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Mostly Lurking posted:It was tongue in cheek because Maher's views on muslims are more aligned with Trump than liberals (which is why he cries about 'those drat liberals' whenever muslims are brought up). What the hell is a "New Athiest"? Also, the religion is the expression of the book. Hating the dumb things in the book is the same as hating the religion holding that book on the infallible pedestal. Also, Bill frequently comments on the statistics about other populations of Muslims who agree with the fundamentalist murder bullshit. The man has also frequently said if other religions had the same level of intolerance he'd be equally harsh on them. Not that he isn't hateful towards other fairy tales, he merely hates on them proportionately to the percentage of people in those faiths that hate. Bill knows the other Abrahamic texts also say to kill people for ridiculous... well, practically every reason. Christians are simply less likely to do it. Jews are less likely to do it. And when polled, the percentages of people from those two general faiths don't say they agree to the same degree Muslims do. You think Bill Maher doesn't want every religion to go? It's simply triage to mainly decry Islam when speaking about religious violence towards liberal values. And please, enlighten me. Since when is it conservative to be intolerant of intolerance?
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Islam is a problem because its adherents actually believe in its retarded ideology and tenets. If it were a moderated religion practiced by milquetoast adherents like European Christianity is, it would be exactly as threatening to liberal values as every other religion. That's the problem: Its believers believe and that makes them dangerous.
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Super Deuce posted:And please, enlighten me. Since when is it conservative to be intolerant of intolerance? GETTING gay rights from the idiotic mob is fine. DEFENDING them against another isn't. I guess. It makes no sense to me why opposition to Islamism is treated as some sort of bigotry. There's a real reason to hate Islam itself, and that's its tenets and adherents' behavior.
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Nov 21, 2015 11:03
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Super Deuce posted:What the hell is a "New Athiest"? It's yet another pejorative label originally ascribed by "progressives" to people like Maher & Dawkins who actually criticize acting on 7th century beliefs in 2015. Instead of wasting time fighting it, they've embraced the term instead. Bill was spot on about Islam again tonight BTW. That woman he was arguing with was such an airhead.
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Nov 21, 2015 11:23
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Immortan posted:It's yet another pejorative label originally ascribed by "progressives" to people like Maher & Dawkins who actually criticize acting on 7th century beliefs in 2015. Instead of wasting time fighting it, they've embraced the term instead. Bill was spot on about Islam again tonight BTW. That woman he was arguing with was such an airhead. She, like so many, think facts have feelings. She can be close to getting something right, but will dance around it until she's wrong because someone may get upset.
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Super Deuce posted:1) What the hell is a "New Athiest"? Also, the religion is the expression of the book. 2) Hating the dumb things in the book is the same as hating the religion holding that book on the infallible pedestal. 2b) Also, Bill frequently comments on the statistics about other populations of Muslims who agree with the fundamentalist murder bullshit. 1) Anti-theism which is not what atheism is about. It's for the fanatics. 2) No, it's not. Hating the Evangelical churches that promote bigotry isn't the the same as hating ones that don't. People put their values into their religion, not the other way around. Which is why there isn't a consistency to these muslim values to even the "War on Terror" regions. 2b) Yeah, he uses the same recycled states that ignore other statics to push his "Muslims are Evil" narrative. It's cute, if all Muslims were influenced so hardly by the violence in the text, you'd be in trouble seeing how there's 1.6 billion of them. At best the New Atheist and right wingers can do is bring up some questionable statistic about the whole religion and a scary picture of a dude yelling and point to it. 3) The destabilization created by the west and how just very recently (by a PR campaign by homosexual groups) the west has come to accept homosexuality doesn't play well into this lovely theory. I agree, he does hate other religions, but nothing pushes his agenda as well as the chaos in the middle east so he'll focus on Islam so it can prove how smart he is! 4) Ha, no. Bill can debate a hillbilly on the texts but not anyone that actually studies it (See: His views on Flu Vaccinations). 4b) HHahhahaha, source? You \ do understand the US bombs and kills a shitload of innocent people and so does Israel, right? Or does state actions not count in your world view? 4c) SOURCE - it doesn't play well with this: http://www.gallup.com/poll/148763/muslim-americans-no-justification-violence.aspx 5) Oh, I'm sure he does. Just like all other fanatics think when all other view points are eliminated, utopia is achieved. Reality is much different. 5b) The point is that is much more complex than just, "ISLAM IS BAD!" It's not being "intolerant of intolerance." It's flat out ignoring what's going on in the middle east.
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Mostly Lurking posted:missingthepoint.txt Again, you are a willfully ignorant & stupid person. 
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Nov 21, 2015 11:59
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There's no way to spin out of the fact that Muslims think apostates should be killed. A MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS.
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Apoplexy posted:There's no way to spin out of the fact that Muslims think apostates should be killed. A MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ejn9kAFNvk
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Nov 21, 2015 12:13
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I would respect suicide bombers more if their aspirations were to go McFeasting in Valhalla, eternally shiny and chrome.
