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olylifter: Sep 13, 2007; I'm bad with money and you have an avatar!

City of Tampa posted:

lol there is almost this exact situation near my friend's house down in Naples, there is this huge failed subdivision that is just the grid of streets and no actual houses, like half of it is paved with curbs and everything and the other half is just dirt roads in this gigantic grid shape

my friend has an old Mitsubishi evolution that we drive around like maniacs in there and it is fun as hell, also redneck kids have build a pretty sophisticated dirtbike racetrack with big jumps and poo poo, it's really great

that is so loving rad

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:01

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BeanpolePeckerwood: May 4, 2004; I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK

Groovelord Neato posted:

how come cars and houses aren't priced so they can be afforded but almost literally everyone has to take out loans to own them.

Because The Man wants you to work a rat race job for the rest of your life feeling pressured to pay them off

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:09

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Because The Man wants you to work a rat race job for the rest of your life feeling pressured to pay them off

No, only people who make construction materials or build houses should be treated like that.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 04:25

Tawd: Oct 24, 2010

Groovelord Neato posted:

how come cars and houses aren't priced so they can be afforded but almost literally everyone has to take out loans to own them.

Guessing that they're expensive because they're complex and require lots of labour to design/build as notZarr said, but it becomes an economics thing too; they cost as much as they do because people can take out loans to buy them, so they are designed to that price.

IANAE but my understanding is the availability of credit to businesses and individuals was fundamental to the modern world forming as it has. :effort:

# ? Nov 29, 2015 11:42

ghosTTy: Sep 22, 2008

Reverse Centaur posted:

loving millenials :wth:

# ? Nov 29, 2015 12:46

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

notZaar posted:

Because they cost a lot to design and manufacture. Not to mention the material cost.

a car does not cost 25,000 dollars to build and they also fall apart far more easily nowdays.

Tawd posted:

they cost as much as they do because people can take out loans to buy them, so they are designed to that price.

i know that's why they cost as they do, they just shouldn't. i mean i laughed when someone earlier said 30k was 20 down on a house. where i live that isn't even 10 usually (i have that much in the bank and have to keep saving to own a home thanks america).

# ? Nov 29, 2015 15:36

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

TheMostFrench posted:

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/for-nice-guys-who-dont-get-it/

Thanks feminist faerie, now I know how to avoid committing microaggressions.

i'm glad comics are funny again

# ? Nov 29, 2015 15:49

Diesel Fucker: Aug 14, 2003; I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.

That comic looks like someone committed a macro-aggression to the artists fingers with a hammer.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 15:52

FedEx Mercury: Jan 7, 2004; Me bad posting? That's unpossible!; Lipstick Apathy

Groovelord Neato posted:

a car does not cost 25,000 dollars to build and they also fall apart far more easily nowdays.

There's dozens of car manufacturers out there competing all the time, if they could be cheaper they would be.

But no wait, it makes way more sense that all of these companies are actually members of a secret conspiracy dedicated to keeping prices up, my bad. Go on.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:33

ArgoATX: Dec 10, 2014

notZaar posted:

There's dozens of car manufacturers out there competing all the time, if they could be cheaper they would be.

But no wait, it makes way more sense that all of these companies are actually members of a secret conspiracy dedicated to keeping prices up, my bad. Go on.

cars, in fact, are sold much more cheaply in places where people don't have as much money to spend on cars. i really hope this helps you to stop being stupid.

ArgoATX fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Nov 29, 2015

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:38

nomadologique: Mar 9, 2011; DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

what if i am both gay and stupid??

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:44

GORDON: Jan 1, 2006; by Fluffdaddy

notZaar posted:

There's dozens of car manufacturers out there competing all the time, if they could be cheaper they would be.

But no wait, it makes way more sense that all of these companies are actually members of a secret conspiracy dedicated to keeping prices up, my bad. Go on.

So no one wants to mention the artificial high levels of union payroll?

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:51

FogHelmut: Dec 18, 2003

GORDON posted:

So no one wants to mention the artificial high levels of union payroll?

Only if you mention the artificially low levels of non-union payroll.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:53

GORDON: Jan 1, 2006; by Fluffdaddy

FogHelmut posted:

Only if you mention the artificially low levels of non-union payroll.

