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ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

Karl Rove is reporting that Carson may still have a chance to take out Trump (and clear the field for an establishment pick)

# ? Nov 29, 2015 01:29

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# ? May 30, 2024 01:32

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

ComradeCosmobot posted:

The media isn't terrified as gently caress to lose media access to Muslims. They are terrified of the Republican Party picking up their ball and going home because an NBC anchor said something that might have possibly implied that the shooting had something to do with what the Republican Party has been screeching about and trying to shutdown the government over, especially since the Republican Party has yet to plan to do otherwise.

That's right, we're still headed for a shutdown on December 11 because Republicans still want absolutely everything on their list to Santa and will throw a temper-tantrum in Laws R Us until they get their way.

great, so now they want shut the power off because they didnt get every single thing cruz and friends wanted. I am curious to see which way ryan bends over for.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 01:29

Kilroy: Oct 1, 2000

The Iron Rose posted:

I'm trying to fathom how people can advocate for or against restrictions of freedom of speech based on political ideology.

Like Jesus Christ talk about missing the point. To support or oppose such a fundamental right based upon how well it serves your political beliefs rather than due to principle is cynicism in its most disgusting form, one that threatens the fabric of democracy and civil society.

Good thing nobody advocated for that, then. Unless you're suggesting that all hate speech is necessarily right-wing speech.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 01:43

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Dapper_Swindler posted:

this. they are gonna try to ignore this the best they can. Maybe huckabee or cruz will make a backhanded insult about PP and stuff. and this dude will go on to be a fringe hero to some in the right.

I guarantee that if only PP patients/employees died in this shooting the GOP would still blame them and cite the videos.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 01:52

greatn: Nov 15, 2006; by Lowtax

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Karl Rove is reporting that Carson may still have a chance to take out Trump (and clear the field for an establishment pick)

drat seeing the link title I thought the story would be Carson dropped out

# ? Nov 29, 2015 01:56

HUGE PUBES A PLUS: Apr 30, 2005

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Karl Rove is reporting that Carson may still have a chance to take out Trump (and clear the field for an establishment pick)

The King Maker returns. Let's see if he still has it in him.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 02:23

Boon: Jun 21, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Im looking forward to the morning shows tomorrow, I know Carson will be on one of them so we should get some quality bullshit about the PP shooting

# ? Nov 29, 2015 02:27

Hollismason: Jun 30, 2007; An alright dude.

Okay I got Carson literally saying that " This shooting would have been prevented if the Planned Parenthood people had not sold dead baby parts".

# ? Nov 29, 2015 02:28

smg77: Apr 27, 2007

Was there some sort of falling out between Karl Rove and the Bush family? I've been wondering why he hasn't been working for team Jeb!.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 02:32

FilthyImp: Sep 30, 2002; Anime Deviant

smg77 posted:

Was there some sort of falling out between Karl Rove and the Bush family? I've been wondering why he hasn't been working for team Jeb!.

Aside from the stink of failure from either camp??

# ? Nov 29, 2015 02:36

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Karl Rove is reporting that Carson may still have a chance to take out Trump (and clear the field for an establishment pick)

Romney can still pull it off!!

# ? Nov 29, 2015 02:38

Homura and Sickle: Apr 21, 2013

smg77 posted:

Was there some sort of falling out between Karl Rove and the Bush family? I've been wondering why he hasn't been working for team Jeb!.

Politico and all but Rove and Jeb! have a historical rap beef

# ? Nov 29, 2015 02:51

A Winner is Jew: Feb 14, 2008; by exmarx

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

BuzzFeed claims to have talked to a neighbor who said Dear handed out anti-Obama leaflets and said he should be impeached.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/aliciamelvillesmith/heres-what-we-know-about-planned-parenthood-suspect#.hsOBZo05W

Not a terrorist since he passes the paper bag test obviously.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 02:55

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

FlamingLiberal posted:

The cop being killed is probably why the GOP candidates are staying quiet.

Cruz made a statement on it. Granted his statement mentioned it taking place in Colorado Springs and didn't mention PP at all, but still

# ? Nov 29, 2015 03:03

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

If the dems don't push the PP shooting so hard during the general i will be disappointed. but it's dems so expect the worst :smith:

also lol @ rove choosing carson as the hill to die on

# ? Nov 29, 2015 03:03

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; Can't post for 4 hours!