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Apoplexy posted:Islam is a problem because its adherents actually believe in its retarded ideology and tenets. If it were a moderated religion practiced by milquetoast adherents like European Christianity is, it would be exactly as threatening to liberal values as every other religion. That's the problem: Its believers believe and that makes them dangerous. As George Carlin put it, "We stopped believing in our bullshit. They still believe in their bullshit!"
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 at the concept of "the great disappointment."Gavin Newsom remains the slickest politician out there. Looks like Bill Clinton 2.0 Immortan posted:Did anybody see Bill Maher on Colbert recently? That was... interesting. From both of them. I watched it and so much of it was bleeped out. I don't find any of those network TV hosts really funny but those two didn't mix. Also, I thought Colbert was going to stop his shtick of playing a brain-damaged conservative. At one point Maher was talking about "wiping out the idea [Islam]." More of the same insanity. Still waiting for some random adult leader to saunter by on TV someday and say the simple words "Islam has been around for 1,400+ years..it's not going away. Terrorism has been around since recorded history..it's not going away." Mostly Lurking posted:(Can't exactly divorce economic power from what's going on) What are you referring to? Mostly Lurking posted:4b) HHahhahaha, source? You \ do understand the US bombs and kills a shitload of innocent people and so does Israel, right? Or does state actions not count in your world view? Doesn't count. We're the good guys even if we bomb a hospital! If this was GWBs fourth term he'd be taking a TON of heat for this rampant droning all over the globe. Obama (like Clinton) before him got away with it as the Rs don't mind wanton bombing and the party base generally ignores it for some reason. A few years back a huge chunk of the US was taking massive dumps on France for not giving 100% full-fledged support of the Iraq invasion and other military interventions and now suddenly we're strange bedfellows as we can superficially commiserate.
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i think that americans and the french have far more in common than either would ever care to admit. but yeah, the sudden love of france is hilarious considering where we were in 2003.
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Zogo posted:Also, I thought Colbert was going to stop his shtick of playing a brain-damaged conservative. He did, and Jimmy Kimmel's beating him in the ratings now.
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Zogo posted:
Sorry, that was poorly worded. Was trying trying to show that there other variables behind the whole "ISIS = ISLAM" poo poo going on. A lot of leadership behind ISIS are actually ex- Baathist leadership (secularist as a dam for the country) trying to gain power in the void. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...e759_story.html Zogo posted:A few years back a huge chunk of the US was taking massive dumps on France for not giving 100% full-fledged support of the Iraq invasion and other military interventions and now suddenly we're strange bedfellows as we can superficially commiserate. WaryWarren posted:i think that americans and the french have far more in common than either would ever care to admit. but yeah, the sudden love of france is hilarious considering where we were in 2003. Haha, yeap. We Americans are very much enlightened and not pushed by emotions, unlike those savages! *Kills more people than the target by the drone strike, calls the victims, "collateral."* Also, I wonder if Maher watches Oliver's and gets pissed off. It must suck writing a show that uses rightwing fear rhetoric and two days later someone on your same channel shits on your view using facts while being far more entertaining. Mostly Lurking fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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John Oliver reminds me of Anthony Weiner except with an insufferably high-pitched British accent. He's loving gross. Those teeth when he smiles. 
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Immortan posted:John Oliver reminds me of Anthony Weiner except with an insufferably high-pitched British accent. He's loving gross. gently caress you, shallow pig. Get out of 2015. I bet you're beautiful with beautiful ideas, right?
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Mostly Lurking posted:It was tongue in cheek because Maher's views on muslims are more aligned with Trump than liberals (which is why he cries about 'those drat liberals' whenever muslims are brought up). Islamist fuelled violence is far from confined to the middle east. Just ask the victims of boko haram and al shabab, or the secular bloggers getting macheted to death in Burma (or indonesia?). You also are seeming to forget how violent the chechnians are in their clashes with Russia compared with other former Soviet peoples. In the rest of the third world it's comparitively rare to see any people act in violence under the banner of religious zealotry despite whatever colonialism did to them. adebisi lives fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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Michael Scott posted:gently caress you, shallow pig. Get out of 2015. I bet you're beautiful with beautiful ideas, right? It's John Oliver who looks & sounds like a shallow pig, snowflake.
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america always gets garbage people from england. russell brand, piers morgan, jeremy kyle, the osbournes, the beckhams, john oliver... jeremy clarkson (2017).
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comes along bort posted:He did, and Jimmy Kimmel's beating him in the ratings now. I agree that he seems to have toned it down but the times I've watched it he still seems like he's putting on some kind of act. I guess I thought he was going to drop it completely and be like he was on that Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee show: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xggbx
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Hopefully someone will explain to Maher during the holidays the difference between groaning at a bad joke and making an  groan. The difference is pretty obvious, and you would think as many years of standup that he has done he could tell. After saying something harsh but genuinely funny, he ends up telling the audience to 'gently caress off' and stop being so politically incorrect when half the time they agree with him and are simply saying "drat Bill, that's cold..."and then applauds to let him know he did a good job. His tirade just kills the momentum so when he does the same thing again, people give a nervous chuckle and scattered applause to keep him from throwing another tantrum. Whoever at HBO is telling him to ramp up the rear end in a top hat factor should be fired. He was doing just fine and is now just turning into another angry white male pundit that people will start turning off. The only problem is John Oliver's quick assimilation. I'm fine with him being a US citizen, but talking about US history from any time period and discussing history like he came on the Mayflower: "We did _____ back in ______" is just...weird. If I went to the UK, got a talk show, and talked about how bravely we fought in the Falklands conflict like I was there, I wouldn't be surprised if people looked at me like I was insane. I know he's trying to relate to the US audience, but like Trevor Noah...
