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bunnyofdoom posted:Two thoughts One, this makes me happy to be Canadian. The synagogue helping not the arson I mean. Two, when I am done my semester, who would like to see me make a Helsing style effort post on how the LPC won from an insider? I will not spare punches about our fuckups, but I would also like to note that the LPC win was not entirely based on the NDP vote collapse. It was a factor, especially in Quebec, but there is alot more. I would love to see that. The liberals coming from behind was by no means a sure thing at the beginning - that's why I initially supported the NDP, financially.
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flakeloaf posted:And good luck taking someone from "murder your wife for no reason" levels of PTSD to "generally regarded as safe". Constant Hamprince posted:Extremely violent, obvious due to the job where he brutally and mercilessly slaughtered hundreds of inaccurate GPS survey points. White wash it all you like, my point stands.
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http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/11/26/ontario-budget-deficit-dips-to-75-billion-says-sousa.html Government uses asset sales to lower projected deficit, cue outrage in 3 2 1 never because they're Liberals nevermind where do I get a signed picture of sexy people who have to work 2 to 3 times harder than I do?
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Ikantski posted:http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/11/26/ontario-budget-deficit-dips-to-75-billion-says-sousa.html Wait, didn't they have the Hydro One sale plan in mind awhile ago? If so, why the hell didn't they project that in the budget to begin with? I mean sure, they could have not been confident enough to project it, but then they certainly shouldn't be trumpeting like this.
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Nov 27, 2015 21:09
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vyelkin posted:The NDP's aversion to raising personal income tax rates is mystifying to me, and I think it ties into their confused status as a party. The NDP are nominally a social democratic party, in that they theoretically want to put in place a socioeconomic system reminiscent of the Nordic social democratic states or the vision of society presented by parties like Germany's SDP or Bernie Sanders's democratic socialism. In the world today, we have examples of highly successful social democratic states, in the form of the Nordic countries. In fact, when social democrats like myself actually have any evidence for why we want to enact policies like national childcare or free university tuition (rather than just a feeling that such a policy would be a moral good, or theoretical thinking about how such a policy would work), it's usually based on policies that have been successfully enacted in countries like Sweden that have empirically worked and worked better than the alternatives. Why can't they just spend their advertising budget making exactly this explanation into a hip goddamn infomercial and blast it every commercial break through an election cycle. The problem with Canada isn't the politicians being weak, it's most of the electorate being ignorant as gently caress.
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Nov 27, 2015 21:19
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Coolwhoami posted:Wait, didn't they have the Hydro One sale plan in mind awhile ago? If so, why the hell didn't they project that in the budget to begin with? I mean sure, they could have not been confident enough to project it, but then they certainly shouldn't be trumpeting like this. They originally said it would go directly into the Trillium Trust so it wouldn't affect the deficit. It's just sitting in general revenue now, presumably to make a nice halftime headline, best case.
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Rime posted:Why can't they just spend their advertising budget making exactly this explanation into a hip goddamn infomercial and blast it every commercial break through an election cycle. The problem with Canada isn't the politicians being weak, it's most of the electorate being ignorant as gently caress. Because they're not proposing to do that. Nobody is.
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Rime posted:Why can't they just spend their advertising budget making exactly this explanation into a hip goddamn infomercial and blast it every commercial break through an election cycle. The problem with Canada isn't the politicians being weak, it's most of the electorate being ignorant as gently caress. Where do our politicians come from? It's both.
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Re: Bill 6 my husband grew up on a family farm. There is no way in hell that this bill will stop anything. These laws already existed in Australia when he grew up and it never stopped him from having to work for free on the farm every school holiday since he was six, and he even crushed his thumb in a hydrolic press, which to this day still looks weird and a bit crushed (though you have to be comparing his two thumbs to really notice).
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vyelkin posted:The NDP then have this backwards, seemingly (to me at least) because they care more about the optics of their proposals than they do about their actual effects. The optics of the Nordic taxation system seem backwards to people who don't know how the system works: "They're taking money out of my pocket but letting the corporations get rich" etc. But it works better than our system. And, seemingly, either the NDP doesn't recognize that their tax policies are the inverse of successful social democracies, or they're more concerned about seeming like they're taxing corporations while giving the *~middle class~* a tax break than they are about proposing effective policies. I think that fear comes from a general distrust in the government's ability to efficiently spend tax funds, and this being a response to it. They also care about optics because the burden is upon them to first rise to power in order to implement such policies, and if there is no readily visible path to do this they shift toward avenues that do, but in doing so let certain aspects of the ideal fall away. To actually rise up, circumstances need to be ideal for it. This past elections was such an opportunity, but the NDP failed to differentiate themselves well from the Liberal party and relied heavily on their ideology coming from their brand. That was a massive mistake, and the choice of Mulcair as leader was the first step toward this, as I feel he was chosen primarily to hold seats that were extremely unlikely to remain held.
