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Uncle Enzo posted:Because they're out to get you? They're not there to help you, they're there to amass evidence so you can be charged. You're lucky if they don't shoot you. Why is it so hosed though? Why do people accept living in some dystopian nightmare where any interaction with the police ends with you getting hosed up? Or does it not happen and it's just some weird internet fantasy bullshit where some guy you knows friend got totally beat by the police for nothing. Because it's either a totally hosed up system or borderline Freeman of the land advice that people are giving out.
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Nov 27, 2015 15:08
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Aramoro posted:What the gently caress is wrong with the US that 'don't co-operate with the police' is advice people give all the time? What kind of hosed up country do you live in that that's a reasonable thing to do? Cooperating with police in many cases allows them to incriminate you on something unrelated to the reason that you were stopped in the first place. It might seem like a dick move not to invite a cop into your house to talk to you about something you witnessed, but then they're able to look wherever they want.
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Nov 27, 2015 15:13
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Eponine posted:Cooperating with police in many cases allows them to incriminate you on something unrelated to the reason that you were stopped in the first place. It might seem like a dick move not to invite a cop into your house to talk to you about something you witnessed, but then they're able to look wherever they want. I get why you do it, but does that actually really happen or is it just some weird fantasy akin to being a Freeman. I just don't get why the police would be looking to incriminate you for something you haven't done. Then if they do in fact do this as routinely as you say, why do you accept that from your law enforcement? Recommending to people to refuse a roadside breathalyser just seems like a terrible terrible idea because won't they just arrest you for not co-operating. It's just like Freeman using their magic words to escape the police. Aramoro has a new favorite as of 15:23 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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Nov 27, 2015 15:20
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Cops have an ''us vs them'' mentality.
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Nov 27, 2015 15:25
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I think the bottom line of what he's asking is "why are they 'out to get you', why are they always looking 'for evidence to incriminate you', why do they have such an 'us vs them mentality', what the gently caress is wrong with US police and why do Americans put up with it?  ". Because in other countries the police generally exist to, shock and horror, enforce the law. What I'm about to say is an anecdote but no more than half this argument, in Australia I've been pulled over for random roadside breath tests plenty of times, afaik you can't and certainly no one tries to refuse, and when I've blown 0.00 I've been free to go, rather than having the contents of my car thrown in a ditch and everyone thinking that's normal.
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Nov 27, 2015 15:34
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Nobody cares about your opinions about the police holy poo poo
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Nov 27, 2015 15:41
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Aramoro posted:I get why you do it, but does that actually really happen or is it just some weird fantasy akin to being a Freeman. I just don't get why the police would be looking to incriminate you for something you haven't done. Then if they do in fact do this as routinely as you say, why do you accept that from your law enforcement? refusing a breathalyzer will never help you, however you should not allow police to search your vehicle or come into your home without a warrant. THe reason we accept this is because most people are convinced it will never happen to them as they are not a criminal, and the just world fallacy. also we have no means to change the police dept short of mass protests and rioting since there are no civilian oversight boards or anything. the police are 100% removed from normal law.
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Nov 27, 2015 15:46
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Nov 27, 2015 15:51
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Yeah if you watch UK's Police Enforcers or any of those programmes where cameras follow the Police around, it seems that if you are co-operative and generally decent to the Police you're much less likely to get hassle. I thought that was the case everywhere. Sorry America.
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Nov 27, 2015 16:02
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect-someone.html It's because the States don't actually force police to protect it's citizens. It's like how Japan is hosed with their healthcare system where if you get hosed up the hospitals can just reject you until you die in an ambulance to another one across the city. It's a fundamental problem with the system that encourages those behaviours.
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Nov 27, 2015 16:06
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Cops have hosed with me every single time I've been pulled over, and I'm a white looking Hispanic guy with an Italian last name. I can't imagine what it would be like for an actual minority in the US.
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Nov 27, 2015 16:18
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Rondette posted:Yeah if you watch UK's Police Enforcers or any of those programmes where cameras follow the Police around, it seems that if you are co-operative and generally decent to the Police you're much less likely to get hassle. I thought that was the case everywhere. Sorry America. It is the case everywhere if you don't start screeching "am I being detained" and being a difficult rear end in a top hat about everything when you come within 10 ft of an officer. It's no guarantee, but more often than not cooperating with the police is the safer, less time consuming option. Not all cops are the judge dredd types that goons are always Literally Shaking about.
