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Antillie posted:This is actually very disappointing to hear. But think its worth a free trial at least. The enemies themselves are much less static than FFXI enemies; pretty quickly you'll get punished if you just park yourself somewhere and try to do a fixed combo without reacting to anything else that's going on. If you don't want a class with a set rotation, try archer/bard.
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Dross posted:I got Heavensward on sale and resubbed, but I want to start over. What non-Excalibur goon guild has the most active members? Gilgamesh has a few goons here and there. Of the fc's on here, Elysium has Chyea and me. I think I recall Ultros or Cactuar having more goons.
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Nov 27, 2015 21:37
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Antillie posted:This is actually very disappointing to hear. But think its worth a free trial at least. Ultimately it's your call, but I've found it's pretty fun. It lets you focus more on dodging hazards, which is vital to the game. Even when encountering an enemy type for the first time, you'll get the rhythm of generally knowing when an avoidable attack is likely to drop.
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Nov 27, 2015 21:41
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Getting real sick of Thordan's Reign "clear" PFs where several members (regularly including the leader) have never seen past Ultimate End.
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Nov 27, 2015 21:46
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You're worried about the combat being too simple but if all the low DPS shitters I always get paired up with in DF are any indication it's not all that simple.
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Antillie posted:This is actually very disappointing to hear. But think its worth a free trial at least. Performing your theoretical optimal rotation or priority system is substantially harder in content that doesn't let you just stand there and turret. Which is most content. To call classes like Monk or really the game in general simplistic is doing the developers a huge disservice.
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Nov 27, 2015 21:48
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Antillie posted:I actually don't like the fact that WoW has a global cool down. I liked being able to chain Provoke > Sentinel > Flash > Cure IV > Provoke or Sentinel > Rampart > Warcry as PLD. For me the appealing thing was needing to decide when to use my abilities and why in an intelligent manner instead of always spamming things as soon as their cool down ended (Provoke aside). So the occasional flurry of ability usage doesn't bother me. But in WoW having to hit frostbolt every 1.5 seconds because no DD can ever make enough hate to pull the mob off the tank is just boring. When I played BLM I had to carefully manage my spells against my MP pool (which in WoW is basically infinite) and how much hate the tank had so I didn't run out of MP and become useless or get murdered by the mob. As a PLD I had to pace my abilities to what the DDs were doing. Spamming them was actually far less effective than using them at the proper moments. Shield bash was a great tool for stunning a mob if you lost aggro or if the mob was about to use some deadly ability. But it had a long cool down so if you spammed it it didn't do much for you because you would end up using it at the wrong time. Not seeing the difference here between global cooldown and abilities limited by animation time.
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Nov 27, 2015 21:55
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ActionZero posted:Getting real sick of Thordan's Reign "clear" PFs where several members (regularly including the leader) have never seen past Ultimate End. Welcome to most PF "clear" groups.
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Eej posted:Not seeing the difference here between global cooldown and abilities limited by animation time.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Welcome to most PF "clear" groups. Where everyone else hopes everyone else doesn't realize they don't know it.
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Eej posted:Not seeing the difference here between global cooldown and abilities limited by animation time. GCD = move between abilities Animation-locked abilities usually root you.
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Nov 27, 2015 22:56
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You might like XIV if you don't expect it to be XI, but interesting in its own right. Just don't pick lancer, it's hideous and what you hate at low levels. You'd probably like Marauder though, if you want to try tanking (and you should, you'd probably like it.) Otherwise, try arcanist or thaumaturge, as they have interesting combat even at lower levels.
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Xenoveritas posted:Somehow he interprets the "we made the localized version too different" as "we're going to make the Japanese version not have any gay NPCs in the future" or something. I was forcing myself not to tell this person a succinct "get out." The person is absolutely insufferable but I don't want to lose permission to voice my opinions on the OF, even if the OF itself is poo poo. Even a ton of gay posters in the thread were making long paragraphs telling him that he's absolutely insane. It's a trainwreck without any sort of comeuppance for the person. I know they're just going to continue to be dumb and post the same kind of poo poo elsewhere.
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Boten Anna posted:thaumaturge Boten Anna posted:interesting combat even at lower levels. thm is one of the most boring classes in the game at lower levels
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sword_man.gif posted:thm is one of the most boring classes in the game at lower levels Yeah I was about to say... Most classes in this game are guilty to one degree or another of their kit really not coming together until the 30s/40s but DRG and BLM are some of the worst offenders
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Nov 27, 2015 23:10
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I would actually recommend Archer as a good gateway into the game. You get most of your toolkit rather early on so combat gets pretty active straight away compared to other jobs that really don't open up for quite some time.
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Pugilist is like the only class that gets a full combo and then some before level 20. It's honestly the only one I remotely enjoy level synced down low.
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At least with Thaum you have to rotate between ice and fire, while throwing lightning in there. I found it a bit more interesting than the melee classes. Moot loving point since CNJ is the best.
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Low level THM isn't that bad really compared to Lancer. The problem with low level THM is that after playing BLM at 40+ then returning to it is like chopping all your limbs off.
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ilifinicus posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L41DwQ4f3FE What cutscene is this? As I don't remember that specific flourish, but then again 2.0 and stuff was quite a while ago. I play with JP voices on, so now I'm curious how the interplay of English Client and JP voices vs JP client and JP voices goes. Captain Oblivious posted:Performing your theoretical optimal rotation or priority system is substantially harder in content that doesn't let you just stand there and turret. Which is most content. poo poo if anything I'd say this game probably has the most complex classes of any mmo I've played.
