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BrianWilly posted:Y'all weirdos are aware that the plea deal Hope got offered, the one that got her "only" twenty years in prison if she confessed to murdering her own parents, was a last minute cheap ploy by the DA, right? Before that point, Hope was going to spend her entire life in jail if Jessica couldn't prove Kilgrave's existence. But oh yea sure, Jessica should just kill him. Good plan. He had a reason. That reason being him wanting and having to be right no matter what and knowing what's best even though it was already under control.
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The Sharmat posted:Am I the only one that loved every minute of the Hogarth's divorce sub plot? Nah, I liked it too.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 00:18 |
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Snak posted:Nah, I liked it too. I liked it, but it wasn't anywhere near my favorite element. Almost everyone else was more interesting to me. (that's not an insult, this show had a really great cast, and Moss and Weigert did very well with what they were given) But then, I don't have a lot of life experience with the queer urban professional scene. I'm sure that plot resonates much more with a different crowd. Also, as others have said, Jeri's plot fit really well thematically, but didn't contribute that much to the narrative in the end, so I understand why people feel like it was a waste. If Jeri never shows up again, that'll be a valid criticism. If they were using this opportunity to build up an interesting character for Iron Fist, though, then that explains why her story hasn't paid off yet, and I'll be able to forgive them for it. XboxPants fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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The Sharmat posted:Am I the only one that loved every minute of the Hogarth's divorce sub plot? I hated all of it and especially how it ended since there was literally no reason for them to have ended up at the doctor's house since Kilgrave said "Take me to a doctor you trust" and there was an entirely wasted subplot devoted to how little Hogarth trusted her ex. I was momentarily thinking that whole subplot would have a payoff when they talked about Kilgrave's parent's being alive. "Finally, the wife will end up being Kilgrave's mom and we get all that dirt and this will all serve a purpose!", but alas.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 00:41 |
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Given the parallels between Hogarth and Kilgrave (self-absorbed, forever convinced they're right or even feeling themselves to be the victims) I had kind of hoped for a moment of catharsis where she realized that yes she absolutely was the bad guy in the divorce, and that Wendy was a truly good person. When Kilgrave told Wendy "If you want her death by 1000 cuts, take it now" I had kind of hoped Wendy wouldn't do it because the way Kilgrave worded it left enough wriggle room to decide not to do it. Making Hogarth come face to face with the reality that she was the bad guy, that Wendy was the victim (and a genuinely good person), and that she was just making things worse by trying to control the divorce would I think have been a stronger ending to that subplot, and would have validated somewhat Hogarth's decision to use her legal prowess to help Jessica in the end.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 00:59 |
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The Sharmat posted:Am I the only one that loved every minute of the Hogarth's divorce sub plot? Please don't troll
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 01:10 |
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Azhais posted:I hated all of it and especially how it ended since there was literally no reason for them to have ended up at the doctor's house since Kilgrave said "Take me to a doctor you trust" and there was an entirely wasted subplot devoted to how little Hogarth trusted her ex. Seriously? It was so Kilgrave could force her to sign the divorce papers.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 01:17 |
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zoux posted:Seriously? It was so Kilgrave could force her to sign the divorce papers. Nah, even Kilgrave commented on when he said "A doctor you trust" she took him to her ex's/
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 01:22 |
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I took it that no matter how much Hogarth hated her ex, she still trusted her as a doctor.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 01:22 |
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And it's not like Hogarth's ex is untrustworthy, even if she hates her.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 01:39 |
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Azhais posted:and there was an entirely wasted subplot devoted to how little Hogarth trusted her ex. That wasn't the subplot.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 02:03 |
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I loved the Hogarth subplot both as a means for exploring the nonpowered person's methods for living life as a manipulative piece of poo poo and as a realistic look at an acrimonious breakup. All three actresses were phenomenal in their roles (though I did have a perverse urge for Wendy to start calling everyone a cocksucker before she got caught between a tchotchke and a hard place). No, I am not an urban professional lesbian. Daredevil was amazing to look at and then I kept falling asleep. Never bothered to finish it. Rosario Dawson is an awful actress and also thinks that "warriess" is a word and the feminine form of warrior.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 02:14 |
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Soothing Vapors posted:Please don't troll Nelson vs. Murdock is also my least favorite episode of Daredevil. BarbarousBertha posted:Rosario Dawson is an awful actress and also thinks that "warriess" is a word and the feminine form of warrior. What BarbarousBertha posted:and also thinks that "warriess" is a word and the feminine form of warrior.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 02:29 |
