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RescueFreak posted:Refund Update Chargeback for the VD purchases as well. gently caress them.
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The official forums are changing. Complaint threads have posters in support, the thread where people post their fleet have people mocking others, people bringing up issues in multiple threads. This is interesting to me.
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Nov 28, 2015 04:23
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Chargeback for the VD purchases as well. gently caress them. agreed
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Nov 28, 2015 04:27
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DreadLlama posted:Octopode, I just finished some important paperwork and I am in a good mood. I am going to celebrate by explaining to you how you are wrong. You don't even have the basic facts of the initial funding campaign correct. The goal was specifically to raise $2M to $4M, and was explicitly stated from the day the funding campaign went live on the game's website to be in order to secure the remainder of funding from outside investors. You can easily verify this using archive.org. There's also several older interviews and articles that coroborrate a ~$20M initial target budget, like https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13103-New-Stretch-Goals which was ported over from their old site, or this RPS interview after $8M in funding, which states they're still going with VC investors, even well above the amount you claim was their initial budget target: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/20/chris-roberts-on-life-after-crowdfunding-games-vs-film/ There's literally nothing to support your claim of a $2M target budget.
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peter gabriel posted:The official forums are changing. People are salty for the wrong reasons on there. They're mostly pissed because their sense of ownership on a number of not-yet-released jpgs has been diluted by CIG offering up another batch, and then a bunch of other backers told them to shut the gently caress up about it when they complained. So the usual stuff- it'll die down when the sale ends. Also- I like a good curb stomp as much as any goon, but Octopode is correct- the initial plan was to use the kickstarter as "proof" to a group of anonymous investors who were planning to fund to the tune of 15-20 millo. Might have actually had a game produced if that had happened, too, and CR had to answer to someone.
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Nov 28, 2015 04:30
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The page you quoted indicates that they changed their budget in response to the increase in funding.quote:We are pleased to announce the next set of stretch goals for Star Citizen. When we started to build Star Citizen, the goal was to raise $2 million to prove to investors that there was a market for space sims. What we’ve realized since then is that YOU are responsible for this game and not investors. So we’re going all the way: crowd funding will raise the $21 million needed to produce a AAA space sim. These are the next stretch goals that will take us there—more will be revealed as they are achieved! You have actually argued yourself into a worse position.
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Nov 28, 2015 04:33
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Octopode posted:words shut up octopode
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Nov 28, 2015 04:33
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I am now starting up my time machine and taking us into the future where the $2 million conversation has been resolved
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peter gabriel posted:I am now starting up my time machine and taking us into the future where the $2 million conversation has been resolved 
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Nov 28, 2015 04:36
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DreadLlama posted:The page you quoted indicates that they changed their budget in response to the increase in funding. No, it doesn't. It indicates they changes their crowdfunding goals, not their budget. Perhaps you should learn to read before you attempt to make a point.
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Nov 28, 2015 04:37
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Nov 28, 2015 04:40
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Nov 28, 2015 04:40
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Now you are arguing that they asked for more money but did not increase the amount of money that they were going to use on their game.
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The rare Proboscis Catte, a proud beast
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Is the Backer Community really all that better then a Publisher?
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Nov 28, 2015 04:50
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DreadLlama posted:Now you are arguing that they asked for more money but did not increase the amount of money that they were going to use on their game. Octopode is pretty much in the same league as Sandi, i.e full of bullshit. They've both been everywhere, done everything and know better than anyone else. At least, that's how they see it.
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I'm glad that CIG has managed to avoid the pitfalls of microtransactions, paid DLCs, product placement and rushed delivery to meet arbitrary deadlines. edit: oh wait I get it.
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This is what it's like to be a Star Citizen backer. Can anyone think of something funny? I'm too busy cringing.
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Nov 28, 2015 04:54
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DreadLlama posted:Now you are arguing that they asked for more money but did not increase the amount of money that they were going to use on their game. Okay, you need to stop. All the evidence says this: 1. The crowdfunding goal was a couple million. This was intended to draw investors to COMPLETE THE BUDGET (i.e., the original budget was much higher than a few million) 2. When the kickstarter blew up, they decided to drop the investors and only use crowdfunding. That's why the proportion of the budget that was supposed to come from crowdfunding increased, not the budget itself. It went from 10% crowdfunding/90% investors to 100% crowdfunding. Now can we please poo poo on them for real reasons, like giving CR that much loving money in the first place? Jesus Christ.