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sword_man.gif posted:thm is one of the most boring classes in the game at lower levels Yeah, and it's boring until like 42 at which point it suddenly gets pretty good and transitions to loving awesome over the last few levels to 50
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Eimi posted:poo poo if anything I'd say this game probably has the most complex classes of any mmo I've played. What other MMOs have you played, if any?
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In any case he's not going to like FFXIV because every class maximizes its GCD use while in WoW there are specs that don't want to mash a button every GCD. He wants to play autoattack simulator 2003 not a modern MMO.
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Evil Fluffy posted:What other MMOs have you played, if any? WoW, SWTOR, AoC, WAR, Aion, TERA, tried Blade and Soul, FFXI, probably more than I can think of. The only one that would come close is WoW, and I only played very casually in MoP, but I felt the classes I played then (Frost DK, Ret PLD) were very simple compared to Mnk and Drg. Granted it might be because XIV doesn't allow the panoply of UI mods that simplify poo poo that WoW does. Eimi fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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Eej posted:In any case he's not going to like FFXIV because every class maximizes its GCD use while in WoW there are specs that don't want to mash a button every GCD. He wants to play autoattack simulator 2003 not a modern MMO. Runescape it is then
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Antillie posted:I actually don't like the fact that WoW has a global cool down. I liked being able to chain Provoke > Sentinel > Flash > Cure IV > Provoke or Sentinel > Rampart > Warcry as PLD. For me the appealing thing was needing to decide when to use my abilities and why in an intelligent manner instead of always spamming things as soon as their cool down ended (Provoke aside). So the occasional flurry of ability usage doesn't bother me. But in WoW having to hit frostbolt every 1.5 seconds because no DD can ever make enough hate to pull the mob off the tank is just boring. When I played BLM I had to carefully manage my spells against my MP pool (which in WoW is basically infinite) and how much hate the tank had so I didn't run out of MP and become useless or get murdered by the mob. As a PLD I had to pace my abilities to what the DDs were doing. Spamming them was actually far less effective than using them at the proper moments. Shield bash was a great tool for stunning a mob if you lost aggro or if the mob was about to use some deadly ability. But it had a long cool down so if you spammed it it didn't do much for you because you would end up using it at the wrong time. Play a healer or a tank. Yes you will be doing a lot of combos and to be good you have to constantly keep the GCD going but the rotations are more about deciding how much time you can spend dpsing rather than healing, or whether to even bother with tank stance and defensive cooldown usage to efficiently mitigate damage. The yardstick that performance in this game is measured by is DPS, and baseline execution of your job is brain dead easy no matter what. You will need to redefine your expectations but if you go in attempting to maximize your performance you will probably find the game perfectly interesting.
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So, if I understand that correctly, they rewrote Haurchefaunt's dialogue not because they didn't want a gay NPC, but because they didn't want a camp gay NPC?
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Rand Brittain posted:So, if I understand that correctly, they rewrote Haurchefaunt's dialogue not because they didn't want a gay NPC, but because they didn't want a camp gay NPC? He's not camp gay, he's not even specifically gay. He's really into you, the adventurer, and a big fan of boisterous physicality in general. Anything to get the blood pumping and the sweat flowing. He also does enjoy scanty underwear.
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Probably fear of western parents flipping out and the game getting a higher rating than teen when the main character gets solicited.
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Huh, so that feeling I had that he was a little too into my character was, in fact, intended. Did not expect that. On an unrelated note, how screwed am I as a healer going into Void Ark over the weekend?
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Kwyndig posted:Huh, so that feeling I had that he was a little too into my character was, in fact, intended. Did not expect that. Cuchulainn is going to be fun times, especially if the bleeds start stacking up. Other than that, I didn't have any problems when I healed it.
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vOv posted:He's PCsexual. Given how into the adventurer he is, you might say that he's boukensexual.
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Robo Reagan posted:Yeah, and it's boring until like 42 at which point it suddenly gets pretty good and transitions to loving awesome over the last few levels to 50 One of my top 5 moments in gaming was figuring out how to flare properly So satisfying
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Triple flare is back! Though I have no clue how much a max-ether costs.
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Eej posted:in WoW there are specs that don't want to mash a button every GCD Maybe in vanilla, but I've played almost every DPS spec at 100 and if you're not pressing a button at all times you're suboptimal. The only classes that ever take longer than a GCD between skill uses are the ones that use Energy as their primary resource. Also, I am an idiot because Excalibur was accepting new characters for a brief shining moment just now, I made one but then gave it a stupid name so I backed out, deleted, and character creation was locked again.
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Eimi posted:What cutscene is this? As I don't remember that specific flourish, but then again 2.0 and stuff was quite a while ago. I play with JP voices on, so now I'm curious how the interplay of English Client and JP voices vs JP client and JP voices goes. I played Ret PLD once and at the point I played it was literally as easy as pressing 1,2,3,4,5 in order. It's hard to avail class difficulty in general though because they change greatly from expansion to expansion. From what I hear I think the overall difficulty in WoW is more normalized today. I >think< that FFXIV is slightly harder overall, as a whole. With that said, WOTLK Feral Druid was pretty crazy and I think it was the first case of the John Madden rotation jokes in WoW. From Ulduar through ICC there were two sets of rotations/priority lists, the "Default" and the "Hard" one. The default was already harder to pull off properly than any other class I ever played (including Feral post-wotlk), and by the end of ICC there was only one player (some Korean dude) who could pull off 100% of the Hard rotation in Heroic bosses.
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