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These two Bors political cartoons should be in the OP and ever new thread until the Regressives are a dead party*.  *never going to happen.
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Nov 28, 2015 23:19
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PUGGERNAUT posted:Stuff like this is one of the reasons I drifted away from the Catholic church. I liked all of the ideas about social justice, caring for the poor, etc., but the way they prioritized fetuses over mothers is so dehumanizing. It makes sense that Catholics are anti-abortion given all the subsequent doctrine, but I don't get the militantly anti-abortion fundamentalists/evangelicals. Abortion is nearly(totally?) absent from the bible, despite the practice existing at the time. If your worldview is heavily informed by scripture, why would this then become the most important issue?
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Nov 28, 2015 23:27
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He's so antigovernment that he's apolitical. Evangelicals hate abortions for two reasons: 1) gently caress independent women 2) the GOP told them to.
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Nov 28, 2015 23:27
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joe football posted:It makes sense that Catholics are anti-abortion given all the subsequent doctrine, but I don't get the militantly anti-abortion fundamentalists/evangelicals. Abortion is nearly(totally?) absent from the bible, despite the practice existing at the time. If your worldview is heavily informed by scripture, why would this then become the most important issue? Fundamentalists aren't really cool with sex. In practice, much less so than Catholics despite not having a lot of actual doctrine differences. A lot of that's because fundamentalists are more you break a rule you're damned, catholics are more like we're all terrible, repent and you're good.
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Nov 28, 2015 23:32
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joe football posted:It makes sense that Catholics are anti-abortion given all the subsequent doctrine, but I don't get the militantly anti-abortion fundamentalists/evangelicals. Abortion is nearly(totally?) absent from the bible, despite the practice existing at the time. If your worldview is heavily informed by scripture, why would this then become the most important issue? Reading into the history, Abortion was criminalized in Britain in the early 19th Century and the Americans seemed to follow from their example, with every state having it mostly illegal (i.e., you couldn't just get one without health of the mother or w/e) by 1900. The religious justification likely derives from the rise of the Religious Right. During that time, Catholics and Protestants banded together in a (mostly) cohesive block. A side effect of that is that some beliefs were exchanged between the two groups. This is also where the religious justification against contraception comes from; Jimmy Carter spelled out the ~1970s Protestant belief in contraception in his statement "The best way to reduce abortions is to ensure that women have proper access to birth control" (or similar sentiments anyway).
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Nov 28, 2015 23:43
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Fried Chicken posted:So all the previous incidents of him getting into conflicts about anti Obama conspiracy theories, the rebel flag, and defending mishandling guns on an extreme & borderline sovereign citizen 2nd amendment interpretation mark him as non political? Who? The shooter at PP? I haven't seen anything on him yet.
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Nov 28, 2015 23:44
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DemeaninDemon posted:He's so antigovernment that he's apolitical. Nope, there are true believers that really think it's killing a baby.
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Nov 28, 2015 23:49
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Yeah, Evangelicals have never been okay with abortion in fact almost all Christian denominations don't particularly care for it. I actually can't think of one that is like " Yeah, abortion is totally fine".
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Nov 28, 2015 23:50
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Trabisnikof posted:Dude was a co-pastor too, so expect the "no true Christian" to be flying fast. The shooter wasn't. The cop that he killed was a co-pastor at his church and was anti-abortion. By all current public accounts of him he was a loner that had a long history of problems with neighbors and almost no internet presence to speak of. Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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Nov 28, 2015 23:52
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It appears I have that backwards then. Well ummm it helps knowing that the antichoice crowd believes the person starts as soon as the little swimmer burrows into the egg. The human soul starts there so the rest sort of falls from that stance. Also hating women who have sex for any reason beyond marital sex for only baby making.
