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Octopode posted:No, it wasn't. lol
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Weren't they trying to kickstart or raise a couple million with the expectation that (actual) private investors would fund the rest?
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Dusty Lens posted:Or you end up with a game like Prophecy. An underrated title led by Rob Irving, who didn't get to have his name plastered all over it, which had a neat behind enemy lines mechanic going on where damage to your mothership was cumulative and could result in losing the game. But even that mechanic was divorced from the overarching story aside from a few pre-made cutscenes where someone would chew you out for allowing the salad bar to get nuked. I heard Prophecy was everything right and I should have played it back in the day, but unfortunately, lil Loi didn't have a good computer at the time, and was into FPS games that could be played in a postage-stamp sized window.
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Loiosh posted:Ships are locked to the owner and those in his or her party for 8 minutes after spawn. However, you can interact with the ramps even if you're not part of the owner's group. So, you can sneak onboard someone's Constellation, which is what just happened to me, and then once they fly far enough out of the 'safe' zone and can initiate combat, you run into their cabin and shoot them. Then it's your ship This madness sounds like it's right up my street thanks for the info.
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Othin posted:Weren't they trying to kickstart or raise a couple million with the expectation that (actual) private investors would fund the rest? Yes. It's right there in the original Kickstarter description, even: "We have investors that have agreed to contribute the balance we need to complete this game as long as we can validate that there is a demand for a high end PC space game. By meeting or surpassing our target on Kickstarter you tell the world that you want a PC based Space Sim and allow us to make this game."
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Nov 28, 2015 03:13
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So they only needed 2 million from the kickstarter though
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Nov 28, 2015 03:14
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Decrepus posted:Do you think they could ever have made ANY game with 2 million? E:D was funded on a litle less than that : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous Talented individuals, even if they aspire to the best tools, learn to work with what they have. Look at the Matrix ; The first one was a 63M budget and was a very interesting, slightly deep and innovative noir movie. Matrix Reloaded had 150 million, Revolution another 150m and look at the bullshit neo-christian drivel we got. Jupiter ascending ? 183 million give you delicious eye candy CGI but unseasonned cold oatmeal storytelling. I think SC is past the Money-Quality equilibrium point. Adding yet more cash to the equation will end up producing a worse game.
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The Meat Dimension posted:This madness sounds like it's right up my street thanks for the info. I need one of those classic keyboard overlays: 
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Loiosh posted:I heard Prophecy was everything right and I should have played it back in the day, but unfortunately, lil Loi didn't have a good computer at the time, and was into FPS games that could be played in a postage-stamp sized window. I was into squinting at Ultima Online because who needs gamma correction. On Net Zero. Maybe download some Rob Zombie songs on Napster while I'm at it.
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Recoome posted:So they only needed 2 million from the kickstarter though They needed 10% of the total budget raised through both Kickstarter and their website combined as front money to secure the rest of the original investor budget. The actual Kickstarter goal was only $500k, with the rest planned to come from the original funding campaign on their website.
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Octopode posted:front money Money laundering operation confirmed
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Octopode posted:No, it wasn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof Octopode posted:Well, they never planned to make a game for $2M. The initial budget was ~$20M. [citation needed] Edit: They did not ask for 20 million. Their originally quoted budget was 2 million. You are technically incorrect. As you know, this is the worst kind of incorrect. Your statements are factually disprovable. Intentions are ambiguous. The facts on public record show that they asked for 2M to fund their game. You said so yourself. Octopode posted:Yes. It's right there in the original Kickstarter description, even: The dollar value expected from their investors is not stated. Their request for Two Million Dollars is stated. In lieu of an other value demonstrably made visible to the public during the same time frame, two million is a valid estimate for their original budget. DreadLlama fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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DreadLlama posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/200998/chris_roberts_on_star_citizen_.php?print=1 quote:His plans started before Double Fine's Broken Age -- then known as Double Fine Adventure -- set a record on Kickstarter. "I'd seen what Minecraft did, and I said, 'It'd be interesting. I could probably get something out for $10 million. It's not the full game I want. And then alpha, sell it at a discount, get people in, and then finish the game off,' which was the big, full $20 million thing I'm talking about." Now try not to post about things when you have literally no idea what you're talking about anymore.
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Octopode posted:http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/200998/chris_roberts_on_star_citizen_.php?print=1 You first, contract lawyer superspy.