Technically, non-collectively-bargained payroll is at its natural level, unless there is illegal wage collusion.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:55

ArgoATX: Dec 10, 2014

GORDON posted:

So no one wants to mention the artificial high levels of union payroll?

if you live in america you are paid at a level which allows the ownership to capture as much of your productivity as possible, the prices you pay have nothing to do with reality and you're just as guilty as the people at the union. hope this helps!

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:55

GORDON: Jan 1, 2006; by Fluffdaddy

Yeah, I struck a nerve. The payroll of the people making the car has nothing to do with the cost of the car, which is the current discussion. Forget I said anything.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:56

ArgoATX: Dec 10, 2014

GORDON posted:

Yeah, I struck a nerve. The payroll of the people making the car has nothing to do with the cost of the car, which is the current discussion. Forget I said anything.

quote:

Technically, non-collectively-bargained payroll is at its natural level, unless there is illegal wage collusion.

"when my ownership sets a price it is natural but when people who don't own things set the price it is unnatural and that is wrong"

this is so impossibly stupid i can't even start. just stop, you child.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:57

nomadologique: Mar 9, 2011; DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

GORDON posted:

Technically, non-collectively-bargained payroll is at its natural level, unless there is illegal wage collusion.

and a completely deregulated economy is in its natural state :911:

let my freedom go!!

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:58

les fleurs du mall: Jun 30, 2014; by LadyAmbien

someones never heard of surplus value

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:59

FogHelmut: Dec 18, 2003

Lol at pretending labor and government are not part of the market

# ? Nov 29, 2015 16:59

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

"Conservatives have won elections and diverted policy to their ends by switch-hitting between two important conceptual models: the economy as a natural entity and the economy as a moral enforcer."

It's The Divine Right Of Kings by numbers instead of by god. It's liiiiiterally religious.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 17:00

nomadologique: Mar 9, 2011; DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO

i can hear youy say that literally

# ? Nov 29, 2015 17:02

GORDON: Jan 1, 2006; by Fluffdaddy

ArgoATX posted:

"when my ownership sets a price it is natural but when people who don't own things set the price it is unnatural and that is wrong"

Why would people who don't own a thing be able to set a price for it? That makes no sense.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 17:04

ArgoATX: Dec 10, 2014

GORDON posted:

Why would people who don't own a thing be able to set a price for it? That makes no sense.

workers own their labor, you idiot

i understand that you're doing the thing where you expressed a sincerely held but lovely opinion and are now attempting to play the "oh i was just trolling" card, but please just stop and go do something with your life

# ? Nov 29, 2015 17:07

les fleurs du mall: Jun 30, 2014; by LadyAmbien

ArgoATX posted:

workers own their labor, you idiot

i understand that you're doing the thing where you expressed a sincerely held but lovely opinion and are now attempting to play the "oh i was just trolling" card, but please just stop and go do something with your life

lead by example friend

# ? Nov 29, 2015 17:08

ArgoATX: Dec 10, 2014

les fleurs du mall posted:

lead by example friend

I REFUSE

# ? Nov 29, 2015 17:09

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

notZaar posted:

There's dozens of car manufacturers out there competing all the time, if they could be cheaper they would be.

But no wait, it makes way more sense that all of these companies are actually members of a secret conspiracy dedicated to keeping prices up, my bad. Go on.

do you think nikes cost 120 dollars to produce.

# ? Nov 29, 2015 17:51

Ka0: Sep 16, 2002; AS A PROUD GAMERGATER THE ONLY THING I HATE MORE THAN WOMEN ARE GAYS AND TRANS PEOPLE

# ? Nov 29, 2015 17:52

Burt Sexual: Jan 26, 2006; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Switchblade Switcharoo

Ka0 posted:

Who dat

# ? Nov 29, 2015 17:54

i am harry: Oct 14, 2003

notZaar posted:

But no wait, it makes way more sense that all of these companies are actually members of a secret conspiracy dedicated to keeping prices up, my bad. Go on.

...price-fixing happens all the time how can something we all know is "par for the course" inconceivable?

# ? Nov 29, 2015 18:03