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The top-voted comments on this are insane http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/funding-for-climate-change-chogm-1.3339907 quote:All these massive spending announcements and Canadians haven't seen a dime of it...not one. quote:Holy. Is this ever going to end Justin? Just this week alone, you have been so gracious with taxpayer's money. Giving it all out to everyone that asks, for a good reputation for Canada? Seriously, give your head a shake. All this liberal dreaming to save the world. There are people to feed here, and an economy that is tanking for real. quote:Stop giving away our money. quote:Liberals and NDP take note. You are digging your own grave, and you won't be in power again for a long, long time. quote:Spend ! Spend ! Spend ! quote:An historical massive deficit on it's way. quote:Canadians just borrowed and paid billions so Trudeau can pat himself on the back and puff his chest out during climate talk in Paris. 
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Kafka Esq. posted:Canada needs a “roadmap” to guide future investments in “big science and large-scale science projects,” both domestically and abroad, says the head of the Canadian Foundation for Innovation. It's nice that he's going to bat for funding big science infrastructure and experiments, but regarding the comment that individual disciplines need to develop their own roadmaps and priorities for the next x years... Well, some already do. I would say most but i don't know specifically about bio/chem - I imagine their relevant socieites must have 5- or 10-year plans. That won't make the money appear any faster, sadly.
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HookShot posted:Re: Bill 6 my husband grew up on a family farm. There is no way in hell that this bill will stop anything. I don't think it's apt to compare a province's farming regulations with Australia. Regardless actually having laws around safety in a farming environment is a good thing, especially when your talking about youngsters who die in accidents. A young man died, buried under steel fencing not long ago in my home town. Perhaps there should be greater scrutiny on health and safety and actual labor laws.
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Baudin posted:I don't think it's apt to compare a province's farming regulations with Australia. Regardless actually having laws around safety in a farming environment is a good thing, especially when your talking about youngsters who die in accidents. A young man died, buried under steel fencing not long ago in my home town. Perhaps there should be greater scrutiny on health and safety and actual labor laws. Not to mention, there isn't any path to increased scrutiny if the law doesn't even apply.
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What would it take to actually raise taxes in Canada across the board? Dropping rating of Canadian bonds?
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Baudin posted:I don't think it's apt to compare a province's farming regulations with Australia. Regardless actually having laws around safety in a farming environment is a good thing, especially when your talking about youngsters who die in accidents. A young man died, buried under steel fencing not long ago in my home town. Perhaps there should be greater scrutiny on health and safety and actual labor laws. How is comparing a country that does have laws about farming that families just ignore unfair to compare with Alberta? Farmers in Canada are incredibly similar to farmers in Australia. I totally agree that the laws should be there, and I have absolutely no problem with Bill 6 and think it's a good thing, but people are kidding themselves if they think it's going to stop farming families from using their kids to help around the farm, including using dangerous equipment.
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I saw this on my feed: Someone on my feed tried to argue that it is good to make your kids work on a farm, because when they turn 18 they'll be more experienced than an 18 year old that has not worked on a farm. Lots of "working on a farm will keep your kid from turning into a homo" kind of stuff, too.
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Lassitude posted:Sell Alberta to the US, tia.
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eXXon posted:Cool story. Did you actually put money on the Liberals winning before the election started? Who successfully predicted how it would end (and why) before the campaign began, if the outcome was so blindingly obvious? I put the majority of my election gamblin' money into the Liberals after the first debate and ended up doubling my money (a cool thousand bucks  ). It seemed like a safe enough bet. There was an exceptionally strong anti-Harper group, and they were going to fall behind either the NDP or the Liberals. Mulcair always seemed rather lame. He proved his lameness through his policies, and showcased that lameness at the debates.
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Lassitude posted:Sell Alberta to the US, tia. No way. Sell Alberta to a country that would make them even more miserable, not happier.
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Gorewar posted:I saw this on my feed: Could we actually get a neutral source fact-checking this? Honestly, it seems like some of those things should probably be allowed, while others should not be. I expect it's alarmist nonsense, but on the off-chance that it's not, will kids really be prohibited from taking part in brandings, or riding on tractors with their parents, or "pasture moves on horseback" (honestly, that sounds like it should be an observation-only thing for most kids and early teens working on farms)? I'm curious how much of this is about legitimately not being able to involve your kids in the family business as is appropriate, and how much of it is about "what do you mean, my free labour pool just went away???" I'm inclined to support the ANDP on this, but I think if this graphic is true, they may have gone a bit too far.