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Hogarth going to Wendy's was supposed to show she did still trust her, and was lying to everyone and herself when poo poo talking her. Kilgrave's order forced her to face that she was being selfish with the divorce and that she was in fact the bad guy in that. Even if you dislike the subplot, it's a pretty good end to it that at least doesn't hit you over the head with the lesson.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 02:36 |
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^^^ Exactly, and Wendy loved Hogarth for being nice to her even while being a bastard to everyone else while Pam loved Hogarth for being so excellent at being a bastard. Hogarth just felt relieved at being in a relationship without having to pretend to be nice for any length of time. The themes all match up with different facets of Jessica's story and even Trish's.The Sharmat posted:What
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 02:47 |
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Practical Demon posted:that at least doesn't hit you over the head with the lesson. Joke about goons being dense goes here.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 02:49 |
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The Sharmat posted:Joke about goons being dense goes here. Follow-up joke about needing a vase and a coffee table.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 02:58 |
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I think the Hogarth divorce plot is suffering from the same thing the Simpson as a super soldier plot is with viewers. The show clearly could have been cut by a few episodes and since those things don't directly tie into the plot for the most part, they're near the top of things to cut in viewers heads. Right along with the Weirdo Twins. Killgrave plot would probably be up there normally, but almost everyone likes Killgrave as a villain and weren't tired of him.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 03:15 |
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BarbarousBertha posted:(though I did have a perverse urge for Wendy to start calling everyone a cocksucker before she got caught between a tchotchke and a hard place). Oh my God that was Calamity Jane I knew she looked familiar
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 03:21 |
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So... Watching episode 2 and Kilgrave...
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:06 |
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TARDISman posted:and Kilgrave... That's your summary of the show right there.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:13 |
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So I didn't know anything whatsoever about JJ before coming into this and I was really into Kilgrave. I probably know even less about Luke Cage so who would be possible season-long villains for him? I'm looking at his enemies list on Wikipedia but I can't see a single name on there I recognize besides the Purple Man. I'm curious about who would give Luke a difficult time of things, since he just has super strength and unbreakable skin, and would be interesting enough to last a full season.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:48 |
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Sir Potato posted:I probably know even less about Luke Cage so who would be possible season-long villains for him?
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:59 |
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Soothing Vapors posted:If Luke Cage isn't about his 13 episode quest to recover his $200 from Dr. Doom I don't even know what the loving point is
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 06:05 |
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Finished JJ and I have to say I enjoyed it for different reasons to Daredevil. I enjoyed the expanded cast of JJ and that they were given opportunities to shine. I felt that with DD it was a tighter story, but Foggy/Karen didn't get to do too much. JJ did a lot more worldbuilding and felt a fair bit more everyday, compared to the occassionally borderline Sin City DD. I also loved the moments Rytter dipped back into her Gia/Apartment 23 personas. "Congratulations! You've won a XBox One!" Do we know what Luke Cage stories they're going to adapt for his season? Has JJ done well enough to warrant a second season? Will we see these guys in the MCU?
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 10:37 |
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One thing I preferred in the comic version that I have not read and am basing off of goon posts is that he also emotionally manipulated people with his power. The Stockholm Syndrome JJ seemed to suffer would have worked a lot better for me if he was forcing emotions on people more directly, it might have been there and I missed it because of marathoning it though. I mean giving someone a compulsion to cut off your spouses face is pretty bad but forcing someone to love you is some next level poo poo.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 10:56 |
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Andrew_1985 posted:
AFAIK they've still only optioned 60 episodes, so 26 for Daredevil(2 seasons), 13 JJ, probably 13 Cage and 8 for the ensemble makes the 60. So second a season for JJ, first for IF, 3rd for DD or 2nd for Cage will take some renegotiation. Edit: oh and I really hope we see JJ for the Civil War, apparently part of all their contracts is that they need to make themselves available for the cinematic universe stuff, so fingers crossed. Woden fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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Woden posted:One thing I preferred in the comic version that I have not read and am basing off of goon posts is that he also emotionally manipulated people with his power. The Stockholm Syndrome JJ seemed to suffer would have worked a lot better for me if he was forcing emotions on people more directly, it might have been there and I missed it because of marathoning it though. Sometimes he made people want to do the stuff he asked them to, and sometimes he made them do it but not want to do it.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 11:24 |
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Daredevil S2 AFAIK is not part of the 60 episodes initially ordered. It was added after the fact.
