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The Doctor was active for the whole x-ty billion year cycle, as that is how long it took to wear down the barrier 1 cycle at a time, it's just that each time the loop resets so does his body and memories. So chronologically the Doctor has only aged as long as the last cycle (which as you say is maybe about a week).
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Does the BBC have the rights to reproduce footage from the TV movie? I mean, if they ever, for some unknowable reason, want to show that "Half human on my mother's side" clip?
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Nov 28, 2015 23:41
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Best episode this season by far. And it looked gorgeous echoplex.Jerusalem posted:In the end he'll turn out to have been there for the "longest month of my life" Great call.
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Nov 28, 2015 23:46
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Pesky Splinter posted:Here's the trailer for the next episode, on that topic: Are the guys at 15 seconds Spaceballs?
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Nov 28, 2015 23:51
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I enjoyed it a lot. It was something a bit different. The way I reconciled the diamond wall thing was that he always finds each room the way he left it, and every time he went into room 12 the diamond wall had an incrementally deeper hole in it from last time.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:05
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That was very good. The twist was super obvious in retrospect but the episode felt relentless and tense enough that I didn't work it out. The montage at the end was spectacular too.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:28
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The tale.
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That was okay I thought. Dragged on a little bit with the montage part but I guess that was the idea. I am probably unfairly comparing it to Jessica Jones though, as I binge-watched that this week and just finished it this afternoon. I get the feeling a lot of the shows I watch weekly are going to suffer from that for a while. Sets were very nice. Those loving fly effects though. They were too good. I was about ready to bust out the swatter. Doesn't help that some fat gently caress fly somehow got into the house today. I thought he'd come back to bother me again and had brought some friends.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:47
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Mr Beens posted:The Doctor was active for the whole x-ty billion year cycle, as that is how long it took to wear down the barrier 1 cycle at a time, it's just that each time the loop resets so does his body and memories. So chronologically the Doctor has only aged as long as the last cycle (which as you say is maybe about a week). Yeah, I really didn't explain it that well >.< it's a tough concept to verbalise.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:48
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Irony Be My Shield posted:That was very good. The twist was super obvious in retrospect but the episode felt relentless and tense enough that I didn't work it out. The montage at the end was spectacular too. Yeah, it was insanely good. I figured out most of it before the end, but it was still a real gut punch when he started smashing his fist into that wall. Poor Doctor. Capaldi sold the hell out of his death, and the make-up on him was really well done. Clara standing with her back to the Doctor was a bit creepy, though. I was really relieved when it turned out she wasn't part two of the horrible nightmare. That gave me some serious Blair Witch Project flashbacks. IceAgeComing posted:I have a terrible theory about the cliffhanger, and I thought that I'd share it with yous all That makes a lot of sense. It's really corny, but still preferable to what some people in the thread suggested, if you ask me.
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Nov 29, 2015 00:51
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Oh, it's almost certainly that, and it's almost certainly why they named her that in her second episode, to set up this week's cliffhanger line.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:00
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Nov 29, 2015 01:04
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Well then. That was an episode.  The emotional impact of that episode was phenomenal. Like a lot of people, I saw the time loop coming and was just aghast at what level of hell he's been doomed to... until it finally dawned on me why he was punching the wall every time. Because he's the goddamn Doctor, and he finds a way out of poo poo. If I'm Ashildr I'd be real real scared right now. Dude just punched through diamond for two billion years because he's the Doctor and gently caress you. He said he wouldn't take revenge but he also doesn't have to stop the other Time Lords when they do.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:11
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Wheat Loaf posted:I enjoyed it a lot. It was something a bit different. Not sure what you mean by "reconcile" - they explicitly show the rooms resetting themselves mid cycle as he wanders about and the diamond wall getting incrementally deeper is the whole point of the the thing. It doesn't get reset for reasons unknown.
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Chokes McGee posted:Well then. That was an episode. You're assuming she's who he wants revenge on. He seems pretty Hell Bent  on revenge on those fuckers in the dome.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:14
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I liked that. i usual enjoy when they stray from the norm and do interesting episodes like this. Even the times they fail. Capaldi, story, setting and visuals very all pretty good. It's also the only episode i can remember where the music was really good and added a lot to the episode. It lost me when they revealed that the doctor was punching his way trough a wall for billions of years. it such a ridiculous overkill and hurt the story at the end.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:14
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Mr Beens posted:It doesn't get reset for reasons unknown. I think there are two very probable reasons: 1. The diamond room is linked to the "real" world and is thus outside of the closed system of the rest of the trap, it's the entrance/exit and needs to be kept separate. 2. Whoever built it (almost certainly the Time Lords) wanted the Doctor to realize the enormity of the task in front of him, because they didn't for a second think once he understood what was happening that he'd be willing to die countless times over the course of billions of years when he had such an easy out - tell them exactly who/what the Hybrid is. And he would have given up, if it wasn't for Clara doing what all good companions do and inspiring him to keep going and find a way to win.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:18
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Jerusalem posted:he had such an easy out - tell them exactly who/what the Hybrid is. And he would have given up, if it wasn't for Clara doing what all good companions do and inspiring him to keep going and find a way to win. I love that he told them afterwards, anyway. Just to spite them.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:27
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Mr Beens posted:Not sure what you mean by "reconcile" - they explicitly show the rooms resetting themselves mid cycle as he wanders about and the diamond wall getting incrementally deeper is the whole point of the the thing. It doesn't get reset for reasons unknown. "Reconcile" was the wrong word to use. "Rationalise" probably would have been a better choice. 