Boon posted:

Soldiering on, slowly.

The next book on my nightstand is "What the Matter with Kansas", so it's possible I might slide into depression as the holidays approach...

For gently caress's sake man slip ready player one in there or something.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 03:06

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Logikv9 posted:

If the dems don't push the PP shooting so hard during the general i will be disappointed. but it's dems so expect the worst

also lol @ rove choosing carson as the hill to die on

Yeah, I'm sure Hillary Clinton will shy away from a Woman's Rights issue.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 03:15

smg77: Apr 27, 2007

Jagchosis posted:

Politico and all but Rove and Jeb! have a historical rap beef

Holy poo poo I had no idea...that was an entertaining read

# ? Nov 29, 2015 03:26

Hollismason: Jun 30, 2007; An alright dude.

Yeah the Bush's seem really petty when you listen to interviews about them.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 03:33

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Not wanting you to talk to your brother seems like a big slight.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 03:37

Hollismason: Jun 30, 2007; An alright dude.

Don't forget Jeb was considered the "chosen" one who was considered Presidential material, but George won the presidency and he has always been pissed off.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 03:41

Klaus88: Jan 23, 2011; Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

FAUXTON posted:

For gently caress's sake man slip ready player one in there or something.

We want to make him less depressed, not more goddammit.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 03:58

Mr Interweb: Aug 25, 2004

Not really news, but the National Review sure picked some real winners to have on their payroll:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art..._Should_Doctors

:psyduck:

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:00

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

Mr Interweb posted:

Not really news, but the National Review sure picked some real winners to have on their payroll:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art..._Should_Doctors

September 28, 2014. This happened a year ago. Mr. Williamson is still on their staff, of course.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:18

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

evilweasel posted:

He was 12/13. Everyone has stupid, stupid opinions at that age they grow out of, his just happened to be political and got national attention.

I was a socialist back then, grew out of socialism, and then grew right back into socialism.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:19

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

smg77 posted:

Was there some sort of falling out between Karl Rove and the Bush family? I've been wondering why he hasn't been working for team Jeb!.

He's not working for Jeb! because he's making more money running Crossroads.

But pumping up Carson doesn't hurt Jeb!

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:27

Hollismason: Jun 30, 2007; An alright dude.

Not to worry folks Planned Parenthood wasn't a intended target and the guy never talked about abortion with his neighbors.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/28/planned-parenthood-gunman-lived-in-nc-woods-with-no-electricity-running-water/?intcmp=hpbt1

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:37

radical meme: Apr 17, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Boon posted:

Im looking forward to the morning shows tomorrow, I know Carson will be on one of them so we should get some quality bullshit about the PP shooting

Carson is scheduled to be on three shows tomorrow, speaking from Jordan. He posted his Jordan trip report on his campaign site and the take away is, "the Syrian refugees are suffering and the world should do more for them; but none of them should be allowed to leave the Middle East". Also, Carson hired a Special Faith Advisor who will, "be responsible for advising the campaign on its outreach to Christian voters across the country". Carson is already the "baby jesus is coming" candidate so I have no idea what a Special Faith Advisor is supposed to do for a political campaign and it's disturbing to me that he even thinks he needs that type of advisor.

edit: it's also insanity to think that Carson can take out Trump

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:39

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

radical meme posted:

I have no idea what a Special Faith Advisor is supposed to do for a political campaign

Build a mailing list.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:42

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Hollismason posted:

Not to worry folks Planned Parenthood wasn't a intended target and the guy never talked about abortion with his neighbors.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/28/planned-parenthood-gunman-lived-in-nc-woods-with-no-electricity-running-water/?intcmp=hpbt1

Look it's perfectly believable that a guy who lives in the woods without modern technology never talked about these two topics yet decided to travel halfway across the country to shoot people in an abortion clinic. How dare you imply otherwise you racist. :foxnews:

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:45

Combed Thunderclap: Jan 4, 2011

Joementum posted:

Build a mailing list.