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Snak posted:Nah, I liked it too. Jerusalem posted:Given the parallels between Hogarth and Kilgrave (self-absorbed, forever convinced they're right or even feeling themselves to be the victims) I had kind of hoped for a moment of catharsis where she realized that yes she absolutely was the bad guy in the divorce, and that Wendy was a truly good person. Just ended the series, and I gotta say it was great. I liked that most of the main characters were women, given the theme of abuse. That said, I don't think that Wendy was the "good guy" in the divorce sub-plot. Sure, it sucks that Hogarth changed her for a younger, hotter woman, but she does admit that her blackmailing Hogarth for 75-90% of her money was just purely out of spite and to hurt her like she had been hurt. I think it ties into what Robyn and Luke said about forgiveness, that by not forgiving someone means you're still holding into the damage that was done to you, and letting the person who wronged you still have some control over you, by not letting go of your grudge. Soothing Vapors posted:If Luke Cage isn't about his 13 episode quest to recover his $200 from Dr. Doom I don't even know what the loving point is If the Jessica Jones series is any indication, Luke will face a guy who he can't just punch into paste, and be more of an indication of a larger problem. I'm rooting for him taking on police abuse towards minorities. punchymcpunch posted:Sometimes he made people want to do the stuff he asked them to, and sometimes he made them do it but not want to do it. I liked when he explained he can't turn off his powers and made me like him for a bit but then I remembered we saw him buy the house without using his powers so he knows how not to do it, it just turns out it's hard, and just using his power is easier. His whole excuse for what he does in the end is victim blaming. Like "If you didn't want to get raped you wouldn't be walking at night with that tight dress", except it is more like "If you didn't want me to mind control you, you shouldn't show your superpowers in public/have a nice car/use a sweet jacket".
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 12:19 |
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To be fair having to consciously and constantly focus on wording things in a way where they can't be considered a command would be draining as all hell.
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Dexo posted:To be fair having to consciously and constantly focus on wording things in a way where they can't be considered a command would be draining as all hell. It wasn't wording, as much as actively using his power to do it. To be fair, having that power since he was 10 means that he had grown so accustomed to using it, to make his words have intention behind it so much that it was normal to him. Like using your car to go to the corner store, there will come a point when you think it's easier to take it out of the garage and drive, instead of just walking there. Doesn't mean you're not a lazy gently caress for taking the easy way.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 12:32 |
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So much trouble could have been avoided if Jessica didn't refuse to use her laser eyes for absolutely no reason.
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Sir Potato posted:So I didn't know anything whatsoever about JJ before coming into this and I was really into Kilgrave. I probably know even less about Luke Cage so who would be possible season-long villains for him? I'm looking at his enemies list on Wikipedia but I can't see a single name on there I recognize besides the Purple Man. I'm curious about who would give Luke a difficult time of things, since he just has super strength and unbreakable skin, and would be interesting enough to last a full season. I wonder if they could use Tombstone, normally a Spider-Man villain and adjust him for Luke Cage.
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VocalizePlayerDeath posted:So much trouble could have been avoided if Jessica didn't refuse to use her laser eyes for absolutely no reason. She's more like the real Superman than the lovely one from MoS IMO
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Dexo posted:She's more like the real Superman than the lovely one from MoS IMO I'm glad the "real" Superman also snaps people's necks.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 15:08 |
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The real Superman just throws people into his bottomless Arctic pit and lets them die down there or suffocates them with an unbreakable plastic bag.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 15:27 |
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Dexo posted:She's more like the real Superman than the lovely one from MoS IMO The real Superman almost drunkenly murders people by throwing them under subway trains. computer parts posted:I'm glad the "real" Superman also snaps people's necks.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 15:29 |
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They've already cast the villains for Luke Cage. Alfre Woodard as Black Mariah and Mahershala Ali as Cottonmouth. Neither of them are superhuman, I believe, but they'll both have a lot of influence and power in Harlem, so I'm hoping it'll be more about a struggle over the neighborhood in ways that expand on Daredevil. Given Luke's past and the villains they picked, I'd expect incarceration, the criminal justice system, and corruption to be prominent themes, but maybe that's just me hoping.
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# ? Nov 28, 2015 15:33 |
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punchymcpunch posted:Sometimes he made people want to do the stuff he asked them to, and sometimes he made them do it but not want to do it. Yeah, sometimes he told people that they want to do something, other times he just told them to do it. Of course he could also just tell you to love him without telling you to want to. Or decide they like a new cuisine they'd previously hated. The careless way Killgrave tends to use his power combined with the victim's interpretation of commands leads to some really hosed up stuff happening in the victim's head. I wonder how many people he's killed by having them sit down to meals full of things they're allergic to.
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