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Refund Update CIG gave me a refund for the current value of my hangar minus the AMD promo ship, but nothing for the VD purchases or subscription time. Account is closed. Wait a few days, nothing shows up in bank account. Contact Stripe support, they say the refund should have been instant. Contact my bank, they don't show anything coming in. Chargeback proceeding. gently caress you, Karl.
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Nov 28, 2015 03:37
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Octopode posted:Yes. It's right there in the original Kickstarter description, even: DreadLlama posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof His statements made after the fact to justify his actions are not relevant.
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Nov 28, 2015 03:40
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Can I like buy a star citizen for two dollars to get in on the eventual class action lawsuit?
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Nov 28, 2015 03:42
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Maybe you made the wrong decision and they're just telling you that by not paying you any money because you totally want to be in the VERSE and not this reality. And what do you need American dollars for in the Verse anyway? It's a favour man.
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Macaroni Surprise posted:Can I like buy a star citizen for two dollars to get in on the eventual class action lawsuit? Citizenship must be earned.  PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARP!
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DreadLlama posted:His statements made after the fact to justify his actions are not relevant. You're trying really hard to justify being factually wrong about something.
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Octopode posted:You're trying really hard to justify being factually wrong about something. shut up octopode
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Again, you are required to provide evidence in support of your claim in order to be correct.
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Dusty Lens posted:Maybe download some Rob Zombie songs on Napster while I'm at it. Jesus did this just boot up a dusty sector of my mind.
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Nov 28, 2015 03:49
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Octopode is right about the initial funding.
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DreadLlama posted:Again, you are required to provide evidence in support of your claim in order to be correct. Which I have, from multiple places. How about the counter: provide evidence the original budget was $2M. Until you can provide evidence contrary to that I've provided, you're the one with the burden of proof here.
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This is a good conversation
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Nov 28, 2015 03:52
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lol at octopode's care posts
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Nov 28, 2015 03:56
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TTerrible posted:You first, contract lawyer superspy. Don't forget cloud hosting expert as well.
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Nov 28, 2015 03:56
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Octopode and Karl are game dev Renaissance men
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Octopode, I just finished some important paperwork and I am in a good mood. I am going to celebrate by explaining to you how you are wrong. Currently the established facts are that Chris Roberts of Star Citizen asked the public for two million dollars to be used to make a video game. Investors were mentioned, but no concrete dollar amount was explicitly pushed towards the public at the same time. Therefore it could be assumed that a reasonable and intelligent person with the facts available at that time would expect that 2mil+ was scope of their budget. If Bootcha's experience is representative of his typical investor (and, you have supplied no evidence to the contrary, so I'm inclined to regard him as being typical) - a local, garnered by word of mouth in for the tune of a few dozen thousand. That -extrapolated across a few international offices puts his initial budget to the low side of five million dollars - tops. Do I have to remind you how many times you have to multiply a number like 50,000 to equal 1,000,000? Based on the incredulous nature of Chris Robert's marketing, I not inclined to believe that the $20 million figure quoted in the article was accurate. edit: I am returning to this post specifically for you Octopode: I would like to posit a question. Do you in fact believe that Chris Roberts is an honest and trustworthy man? Would you cite him as a verifiable source for data that you could trust? Would you take his advice on purchasing a used car? Octopode posted:Which I have, from multiple places. How about the counter: provide evidence the original budget was $2M. Until you can provide evidence contrary to that I've provided, you're the one with the burden of proof here. [code] [img]starcitizenkickstarter.jpg[/img] DreadLlama fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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DreadLlama posted:reasonable and intelligent person
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Eonwe posted:lol at octopode's care posts remember when he doxxed himself
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Nov 28, 2015 04:10
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what the gently caress is even happening right now
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I am downloading Elite: Dangerous because it is on sale and also a good game which exists. Also I am calling octopode a liar because it is fun. Othin posted:what the gently caress is even happening right now Hello. How are you?
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Othin posted:what the gently caress is even happening right now Dreams. Dreams happen now.
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Can I get that dancing cat as an avatar? Mods thx tia.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:remember when he doxxed himself that owned really hard
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aleksendr posted:You can also make another StarWars parallel : Lucas had to fight and compromise for his vision at every steps during the first trylogy, resulting in very good films. Once he got everything he wanted, plenty of money, complete creative control and near perfect CGI technology we ended up with the Phantom menace. It was Lucas' wife at the time who reigned him in and kept the movie focused. And did most of the editing iirc. She was also involved with the first Indiana Jones movie. You can see what happened to both series after she left.
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