This is the book tour that never ends

And it goes on and on my friends :marc:

# ? Nov 29, 2015 05:08

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

Hollismason posted:

Not to worry folks Planned Parenthood wasn't a intended target and the guy never talked about abortion with his neighbors.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/28/planned-parenthood-gunman-lived-in-nc-woods-with-no-electricity-running-water/?intcmp=hpbt1

quote:

Neighbors of Dear�s in North Carolina said the man kept mostly to himself and Russell said that two topics he never heard Dear talk about during his ramblings were religion or abortion.

Guess we'll never know why he shot up an abortion clinic, seeing as he never talked to other people about abortions! :shrug:

# ? Nov 29, 2015 05:11

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; Can't post for 4 hours!

Klaus88 posted:

We want to make him less depressed, not more goddammit.

Hey it may be lowbrow swill, but it's soothing lowbrow swill. Feel-good swill. :v:

# ? Nov 29, 2015 05:17

Alkydere: Jun 7, 2010; Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.

FAUXTON posted:

Hey it may be lowbrow swill, but it's soothing lowbrow swill. Feel-good swill.

Why give him lowbrow swill, suggest he read something like a Discworld book as a palette cleanser.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 05:19

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

radical meme posted:

Carson is scheduled to be on three shows tomorrow, speaking from Jordan. He posted his Jordan trip report on his campaign site and the take away is, "the Syrian refugees are suffering and the world should do more for them; but none of them should be allowed to leave the Middle East". Also, Carson hired a Special Faith Advisor who will, "be responsible for advising the campaign on its outreach to Christian voters across the country". Carson is already the "baby jesus is coming" candidate so I have no idea what a Special Faith Advisor is supposed to do for a political campaign and it's disturbing to me that he even thinks he needs that type of advisor.

edit: it's also insanity to think that Carson can take out Trump

i like that he even admits that we and the world should do more to help and that they are obviously suffering, but they still shouldnt be allowed in one of the few countries that could genuinely help them. gently caress Carson.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 05:23

Hollismason: Jun 30, 2007; An alright dude.

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Guess we'll never know why he shot up an abortion clinic, seeing as he never talked to other people about abortions!

Cased Closed.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 05:37

Mr Interweb: Aug 25, 2004

ComradeCosmobot posted:

September 28, 2014. This happened a year ago. Mr. Williamson is still on their staff, of course.

D'oh!

Well..regardless I'm pretty sure he hasn't bothered to apologize or change his opinion on the matter since.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 05:43

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

There was a very good article in the NYTimes recently on Obama's hypocracy with Syria which I almost entirely agree with. Per the times,

quote:

IN 2008, Barack Obama won the presidency promising that he would heal our political divisions. Instead, Mr. Obama has been as polarizing as any president in the history of modern polling. The debate over the Syrian refugee crisis illustrates why.

The civil war in Syria has created one of the worst refugee crises since World War II, and the president has instructed his administration to admit at least 10,000 refugees in fiscal year 2016. Republicans in Congress, in the aftermath of the massacre in Paris on Nov. 13, called for a pause in this process, in part because of their fear that terrorists might pose as refugees. The president, rather than trying to persuade his critics, mocked them.

“Apparently they’re scared of widows and orphans coming in to the United States of America as part of our tradition of compassion,” Mr. Obama said. “That doesn’t sound very tough to me.” According to the president, the most potent recruitment tool for the Islamic State isn’t jihadist social media or battlefield victories but Republican rhetoric. “They’ve been playing on fear in order to try to score political points or to advance their campaigns,” he said.

The president flippantly dismissed worries about the vetting process despite the fact that, as James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence, said in September, the possibility that the Islamic State might infiltrate operatives among Syrian refugees is “a huge concern of ours.”

Administration officials also acknowledge that there are limitations on determining the history of Syrian refugees since we’re in no position to collect vital information from Syria. Even if the president believes the case for accepting refugees overrides those concerns (as I basically do), he should acknowledge their legitimacy.

What made Mr. Obama’s assault on Republicans particularly outrageous is his hypocrisy, by which I mean the president’s failure to act in any meaningful way to avert the humanitarian disaster now engulfing Syria. It’s not as if options weren’t available to him.