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Nov 28, 2015 23:55
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Evangelicals didn't give a poo poo about abortion until they were told to by shitstains like Falwell circa 1980. E: Hell look up Christianity Today's 1968 Conception and Abortion issue in the immediate aftermath of Roe.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:01
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Fried Chicken posted:So all the previous incidents of him getting into conflicts about anti Obama conspiracy theories, the rebel flag, and defending mishandling guns on an extreme & borderline sovereign citizen 2nd amendment interpretation mark him as non political? sorry, I didnt learn any of that stuff until now. didnt mean to offend. I am just going off what other people and news stories have said. I believe he probably is some domestic right wing terrorist. but i would like more info released on him first.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:04
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Hollismason posted:Yeah, Evangelicals have never been okay with abortion in fact almost all Christian denominations don't particularly care for it. I actually can't think of one that is like " Yeah, abortion is totally fine". Not quite true. Abortion was fine with evangelicals, mainline protestants, and most Catholics at the beginning. It just rapidly became the football
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Nov 29, 2015 00:10
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See: the quickening. This "begins at conception" bullshit is new and weird and I have no idea how it proliferated global religious beliefs so god damned quickly.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:12
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We'll never know http://nbcnews.to/1Iqm3ny quote:In one statement, made after the suspect was taken in for questioning, Dear said "no more baby parts" in reference to Planned Parenthood, according to two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case. WE'LL NEVER KNOW
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Nov 29, 2015 00:13
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Luigi Thirty posted:We'll never know
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fosborb posted:See: the quickening. This "begins at conception" bullshit is new and weird and I have no idea how it proliferated global religious beliefs so god damned quickly. It's a much more coherent belief than the quickening once you understand the biology. And it is, by far, the simplest bright line to justify between "person" and "not-person".
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Nov 29, 2015 00:19
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FlamingLiberal posted:NOPE, NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MENTAL ILLNESS! You'd have to be crazy to believe in right-wing propaganda! 
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Nov 29, 2015 00:21
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Luigi Thirty posted:We'll never know Holy poo poo. If he'd said "allahu akbar" the media sure as hell wouldn't be reminding us that he also said lots of stuff and it's not clear how much his Wahhabist beliefs and Daesh affiliation played into this.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:24
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Luigi Thirty posted:We'll never know ITS HEART BEATING ITS LEGS KICKING  HARVEST ITS BRAIN edit: oh poo poo, haha, go check Mr Ice Cream Glove's last two posts in the right wing media thread re: #babyparts Von Sloneker fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Nov 29, 2015 00:27
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Who wants to bet this guy raises 100s of thousands of dollars over the next 2 weeks for his defense.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:36
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Hollismason posted:Who wants to bet this guy raises 100s of thousands of dollars over the next 2 weeks for his defense. Gofundme has banned legal defense fundraisers.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:39
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I don't think Kim Davies had any problems raising money for her defense.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:40
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I doubt this guy gets a pro bono setup like she got, and anyway she got what she paid for with LU.
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Hollismason posted:I don't think Kim Davies had any problems raising money for her defense. Actually she did. They put that new rule in like a day or two before she started her poo poo show. Her lawyers actually had to do some leg work to set up whatever kind of account you need to accept donations directly.
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^ Gofundme put the rule in place when Sweet Cakes raised money using their site. Their rules were in place well before Davis became the Right Wing Champion of the Week(tm). This guy kill a (white) cop and injured several others. Anyone who'd donate to a defense fund for him should be put on a terrorist watch list. e: vvvvvvvv Definitely. There's really no good way to spin it, especially if the guy turns out to be an unhinged right wing wacko who acted in part due to the doctored PP 'baby part selling' videos. Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Nov 29, 2015 00:58
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Evil Fluffy posted:This guy kill a (white) cop and injured several others. Anyone who'd donate to a defense fund for him should be put on a terrorist watch list.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:59
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For real not a single GOP candidate has made any statement of any type about this, including at least 1 who has had a rally since? Has any prominent GOP politician? Unless we're counting on Trump yelling at his fans to please not beat up the protesters being escorted out.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:01
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BuzzFeed claims to have talked to a neighbor who said Dear handed out anti-Obama leaflets and said he should be impeached. http://www.buzzfeed.com/aliciamelvillesmith/heres-what-we-know-about-planned-parenthood-suspect#.hsOBZo05W BuzzFeed posted:Buzzfeed reports today, "Post said he once went to Dear’s home to retrieve two dogs that had gotten loose. 'We were there for a minute and the guy was already handing us anti-Obama pamphlets,' he said. According to Post, Dear said 'Obama was ruining the country and needed to be impeached.'"