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Nov 27, 2015 16:27
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Rondette posted:Yeah if you watch UK's Police Enforcers or any of those programmes where cameras follow the Police around, it seems that if you are co-operative and generally decent to the Police you're much less likely to get hassle. I thought that was the case everywhere. Sorry America. Comparing the US Cops show to similar shows from other countries is always hilarious. In this video a New Zealand police officer is questioning a youth who had been acting suspiciously at 3am. In the US he'd probably be face down in cuffs at this point, in NZ he's being given fatherly advice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2NhQmZ3S6E
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Murphy Brownback posted:It is the case everywhere if you don't start screeching "am I being detained" and being a difficult rear end in a top hat about everything when you come within 10 ft of an officer. It's no guarantee, but more often than not cooperating with the police is the safer, less time consuming option. Not all cops are the judge dredd types that goons are always Literally Shaking about. This. Even if you're in a state that says they have to arrest you first, you've already been pulled over on suspicion of DUI. It's forcing them to go through with the extra step of arresting you that's more likely to piss them off, and it basically gives them an excuse to gently caress with you. If you're drunk and try to be a smartass, most states will penalize you harder for being difficult. If you're sober and just go along with it, you'll still probably get ticketed for whatever lesser offenses led the cop to pull you over in the first place, but it's going to be less hassle overall. But by all means, go ahead and get pulled over for DUI and throw a hissy fit about how you're not required to submit to a breath test. Just remember to post the results here for our entertainment. TNO has a new favorite as of 17:37 on Nov 27, 2015 |
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 Snowglobe of Doom posted:Comparing the US Cops show to similar shows from other countries is always hilarious. In this video a New Zealand police officer is questioning a youth who had been acting suspiciously at 3am. In the US he'd probably be face down in cuffs at this point, in NZ he's being given fatherly advice. Not to forget Norway  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd8ZTKU8csw
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Nov 27, 2015 17:11
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This must've made a pretty majestic CLANG
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Nov 27, 2015 17:15
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keep an unopened can of beer in your car and when you get pulled over while drunk, step out of the car, open the can and chug it in front of the cop
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Nov 27, 2015 17:36
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im pooping! posted:keep an unopened can of beer in your car and when you get pulled over while drunk, step out of the car, open the can and chug it in front of the cop This One Weird Trick To Get Out Of A DUI! Cops Hate Him!
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Nov 27, 2015 18:27
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im pooping! posted:keep an unopened
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Nov 27, 2015 19:02
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im pooping! posted:keep an unopened can of beer in your car and when you get pulled over while drunk, step out of the car, open the can and literally kill the cop. gently caress the police!
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Nov 27, 2015 19:05
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Aramoro posted:What the gently caress is wrong with the US that 'don't co-operate with the police' is advice people give all the time? What kind of hosed up country do you live in that that's a reasonable thing to do? Aramoro posted:Why is it so hosed though? Why do people accept living in some dystopian nightmare where any interaction with the police ends with you getting hosed up? Aramoro posted:I get why you do it, but does that actually really happen or is it just some weird fantasy akin to being a Freeman. I just don't get why the police would be looking to incriminate you for something you haven't done. Then if they do in fact do this as routinely as you say, why do you accept that from your law enforcement? what the gently caress are you doing
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Nov 27, 2015 19:09
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Most people panic and immediately submit to the roadside breathalyzer. This is wrong, and arouses contempt in the cop heart. I worked for a DUI lawyer for a while and did evidence review on hundreds of DUI cases. If you are pulled over and you are drunk, you are hosed. If you pass the field sobriety test, you're still still brought it for other involuntary indicators that you've been drinking like nystagmus, slurred speech, glazed eyes or scent of alcohol; coupled with the reason you were pulled over in the first place. You don't have to submit to the preliminary breathalyzer but if you don't submit to the one at the station, you will lose your license. There is no sovereign citizen argument that will get you out of this, if you've been pulled over you've already lost. Any contraband you have in the car will be found and you will be charged with the possession of it in addition unless you had a truly inspired hiding place. Now that we've cleared that up, new FailArmy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK1swTwB-9o
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Maybe just don't drive if you have any alcohol in your system at all so it doesn't matter if you do the roadside test or the one at the station. This is one weird trick to keep you from getting a DUI.