In 2012 Mr. Obama rebuffed plans to arm Syrian rebels despite the fact that his former secretaries of defense and state, his C.I.A. director and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff supported them. He repeatedly insisted he would not put American soldiers in Syria or pursue a prolonged air campaign. He refused to declare safe havens or no-fly zones. And it was also in 2012 that Mr. Obama warned the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, that using chemical weapons would cross a “red line.” Yet when Mr. Assad did just that, Mr. Obama did nothing.

The president, perhaps fearful of offending the pro-Assad Iranian government with which he was trying to negotiate a nuclear arms deal, chose to sit by while a humanitarian catastrophe unfolded. As Walter Russell Mead wrote in The American Interest, “This crisis is in large part the direct consequence of President Obama’s decision to stand aside and watch Syria burn.” Some of us find it a bit nervy for the president to lecture the opposition party for heartlessness because cleaning up after his failure raises security concerns.

A reasonable approach would take account of both the humanitarian crisis in Syria and the concerns of critics of the president’s proposal. Doing so might result in a pause in the process to reassess our security procedures, make improvements where necessary and then proceed. Under the leadership of the new speaker, Paul Ryan, the House has passed just such a proposal with a broad bipartisan majority — 47 Democrats sided with Republicans — but Mr. Obama has promised to veto it if it passes the Senate. In his Manichaean conception of politics, such balance has no place, it seems.

What we have seen and heard from Mr. Obama during the Syrian crisis — self-righteousness without self-reflection, taunting, exasperation that others don’t see the world just as he does, the inability to work constructively with his opponents — have been hallmarks of his presidency. The man who promised to strengthen our political culture has further disabled it.

The president doesn’t bear full responsibility for the fractured state of our politics. The causes are complicated. They predate the Obama presidency, and Republicans have certainly played a role. (For some on the right, compromise is in principle capitulation.)

Yet it was Barack Obama who in 2008 wanted us to “rediscover our bonds to each other” and put an end to the “constant petty bickering that’s come to characterize our politics.” He utterly failed in that and has to own his part in it. According to a new Pew Research Center study, 79 percent of Americans view the country as more politically divided than in the past.

Today our political discourse barely allows us to think clearly about, let alone rise to meet, the enormous challenges we face at home and abroad. Trust in government has reached one of its lowest levels in the past half-century. Americans are deeply cynical about the entire political enterprise; they are losing faith in the normal democratic process.

This creates the conditions for the rise of demagogues, of people who excel at inflaming tensions. Enter Donald J. Trump, who delights in tearing down the last remaining guardrails in our political culture.

Mr. Obama is hardly responsible for Mr. Trump, and it’s up to my fellow Republican primary voters to repudiate his malignant candidacy. Not doing so would be a moral indictment of our party. But in amplifying some of the worst tendencies in our politics, Mr. Obama helped make the rise of Mr. Trump possible.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/28/opinion/president-obamas-hypocrisy-on-syria.html?_r=0

Key paragraph bolded. Obama has been a President too focused on the next big win, a characteristic that has blinded this administration to a consistent strategy. The Iran deal was a phyrric victory for Obama, one which has threatened the integrity of NATO because Obama wanted a win on Iran more than he was willing to kill terrorists immediately.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 06:48

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

My Imaginary GF posted:

There was a very good article in the NYTimes recently on Obama's hypocracy with Syria which I almost entirely agree with. Per the times,

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/28/opinion/president-obamas-hypocrisy-on-syria.html?_r=0

Key paragraph bolded. Obama has been a President too focused on the next big win, a characteristic that has blinded this administration to a consistent strategy. The Iran deal was a phyrric victory for Obama, one which has threatened the integrity of NATO because Obama wanted a win on Iran more than he was willing to kill terrorists immediately.

Want to give a citation to your claim that the Iran deal threatened the integrity of NATO?

Remember, Israel isn't a member of NATO.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 06:53

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My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Trabisnikof posted:

Want to give a citation to your claim that the Iran deal threatened the integrity of NATO?

Remember, Israel isn't a member of NATO.

They should be!

# ? Nov 29, 2015 06:54

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