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Nov 28, 2015 04:54
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I just wanna know if there's any money left
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Nov 28, 2015 04:56
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Octopode posted:No, it doesn't. It indicates they changes their crowdfunding goals, not their budget. Perhaps you should learn to read before you attempt to make a point. How does it feel to be evangelizing the unbounded, unaccountable crowd-funding of an MLM you loving turd? God I love it when you come around, SO loving funny.
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There was a moment a few weeks back where I swear the penny dropped for Octopode. Sadly, it bounced around a little, rolled, and fell down a drain resulting in little more than a plopping noise. The result, sadly is Octopode is forever cursed to be an idiot, and is probably better to be just told to shut up. Shut up Octopode.
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Nov 28, 2015 05:09
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Verus posted:Okay, you need to stop. All the evidence says: [citation needed]
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Nov 28, 2015 05:10
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Is there any area of knowledge in which Octopode is not an expert?
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DreadLlama posted:[citation needed] I don't really like defending Octopode, but you're being loving ridiculous.
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Google Butt posted:I just wanna know if there's any money left Ben is being fed, Chris has his meth, Sandi has her wax, all is okay in accounting.
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Smart claims to be on the verge of taking his claim to open court. Evidence that's going to be argued there will need to be time-stamped so that the presiding judge can accurately assess Robert's intentions throughout the crowdfunding campaign. Both "what he said" and "when he said it" are factors of consideration. It is known that Roberts retroactively changed his crowdfunding goals after his financial success. No evidence has yet been submitted to the contrary. And if you think that a federal judge is going to go out and do your homework for you so your argument looks better:  edit: 
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Toops posted:How does it feel to be evangelizing the unbounded, unaccountable crowd-funding of an MLM you loving turd? God I love it when you come around, SO loving funny. You realize that pointing out facts about something is not the same thing as defending or promoting it, right? People in this thread often have trouble telling the difference.
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Nov 28, 2015 05:54
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Hello Octopode, You have yet to post any evidence in support of your claim that Chris Roberts needed 20 million dollars from backers at the time of his initial crowdfunding campaign.
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Please don't run Octopode off. We are running out of the crazies. No more Karl. Seraph is a rare sight. We are down to him and the fedora weirdo at this point.
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I just completed a draft of my thesis and I am angry and I would like to harm someone's credibility in an intellectual way. I am hopped up on noopept and am itching for genuine debate. If I can't fight octopode, give me someone else. I want to argue.
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I'm not sure but I think there may be some trolling going on ITT.
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DreadLlama posted:Hello Octopode, You wan to try and base this discussion on judicial standards of evidence, without the institutions that support such standards, like discovery and investigation, so there is no way to satisfy your evidentiary requirements to your satisfaction. However, all the available evidence DOES support my claim, and none of it supports yours. You're being just as irrational as Karl or anyone else defending CIG's practices has ever been, so, congratulations.
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DreadLlama posted:I just completed a draft of my thesis and I am angry and I would like to harm someone's credibility in an intellectual way. I am hopped up on noopept and am itching for genuine debate. If I can't fight octopode, give me someone else. I want to argue. Well there's always Reddit. Bring back some funny pics.
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DreadLlama posted:I just completed a draft of my thesis and I am angry and I would like to harm someone's credibility in an intellectual way. I am hopped up on noopept and am itching for genuine debate. If I can't fight octopode, give me someone else. I want to argue. You had better hope your thesis advisor is lazy and doesn't read it, or you're going to be spending the next year or so trying to convince him the evidence you've researched actually does support your conclusion, despite it saying the exact opposite.
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Octopode posted:You wan to try and base this discussion on judicial standards of evidence, without the institutions that support such standards, like discovery and investigation, so there is no way to satisfy your evidentiary requirements to your satisfaction. However, all the available evidence DOES support my claim, and none of it supports yours. Your resume must be more colorful than a bowl of fruit loops.
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Octopode posted:You wan to try and base this discussion on judicial standards of evidence, without the institutions that support such standards, like discovery and investigation, so there is no way to satisfy your evidentiary requirements to your satisfaction. However, all the available evidence DOES support my claim, and none of it supports yours. You're an idiot and you haven't provided any supportable proof of any of your claims. You are bad at arguing and I dislike you personally. jaegerx posted:Well there's always Reddit. Bring back some funny pics. gently caress it why not.
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Karl come back. You're breaking the threads heart. We need you. But seriously. Go gently caress yourself Karl
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DreadLlama posted:You're an idiot and you haven't provided any supportable proof of any of your claims. You are bad at arguing and I dislike you personally. You still haven't provided any proof of any kind for your claims that was not manufactured in your own head, you know.
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When lowtax and dr smart finish their mmo we will look back on this thread and laugh.
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