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These dumbasses are treating farms like its some sort of industrial venture... I know when I was a child my pop used to take me down blasting at the quarry all the time, then I'd hop in the excavator with him for some quality time.
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As far as I can tell, they're just taking out the "this does not apply to farming" clause in the employment standards and safety acts that apply to literally every other job. Nobody gives a poo poo if your dad takes you to help milk the cows when you're ten. The fact that farmhands don't get worksafe coverage and farms don't have to follow ohs requirements is insane. That's the problem that this is fixing. Seriously, if you've ever read the provincial OHS requirements, they're pretty basic things. T.C. fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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Look how is my small business supposed to prosper if I'm not allowed to enslave my employees? It's not fair that Tim Horton's franchisees get a pass and get to enslave will the Filipinos that they want.
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PT6A posted:Could we actually get a neutral source fact-checking this? Honestly, it seems like some of those things should probably be allowed, while others should not be. I expect it's alarmist nonsense, but on the off-chance that it's not, will kids really be prohibited from taking part in brandings, or riding on tractors with their parents, or "pasture moves on horseback" (honestly, that sounds like it should be an observation-only thing for most kids and early teens working on farms)? I'm curious how much of this is about legitimately not being able to involve your kids in the family business as is appropriate, and how much of it is about "what do you mean, my free labour pool just went away???" I'm inclined to support the ANDP on this, but I think if this graphic is true, they may have gone a bit too far. Non-farm family businesses have to follow the rules. This is "I want to raise my kids exactly like how I was raised, 21st century be damned." I don't know why you say the ANDP has gone a bit far when they are just applying the same rules in every industry to farming. edit: ^^ That too.
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but isn't Alberta known for having lovely OHS in general? I seem to recall an assembly in high school talking about worker's rights and somewhere in there I think I remember hearing that our safety standards are pretty poo poo in comparison to the rest of Canada. Incidentally I brought up the whole "it is making farmers pay their workers living wages and WCB" and my dad said "did the applicants for the TFW program have WCB back home?" to which I was very close to saying "dad there is actually a alight difference between 'playing Devil's advocate' and sounding loving retarded and you just demonstrated that". Speaking of "things we can't do on the family farm anymore because of Bill 6" I heard on CBC this afternoon that this will affect 4H, so as someone born and raised in the city what the gently caress do kids DO in 4H?
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Cultural Imperial posted:Look how is my small business supposed to prosper if I'm not allowed to enslave my employees? It's not fair that Tim Horton's franchisees get a pass and get to enslave will the Filipinos that they want. Don't these assholes get massive subsidies on their crops as well? It's like we're all supporting this way of life that doesn't make sense anymore. edit: another brilliant line from facebook - "it's not child labor, it's called chores!" Gorewar fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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I honestly can't wait until our food is grown in factories in urban areas and these fucks can assimilate or die off. I'd much rather the land return to nature than deal any more with these pricks.
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Excelsiortothemax posted:I honestly can't wait until our food is grown in factories in urban areas and these fucks can assimilate or die off. Yeah, give me nuclear powered urban vat farms producing a wide variety of crops and synthmeat and totally divorce our selves from the land as much as possible.
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah, give me nuclear powered urban vat farms producing a wide variety of crops and synthmeat and totally divorce our selves from the land as much as possible. Agreed. The sooner we can remove our impact off the land the better.
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Excelsiortothemax posted:Agreed. The sooner we can remove our impact off the land the better. o'neill cylinders or bust
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Just get "biohackers" to invent some kind of implant that makes humans able to photosynthesize.
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Gorewar posted:Don't these assholes get massive subsidies on their crops as well? It's like we're all supporting this way of life that doesn't make sense anymore. Yeah I remember when I had to put the dishes in the dishwasher I had to watch out for an accident that could take a limb or my life, just like farm boys
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Excelsiortothemax posted:I honestly can't wait until our food is grown in factories in urban areas and these fucks can assimilate or die off. I'm actually trying to do that here.
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Excelsiortothemax posted:Agreed. The sooner we can remove our impact off the land the better. Humans have been curating the land for thousands and thousands of years, even before agriculture. It's usually a good deal for both us and the land! I don't think you know what you're talking about, you sound a hell of a lot like a person who has never lived anywhere except suburbia.
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Aces High posted:but isn't Alberta known for having lovely OHS in general? I seem to recall an assembly in high school talking about worker's rights and somewhere in there I think I remember hearing that our safety standards are pretty poo poo in comparison to the rest of Canada. cool alberta ohs thing: i was working in bc and i told someone there about how in alberta scaffolds must be inspected by a qualified person once every 21 days and they did a spit take because in bc its every single day
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Argas posted:o'neill cylinders or bust Our souls are still tied down by Earth's gravity.
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