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Nov 29, 2015 01:02
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PhazonLink posted:These two Bors political cartoons should be in the OP and ever new thread until the Regressives are a dead party*. imho, referring to political parties by fake insulting names is just as childish whether you're referring to the 'Regressive Party' or the 'Dumbocrats'.
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Quorum posted:Holy poo poo. If he'd said "allahu akbar" the media sure as hell wouldn't be reminding us that he also said lots of stuff and it's not clear how much his Wahhabist beliefs and Daesh affiliation played into this. The media isn't terrified as gently caress to lose media access to Muslims. They are terrified of the Republican Party picking up their ball and going home because an NBC anchor said something that might have possibly implied that the shooting had something to do with what the Republican Party has been screeching about and trying to shutdown the government over, especially since the Republican Party has yet to plan to do otherwise. The Washington Post posted:Republicans are now looking to use the omnibus to dramatically scale back environmental regulations and rules for banks, despite warnings from Democrats that they could serve as “poison pills” that would imperil the legislation. Democrats are also worried that the additional spending allowed in the budget deal won’t be directed toward the domestic programs they favor. There also is still a chance that lawmakers could try to end funding for Syrian refugee programs through the omnibus, and the question of whether to fund embattled women’s health group Planned Parenthood continues to linger. That's right, we're still headed for a shutdown on December 11 because Republicans still want absolutely everything on their list to Santa and will throw a temper-tantrum in Laws R Us until they get their way. ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Nov 29, 2015 01:04
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Quorum posted:Holy poo poo. If he'd said "allahu akbar" the media sure as hell wouldn't be reminding us that he also said lots of stuff and it's not clear how much his Wahhabist beliefs and Daesh affiliation played into this. How can we know he wasn't angry about infants being cast in films and wanted every future production to use fake ones like American Sniper did? We should avoid jumping to conclusions here.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The cop being killed is probably why the GOP candidates are staying quiet. Epic High Five posted:For real not a single GOP candidate has made any statement of any type about this, including at least 1 who has had a rally since? Has any prominent GOP politician? this. they are gonna try to ignore this the best they can. Maybe huckabee or cruz will make a backhanded insult about PP and stuff. and this dude will go on to be a fringe hero to some in the right.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:06
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I hope this shooting at least shames them out of a government shutdown. :/
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:I hope this shooting at least shames them out of a government shutdown. :/ As the article I linked shows, they have four other perfectly viable reasons to shutdown the government (defund the EPA, repeal Dodd-Frank, only increase the military budget and nothing else, defund all attempts to bring in Syrian refugees), so I don't think removing that one item from their arsenal makes a government shutdown that much less likely.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:As the article I linked shows, they have four other perfectly viable reasons to shutdown the government (defund the EPA, repeal Dodd-Frank, fund only the military, defund all attempts to bring in Syrian refugees), so I don't think removing that one item from their arsenal makes a government shutdown that much less likely. Any chance they'll go, "hey maybe if this doesn't work like every other time it will only sour the base more toward us while emboldening Trump?"
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Epic High Five posted:Any chance they'll go, "hey maybe if this doesn't work like every other time it will only sour the base more toward us while emboldening Trump?" It's Scylla and Charybdis. If they don't shutdown, Trump wins because the Republican leadership in Congress are RINO chickenshits who won't stand up for what Real America is demanding. If they do shutdown, when the inevitable backlash comes and Republicans relent, Trump wins because the Republican leadership in Congress are RINO chickenshits who won't stand up for what Real America is demanding. Either way, Paul Ryan is about to get his first helping of poo poo sandwich.
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Epic High Five posted:Any chance they'll go, "hey maybe if this doesn't work like every other time it will only sour the base more toward us while emboldening Trump?" the idea of the gop shutting down the government and trump just attacking them for it non-stop is both exciting and terrifying. he'd get so much support for it.
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