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Gimmedaroot posted:The only problem is John Oliver's quick assimilation. I'm fine with him being a US citizen, but talking about US history from any time period and discussing history like he came on the Mayflower: "We did _____ back in ______" is just...weird. If I went to the UK, got a talk show, and talked about how bravely we fought in the Falklands conflict like I was there, I wouldn't be surprised if people looked at me like I was insane. I know he's trying to relate to the US audience, but like Trevor Noah... I don't think either of them do that. Noah is constantly cracking jokes about Africa, and Oliver is pretty much correct because the people that came over on the Mayflower very in fact very british. He's also very often making jokes about how much bad stuff the british have done historically so I don't really get this complaint.
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IRQ posted:I don't think either of them do that. Noah is constantly cracking jokes about Africa, and Oliver is pretty much correct because the people that came over on the Mayflower very in fact very british. He's also very often making jokes about how much bad stuff the british have done historically so I don't really get this complaint. Oliver has more reason than most Americans do to make jokes about the British. That is not what I am talking about, and it is more of an observation of something odd than a complaint...I'm not that emotionally invested in it to complain. if you read my quote, I said its just "weird". I also like Jon Oliver more than Maher, who I mainly watch for New Rules. Breaking the habit going back to Politically Incorrect's Comedy Central days is pretty drat hard. And yes, Mayflower passengers were British, but he wasn't on it...when talking about American history, the use of "we" did this and that is just...odd. I know the PC explanation of "we are all Americans now", but look at my earlier example. If I became a newly British citizen and said what horrible things "we" did to the rest of the world during the Victorian era just sounds bizarre. Especially coming from a non-white person. In Noah's case, he got in hot water after his "black people in America be like _____" and the weird jokes about Jewish people. He even did a standup show in LA for a private industry crowd to show them his chops after all of the controversy that could have alienated TDS audience before he even started, but he almost over compensated by trying to show how much he has in common. The jokes were centered more around how he could relate more to African Americans re racism from rednecks, cops, etc. He knew he had to identify more with his audience of Americans if he was going to replace one of the most beloved anchors/comedians of all time. He's doing a fair job. At least he and Larry Wilmore are making white people think we're taking over... I remember the Daily Show with Craig Killborn, and Jon Stewart's MTV talk show...I wanted it to work but was skeptical for a while. What made Jon work is that he didn't try too hard to relate to, or alienate, his audience. He was hitting them out of the park every night when the Iraq War started.
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Gimmedaroot posted:Hopefully someone will explain to Maher during the holidays the difference between groaning at a bad joke and making an shut up retard
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WaryWarren posted:america always gets garbage people from england. russell brand, piers morgan, jeremy kyle, the osbournes, the beckhams, john oliver... jeremy clarkson (2017). John Oliver isn't a garbage person, why the gently caress would you lump him in with that last of idiots? Because Immortan says something disparaging about his appearance, like a retard would?
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Apoplexy posted:John Oliver isn't a garbage person, why the gently caress would you lump him in with that last of idiots? Because Immortan says something disparaging about his appearance, like a retard would? Probably because goons are quick to equip their shiny white armour whenever someone says anything remotely negative about Oliver and/or his show.
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WaryWarren posted:eh, he is at the same place as most GBS posters. So he's correct?
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"Former Vice President Al Gore will be the first guest when "Real Time With Bill Maher" starts its 14th season this week. Actor John Krasinski will be the mid-show interview guest, and he will have a chance to promote his movie "13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi," out Friday. The show airs live at 10 p.m. Friday on HBO and offers an immediate repeat at 11 p.m. As the second guest, "Office" star Krasinski will interact with the roundtable: conservative activist Ralph Reed, Republican strategist and former "View" co-host Nicolle Wallace and author Cornel West, professor emeritus at Princeton University. "Real Time" will offer 35 episodes this season." http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/tv/tv-guy/os-al-gore-john-krasinski-visit-bill-maher-20160112-post.html
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WaryWarren posted:I'd be happy with a Taibbi/Ames reconciliation, with David Simon there to round out the table. I want Taibbi on the panel for a change.
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So Ralph Reed had more of a nuanced take on Muslims tonight than Maher did.
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I haven't seen the episode, but I did watch Overtime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LUBBL9cU4c And good god, Bill has become progressively more insufferable. Just look at the Christianity discussion, and even Cornell West is agreeing with him, he has to act like a dick about it. We all know he doesn't like religion (and neither do I) but there's no need to be needlessly douchey about it.
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Mr Interweb posted:I haven't seen the episode, but I did watch Overtime: I haven't watched it, yet because HBOGO takes over a day to post it which is insane, but there is absolutely a reason to be "douchey" about religion.
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