They are capable of manipulating people and situations to achieve some measure of personal success, but they are in way over their heads when it comes to serious matters. That's charisma.
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Nov 27, 2015 19:11
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computer parts posted:Well, then you get into the question of what exactly the needed intelligence is for that particular position. Chemist up there at #2. 
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Nov 27, 2015 19:20
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hobbesmaster posted:That's charisma. Well charisma is a part of it. George Clooney has charisma, but cunning or intelligence is not particularly related to his success (however much of it he may have). At the same time, it is possible to use your cunning to leverage traits other than charisma. Fred Phelps, for example, had no discernible charisma but considerable cunning.
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Nov 27, 2015 19:23
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SedanChair posted:Can you give me an example of an intelligent racist? Johannes Stark Phillip Lenard Thomas Jefferson Basically everyone involved in the eugenics movement, including Margaret Sanger
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Nov 27, 2015 19:26
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berzerker posted:Johannes Stark Actually those people are all stupid because they're not as enlightened as an early 21st century leftist.
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Nonsense posted:George W. Bush was the more intelligent one When asked years back if he thought jeb would make a good president, W said he'd be a great senator.
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Nov 27, 2015 19:30
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Wonder what a modern leftist would be like in 1776. "Pfft I'm not joining your revolt because your declaration of Independence doesn't include a single payer option."
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Nov 27, 2015 19:34
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I guess I was not thinking of people back when racism was the prevailing scientific thought.
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Nov 27, 2015 19:34
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Well, let's go with Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins, very intelligent, very racist, very sexist assholes.
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SedanChair posted:I guess I was not thinking of people back when racism was the prevailing scientific thought. Yeah, back when everyone was racist, dumb people were convinced that whites were just smarter than black people and didn't care why, while smart people were also convinced that whites were smarter, but they wanted to know why. This lead to crap science like phrenology. Ben Has Tiny Weenus fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 20:06
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Active shooter at the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood, several victims, an officer has been hit, suspect is barricaded inside.
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Goddamn it what a lovely day
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Nov 27, 2015 20:12
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Teddybear posted:Active shooter at the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood, several victims, an officer has been hit, suspect is barricaded inside. Where is the Christian community? Where are these so-called moderate Christians?
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Let me tell you why Syrian Refugees are the real threats to this country....
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Teddybear posted:Active shooter at the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood, several victims, an officer has been hit, suspect is barricaded inside. gently caress. (CNN)Police said Friday they were responding to a call of an active shooter in Colorado Springs, Colorado. "The area is NOT secure," the city's police department said via Twitter. The shooting took place on Colorado Springs' Centennial Boulevard, though the exact location was not immediately reported. Nor was it known who, if anyone, might have been shot and in what their condition was. The city, in the central part of the Colorado, has more than 400,000 residents. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 20:13
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Does PP offer any hot Black Friday abortion deals?
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Feel free to make a thread about it, somebody
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Teddybear posted:Active shooter at the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood, several victims, an officer has been hit, suspect is barricaded inside. Of course, storming a building, shooting people and taking hostages for a political motive isn't terrorist because....
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hobbesmaster posted:That's charisma. Social intelligence is a form of intelligence. It means you can accurately model other people's brain states and predict how they will react to different stimuli. Google "mirror neurons". They are parts of the brain that becomes active in "put yourself in other people's shoes" mental exercises. People good at that have high social intelligence and empathy. http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct05/mirror.aspx Reminder, empathy isn't sympathy. Edit: God loving drat Colorado springs. McAlister fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 20:18
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Teddybear posted:Active shooter at the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood, several victims, an officer has been hit, suspect is barricaded inside. CNN is reporting on it, but not naming the location.
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Trabisnikof posted:Of course, storming a building, shooting people and taking hostages for a political motive isn't terrorist because.... Yeah, I'm kind of waiting on that - but I suspect I'll be making a facebook post about that subject before the day's end
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Nov 27, 2015 20:20
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Best to just hope that no one is killed at this point but it's probably very unlikely.
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Nov 27, 2015 20:21
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:CNN is reporting on it, but not naming the location. A common excuse from anti-abortion terrorists, is that they're committing acts of violence against someone other than PP and accidentally shot at or firebombed the wrong building. Oopies!
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Nov 27, 2015 20:21
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Rich people: "Charities should be serving the poor, not government." *proceeds to not donate to any charities* Handed a list by accounting. "All right sir, this how much you need to donate in order to not pay any taxes." Proceeds to go to 500$ a plate "charity" dinners where 90% goes to consultant, writes off entire amount till amount is reached. Bitch about paying taxes and how awesome they are for giving to charity. - every 1%er
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Teddybear posted:Active shooter at the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood, several victims, an officer has been hit, suspect is barricaded inside. Stuff like this is always in the back of my mind any time I stop by to refill my birth control pills. Some nutcase could kill me just because I want meds to make my period a little more tolerable.
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