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Nov 27, 2015 19:21
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Murphy Brownback posted:Maybe just don't drive if you have any alcohol in your system at all so it doesn't matter if you do the roadside test or the one at the station. This is one weird trick to keep you from getting a DUI. Wow, what kind of puritanical fantasy land do you live in? Hey, how about I just ride my unicorn instead of driving when I'm drunk?
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Nov 27, 2015 19:28
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LookieLoo posted:The schadenfreude is the Want a great derail? Head on over to PYF funny picture and read goons sperg about CGI in movies 
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Why are we on a police/DUI derail in the Schadenfreude thread when it's Black Friday? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnObuusAYlU fake edit: LookieLoo posted:The schadenfreude is the USA.
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Nov 27, 2015 19:34
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Black Friday schadenfreude is on Norway - we blindly import any american holiday/event, including this one. Some of the big retail chains have started their own black friday .. week?
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LogisticEarth posted:Why are we on a police/DUI derail in the Schadenfreude thread when it's Black Friday? WORLD STAR! WORLD STAR! WORLD STAR! WORLD STAR!
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Nov 27, 2015 19:50
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Murphy Brownback posted:Maybe just don't drive if you have any alcohol in your system at all so it doesn't matter if you do the roadside test or the one at the station. This is one weird trick to keep you from getting a DUI. Because then you get a public intoxication charge for walking/taking public transit home.
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Nov 27, 2015 20:02
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Honestly your best bet is to just shoot a cop in the face whenever you see one.
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:Because then you get a public intoxication charge for walking/taking public transit home.
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speshl guy posted:Most people panic and immediately submit to the roadside breathalyzer. This is wrong, and arouses contempt in the cop heart. I'm not a fancy lawyer type, but does the Fifth Amendment help any?
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Nov 27, 2015 21:08
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Vertical videos are a SIN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17uHCHfgs60
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Nov 27, 2015 21:15
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Joe the Strummer posted:Vertical videos are a SIN  That guy is awesome. Calling out the vertical and holding a nerf gun.Vertical videos are even worse when they don't black out the sides. Don't distract me with the blurry nonsense on the sides! 
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Nov 27, 2015 21:26
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I heart bacon posted:
Honestly I wouldn't care about vertical videos so much if so many places didn't do that. What is even the point of that?
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Met posted:I'm not a fancy lawyer type, but does the Fifth Amendment help any? Any police officer worth his salt will be able to tell as soon as your window is down that you've been ingesting mind-altering substances. At this point refusing to answer questions the cop knows the answer to will succeed only in pissing him or her off. Evoking the 5th amendment would probably be advisable if, say, you possessed something or did something unrelated to the reason for him or her pulling you over. Police officers in many jurisdictions confiscate large amounts of cash that they come across during the application of their duties with impunity so feel free to avoid mentioning the $6000 in cash you have in your wheel well that you were planning to use for the down payment on a house. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks Some jurisdictions will take you to the hospital to have your blood drawn instead of a breathalyzer, and you are equally expected to submit to this test. I find this practice ethically dubious because it will give a positive for marijuana even if you haven't smoked in days, compounding your DUI charges. So avoid mentioning past substance use. That being said, mixing substances is statistically proven to exponentially increase chances of an accident, so refrain from doing so. Also, please don't drive under the influence. I've seen enough crippled innocent people and teenage obituaries for one lifetime.
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Anosmoman posted:Not to forget Norway I know the dude's voice is masked or whatever, and I sure as hell don't speak Norwegian, but I'm just going to pretend that you guys have Klingons in Norway.
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speshl guy posted:Any police officer worth his salt will be able to tell as soon as your window is down that you've been ingesting mind-altering substances. At this point refusing to answer questions the cop knows the answer to will succeed only in pissing him or her off. Hmm, interesting post. Post more.
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