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GlitchThief posted:uh so I'm not sure, but I think things just got a little more complicated. Bloodly posted:Possibly. It depends on whether you want to actually keep the land for yourself or not. You can always hand it off to the Pope if you want. Funky Valentine posted:Or break away from your liege and set up shop in Andalusia. It's probably the best kingdom in Hispania.
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Nov 28, 2015 19:21
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Edison was a dick posted:Not anymore, since Iqta became a government type rather than a property of being a Muslim. You can't be both Iqta and a Republic, so you can no longer hold all 3 types. Oh, huh, I didn't even realize that!
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Nov 28, 2015 19:28
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darthbob88 posted:Except that's not GlitchThief's character, that's one of their vassals. Oooh His new land will probably be useless for some time, so you can try granting him independence and then warring for his lands (once the truce runs out).
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Nov 28, 2015 19:31
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I'm thinking of reinstalling this game for the first time in a year or so. The major DLCs I'm missing are Charlemagne, Way of Life, and Horse Lords. Are any of those required purchases, i.e. make the game substantially better, or am I not missing much?
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Nov 28, 2015 19:38
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WOL is well regarded but honestly you can do ok without it
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Nov 28, 2015 19:52
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I actually managed to usurp Andalusia, I guess because that guy is my vassal. But I'm about to lose it to my direct heir's brother, which is a little confusing to me because I thought primogeniture succession meant all my titles go to my direct heir.
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Nov 28, 2015 19:54
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GlitchThief posted:I actually managed to usurp Andalusia, I guess because that guy is my vassal. But I'm about to lose it to my direct heir's brother, which is a little confusing to me because I thought primogeniture succession meant all my titles go to my direct heir. What are Andalusia's succession laws?
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Nov 28, 2015 20:01
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You kingdom of Ireland has primogeniture. Check if succession in the new kingdom of Andalusia is gavelkind.
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Nov 28, 2015 20:01
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:Too many duchies, it irritates your vassals, but if you're not pissing them off in other ways you can usually work around it. There's not usually any good reason to hold more than 2 duchies anyway since the demesne limit won't let you hold nearly enough counties anyway. Typically the only time I'll hold more than 2 duchy titles is if my character is old and has just conquered something; with long reign modifiers the -10 or -20 for too many duchies won't make much difference, and I'd rather wait until he dies and let his successor hand out the titles, lest the massive opinion bonuses for granting titles go to waste. That's another gamey trick that comes up once in a while: if you have an old ruler that everyone loves, you can get away with some tyranny and revoke a duchy or two from troublesome vassals, hold onto them till he dies, then let his heir hand them back out. The goodwill the old guy with the long reign has built up isn't redeemable for any valuable prizes after his death; might as well spend it in a way that will help smooth the succession. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Nov 28, 2015 |
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Nov 28, 2015 20:20
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its too bad imprisoning and banishing people no longer gives you all their titles... okay sure everyone would hate your guts and you would get murdered... but your heir could hand out titles like candy and make them happy again. Also do the mongols ever split up into the Golden Horde & Il-Khanate post horse lords? right now they didn't do poo poo for about 10 years after Genghis showed up so I got bored of seeing the mongols sit in Mongolia doing nothing and conquered the entire Steppe up to Russia & Alania in about 10 years as Genghis. Went back to playing England, and realized after 30 years the mongols haven't done anything since then other than beat off a Shiite Jihad for Khiva I heard that sometimes the mongols don't do anything and got sad because otherwise this world has been pretty fun.
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Nov 28, 2015 20:22
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Bloodly posted:Possibly. It depends on whether you want to actually keep the land for yourself or not. You can always hand it off to the Pope if you want. If you dump stuff off on the Papacy, is it pretty much impossible to get back later?
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Nov 28, 2015 23:08
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poo poo, I thought the succession laws were for me specifically, not just for the one country. That's gonna make conquering Britain a fair bit more complicated.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:37
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Jack2142 posted:its too bad imprisoning and banishing people no longer gives you all their titles... Horde rules changed for the Mongols after horse lords. It used to be that Nahua (Aztec) and Mongol culture could use the tribal invasion CB as any religion except Christian ones. Now it's just Nahua, and Mongols have been demoted to the same horde type as Hungarians and all the other steppe cultures. They have to be pagan to use the invasion CB. In horse lords, they tend to convert to Islam or Buddhism pretty quickly, which immediately nerfs their invasion CB. Not sure if that's what's happening in your game, but that tends to be the first thing that stops Mongol expansion from what I've seen.
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Nov 29, 2015 01:49
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Just getting a friend into the game, looking for a good, newbie friendly coop start. Either near each other, or as him a vassal under me but still with something to do. Thoughts? I'm fairly experienced so don't mind a somewhat hard start.