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Nov 29, 2015 01:28
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I really loved the line about where the image of the Veil came from. It was so simple, and it actually hints at a childhood horror, it was very well-grounded for a show that isn't that good at that sort of thing. Also, I thought this line was fantastic as well: quote:I’ve finally run out of corridor. There’s a life summed up.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:33
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Really enjoyed that. Great to see Moffat doing what he does best- creepy puzzle type episodes. This was everything I like about his writing. Except for the hybrid poo poo at the end, which is still awful. And I guess time lord skulls are the toughest bits of their skeletons, to survive that energy drain thing- the reveal of the ocean full of skulls mainly had me wondering where the rest of the bodies were.
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Nov 29, 2015 02:00
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I wonder if his skulls affected the local gravity due to 2 billion years worth of extra skull mass coming into existence?
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Nov 29, 2015 02:09
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Wow, that an absolute tour de force for Capaldi, and I loved every moment. My one niggle was the lack of Gallifrey leitmotif upon seeing the Citadel, mainly because I love it so. Come on, Gold, you have one job. This would have seriously creeped me out as a child, the sense of something implacably endlessly chasing you.
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The Gallifrey motif is triumphant, though, and it's supposed to be ominous this time.
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Wow that was really good.
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Re: people saying the current TARDIS isn't a very good dramatic space or that it isn't used properly: That, and all the various shutdown/start up sequence lights were lovely. Shame some of the impact screens we did didn't show up but the shots were great.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:I wonder if his skulls affected the local gravity due to 2 billion years worth of extra skull mass coming into existence? There's a lot of "Wait, what about that?" in this episode, but I don't care because it was so good. Loved the score in this episode which is something I haven't really found notable in while. It just sounded fantastic. I have to admit, however, that I'm not looking forward to an episode set on Gallifrey. The times that Gallifrey has not been a complete bore are the rare exception on Doctor Who... Also, with the Doctor's speech at the end, I swear I thought he was going to say that the hybrid was "half-human" and kick off groans from everyone happy to have let that bit of the TV movie fade away. Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Nov 29, 2015 02:59
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That was probably my favorite episode since Capaldi became The Doctor.
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Nov 29, 2015 03:07
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Random Stranger posted:There's a lot of "Wait, what about that?" in this episode, but I don't care because it was so good. You can name it. It was only once. War Games.
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Nov 29, 2015 03:07
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I'm just hoping the Time Lords stick around for a while. The Last Of The Time Lords schtick has worn thin over these 10 years.
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Burkion posted:You can name it. I was counting War Games and The Deadly Assassin which mainly gets a pass for actually making things seem kind of weird and baroque before everyone decided that pale reflections of that were all Gallifrey could ever be. And of course Day of the Doctor is a good story despite the Gallifrey scenes.
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Nov 29, 2015 03:11
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I loved the momentary flick of his eyes straight into the camera on "I'm nothing without an audience." 
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Random Stranger posted:I was counting War Games and The Deadly Assassin which mainly gets a pass for actually making things seem kind of weird and baroque before everyone decided that pale reflections of that were all Gallifrey could ever be. And of course Day of the Doctor is a good story despite the Gallifrey scenes. Speaking of which, this episode reminded me a lot of Part 3 of The Deadly Assassin where he's stuck in the Matrix. Just the Doctor and a monster, trapped in a room. There have been very few good Gallifrey or Time Lord stories, but I think you can fault most of those for lack of ambition. Doing Gallifrey as a weird Firefly-like frontier space civilization, if the trailer is to be believed, certainly doesn't fall into that category. It doesn't mean it'll be GOOD, but it's not short on promise. Me will probably be the Hybrid, but the question obviously remains as to exactly how she's going to be responsible for the destruction of Gallifrey, which is an interesting enough question, despite how underwhelming the hybrid stuff has been.
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Nov 29, 2015 03:27
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Definitely my fav Capaldi episode
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Nov 29, 2015 03:35
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I loved this episode - It's the sort of thing that can be pulled off exactly once. The doctor on his own talking to himself, the factor of the mountain of skulls - it's spooky and existential on every level. The monster is the thing of childhood nightmares - the thing that chases you, always finds you, and is going to get you. The whole "two billion years" thing sounds corny until you realise the enormity of it - to avoid giving away a single secret, the Doctor has to die in horrible agony, for real, in the hope that one day, unimaginably distant from now, a copy of him will get through that damned wall to whatever's on the other side.
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Rochallor posted:Me will probably be the Hybrid, but the question obviously remains as to exactly how she's going to be responsible for the destruction of Gallifrey, which is an interesting enough question, despite how underwhelming the hybrid stuff has been. Me will absolutely be the Hybrid because it's a combination of "Two Warrior Races" and she is a Viking being immortalized by Mire technology. You know what's a hell of a thing? Considering how he almost certainly blames Me for what happened he still opts for a few billion years of wall-punching instead of giving her up. drat.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:I wonder if his skulls affected the local gravity due to 2 billion years worth of extra skull mass coming into existence? Ten: Gravity schmavity. My people practically invented black holes.  That was a stupid line in an otherwise good two-parter, but seriously though the whole thing was a closed system set up by the Time Lords (I assume anyway, I'm 99.9% sure they made the thing), gravity would always remain the same no matter what internal changes the Doctor made. Murderion posted:to avoid giving away a single secret 8 would have just told them he had amnesia and they'd have said,"Well poo poo, there's precedent...."
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Random Stranger posted:I was counting War Games and The Deadly Assassin which mainly gets a pass for actually making things seem kind of weird and baroque before everyone decided that pale reflections of that were all Gallifrey could ever be. And of course Day of the Doctor is a good story despite the Gallifrey scenes. The Gallifrey audios are really good. Except for that weird vampire episode. That was poo poo.
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