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Nov 29, 2015 03:22
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I'm playing as Mali and the Abbasids just took all the counties I need in order to form the kingdom of Africa. Which I need to do in order to be able to form the empire of Mali.Fighting them is probably impossible so I'm considering swearing fealty and then forming a faction to put me in charge and spy on the big cheese until I can kidnap him and then once I have him in a cell I can force my demands. Will this work out or do I need to have a claim or some poo poo? My plan b is giving all my spare cash to any vassals of the caliph that hate him in hopes that they'll use it to buy merceneries when they eventually revolt.
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Nov 29, 2015 03:42
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Elendil004 posted:Just getting a friend into the game, looking for a good, newbie friendly coop start. Either near each other, or as him a vassal under me but still with something to do. Thoughts? I'm fairly experienced so don't mind a somewhat hard start. A lot of a vassal' game is plotting against their liege so if you want co-op maybe try something like being two counts in the HRE around 1066-1072?
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Nov 29, 2015 03:44
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FreudianSlippers posted:I'm playing as Mali and the Abbasids just took all the counties I need in order to form the kingdom of Africa. Which I need to do in order to be able to form the empire of Mali.Fighting them is probably impossible so I'm considering swearing fealty and then forming a faction to put me in charge and spy on the big cheese until I can kidnap him and then once I have him in a cell I can force my demands. Will this work out or do I need to have a claim or some poo poo? You can't start a war with someone in your prieon. 
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Nov 29, 2015 06:39
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Snatch Duster posted:You can't start a war with someone in your prieon. Can you make a faction demand though?
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Nov 29, 2015 07:18
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Speaking of getting into the game, I realised I'd be able to run it OK in windowed mode at low res, so looks like we're good to go for now. I was trying the Petty Kingdom of Munster start but the wiki walkthrough made it sound super easy to march over and make your preexisting de-jure claim (Desmond, IIRC) bend the knee. I only have a slight edge on him in levies though, and my one vassal (who starts out with a negative opinion of me) will only offer to field something pathetic like 135 dudes after some mild bribing, so even if I smash Desmond's army in the field, the siege goes nowhere. I had picked a noble for a wife both times I tried and one time Navarra sent 2,000 troops to help when I asked, but it still seemed to be locked at an impasse against the ~850 I was sieging against. Would honorary title + gold (of which I don't start out with much) be necessary to butter up the vassal so he'll send more troops? Even then, I'd be lucky to have 2000ish troops against Desmond's 1.1-1.3k. edit: did some more Googling and it does look like his marginal opinion of me is to blame. Guessing I should give him the highest honorary title (regent, +20) and then bribe him, and hope for the best? Like I said though, I still feel like I don't have that much of an edge over my opponent, but I also don't see any other good ways to start establishing a power base (the other counties are really no weaker, and I'd have to fabricate a claim). Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Nov 29, 2015 07:23
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Volkerball posted:Can you make a faction demand though? I am not sure but I think so?
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Nov 29, 2015 08:26
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Elendil004 posted:Just getting a friend into the game, looking for a good, newbie friendly coop start. Either near each other, or as him a vassal under me but still with something to do. Thoughts? I'm fairly experienced so don't mind a somewhat hard start. I've been thinking the same, so I'd like to hear ideas as well. I've been thinking of the classical Ireland start but with me starting maybe as a Goodwin / Duke of Normandy / Harald and then allying with the Irish count friend. I guess starting within the same merchant republic isn't a terrible idea either, succession is as easy as it could be and everyone in the republic usually has something to do as trading posts give those free city conquest CBs which lead to taking the whole county if the city-owning patrician has a county a set distance away (easily arranged by you)
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Nov 29, 2015 08:31
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Speaking of getting into the game, I realised I'd be able to run it OK in windowed mode at low res, so looks like we're good to go for now. A pretty standard tactic in Ireland when you start with one county is to revoke all of the baronies there. Then you get all of the levies. The tyranny penalties won't matter because you'll be left with no vassals until you conquer things. Then you'll have new vassals who weren't around when you did that tyranny and thus won't give a poo poo. To be honest it's sort of cheating in a way but also really in the spirit of the game, I think. The game is all about taking the rules and twisting them into whatever shape you need them to be.
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Nov 29, 2015 08:42
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Marrying a neighbor and then using the alliance to subjugate the others is a good method too.
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Nov 29, 2015 09:19
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A pretty standard tactic in Ireland when you start with one county is to revoke all of the baronies there. Then you get all of the levies. The tyranny penalties won't matter because you'll be left with no vassals until you conquer things. Then you'll have new vassals who weren't around when you did that tyranny and thus won't give a poo poo. Ahahaha, I love it! Wasn't even thinking to look below the county level, I just assumed I defaulted to being in control of all of them directly at the start of the game, although now that I think back, I remember seeing a couple of names pop up on the "vassals" list. In the case of Munster I've got a neighbouring county as well, should I revoke him and his vassals' titles too? From what I understand of the game having that many small, crappy titles would eat up your demense limit, but just starting out it wouldn't matter, and they could be gifted to people from your court after your done with your land grab anyhow. And I agree with you on it being part of the spirit of the game, all the weird rules stuff is one of the things that got me most interested in it  Larry Parrish posted:Marrying a neighbor and then using the alliance to subjugate the others is a good method too. One of the things the tutorials was saying was that there doesn't usually start out anyone in Ireland that's eligible. I'll have to give the list of ladies a closer look next time though, because that would make the most sense and be relatively straightforward.
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Nov 29, 2015 09:58
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Pompous Rhombus posted:One of the things the tutorials was saying was that there doesn't usually start out anyone in Ireland that's eligible. I'll have to give the list of ladies a closer look next time though, because that would make the most sense and be relatively straightforward. Try to remember that you're not ever on a timer in CK2. It's ok if for example you don't gain any land with your first ruler.
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Nov 29, 2015 10:31
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Oh boy.
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Nov 29, 2015 11:56
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I never got that whole 'modder nerd pride' thing, like, at all. You make a mod and work on it, and they make theirs and work on it. Getting all hostile and territorial over that horseshit, or particularly ridiculous motivations like: "I hate this mod so much that I will go into modding, just to stick it to them!" is just about the most pathetic thing you can do with a legitimately cool hobby that's, ultimately, supposed to be about relaxing in front of your computer while you tinker with something you like.
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Nov 29, 2015 12:08
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Volkerball posted:Now it's just Nahua, and Mongols have been demoted to the same horde type as Hungarians and all the other steppe cultures. They have to be pagan to use the invasion CB. In horse lords, they tend to convert to Islam or Buddhism pretty quickly, which immediately nerfs their invasion CB. Fairly sure that's no longer the case, instead the invasion cb is tied to your population, so if you are at 90% of your population cap you get to invade, no matter what culture or religion you have. So now all hordes are allowed to tribal invasion, but cultures lose it after settling, and being at 90% of your population is very rare.
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Nov 29, 2015 12:50
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Edison was a dick posted:Fairly sure that's no longer the case, instead the invasion cb is tied to your population, so if you are at 90% of your population cap you get to invade, no matter what culture or religion you have. Did a quick test. Feudal/Republican/Tribal with Mongol culture and pagan religion: Invasion CB at the cost of 500 prestige Feudal/Republican/Tribal with Mongol culture and Buddhist religion: No invasion CB Feudal/Republican/Tribal with Nahua culture and pagan religion: Invasion CB at cost of 500 prestige Feudal/Republican/Tribal with Nahua culture and Buddhist religion: No invasion CB Nomadic Mongol with pagan religion: Invasion CB at cost of 100 prestige with 90% population max a requirement Nomadic Mongol with Buddhist religion: Invasion CB at cost of 100 prestige with 90% population max a requirement Nomadic Irishman with pagan religion: Invasion CB at cost of 100 prestige and 90% population max a requirement Nomadic Irishman with Buddhist religion: Invasion CB at cost of 100 prestige and 90% population max a requirement Nomadic Irishman with Catholic religion (against Orthodox character): Invasion CB at cost of 100 prestige and 90% population max a requirement So religion plays into it if you've settled, but any nomad will always have the invasion CB, even Catholics against other Catholics. Also both Nahua and Mongol culture got nerfed to being on the same tier as Khazar, Avar, Hungarian, etc prior to Horse Lords. RIP Feudal Buddhist Mongol playthroughs. A Catholic horde could be a ton of fun though.
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Nov 29, 2015 17:23
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Volkerball posted:Did a quick test. The real test is if Mongols, Khitans, and Nahuas keep the Invasion CB if they're Jain.
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Nov 29, 2015 17:40
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As nomad, is there any reason not to pillage all holdings into nothingness? Edit: I see at least one reason why not. Hello 30% revolt risk! Freakus fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Nov 29, 2015 19:29
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Ahahaha, I love it! Wasn't even thinking to look below the county level, I just assumed I defaulted to being in control of all of them directly at the start of the game, although now that I think back, I remember seeing a couple of names pop up on the "vassals" list. In the case of Munster I've got a neighbouring county as well, should I revoke him and his vassals' titles too? From what I understand of the game having that many small, crappy titles would eat up your demense limit, but just starting out it wouldn't matter, and they could be gifted to people from your court after your done with your land grab anyhow. If you have one or two counties all of the baronies should fit in your demense. The few barons that you started with will hate you forever but gently caress 'em. Without baronies they can't do anything.
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Freakus posted:As nomad, is there any reason not to pillage all holdings into nothingness?
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Freakus posted:As nomad, is there any reason not to pillage all holdings into nothingness? It's a pain in the rear end and takes forever
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Nov 30, 2015 00:09
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Delthalaz posted:It's a pain in the rear end and takes forever TBH, while I'm down with nomads being made somewhat less OP, in return I don't see a reason not to make pillage (a mechanic that is utterly unique to them) last shorter. With them not being so OP, it's not as simple to win with them, but if you do win as them the rewards are big, brutal, fast and burning.
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It took me like 30 years to pillage down the middle east. 9 hours or so at slow speed it was awful.
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