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Tei posted:Eeek... this comment is gay. A stunning output from Western Culture.
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computer parts posted:A stunning output from Western Culture. We're clearly dealing with one of the intellectual titans of Western Culture here, sir.
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Tei posted:Eeek... this comment is gay. What the gently caress?
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Bip Roberts posted:What the gently caress? Pretty sure he's an actual 14 year old at this point.
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Nevvy Z posted:Pretty sure he's an actual 14 year old at this point. Or drunk posting for like three days straight. Same effect different source.
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Many countries in africa are really rich. With plenty of natural resources. Uranium, diamonds, coal, oil. Their farming industry is also powerful, with even more production possible with the introduction of modern techniques. Lets see how Islam has contributed in africa most populated nation: https://africacheck.org/factsheets/factsheet-explaining-nigerias-boko-haram-and-its-violent-insurgency/ Boko haram can be translated has "Western education is forbidden” quote:In 2013, Boko Haram targeted pupils in a series of awful school attacks in the northeast that killed dozens of boys. Later there were reports that the group was also kidnapping girls and women with the intent of raping them or making them brides. Tei fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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That etymology about Boko Haram has been repeated a lot, but isn't actually true. Anyway, here's something more relevant to the topic at hand.
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Nov 29, 2015 19:34
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computer parts posted:A stunning output from Western Culture. He's gay so let's throw him off a building and then stone him to death after his legs are broken. An enlightened output from Middle Eastern Culture.
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Nov 29, 2015 21:23
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RACHET posted:He's gay so let's throw him off a building and then stone him to death after his legs are broken. Huh, so all those references to loving other men up the rear end in Islamic poetry, those were just elaborate irony? I mean, cultures are simple and deterministic, except of course for the ones white people belong to.
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Nov 29, 2015 21:27
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RACHET posted:He's gay so let's throw him off a building and then stone him to death after his legs are broken. More proof that the people who claim "culture doesn't matter" become whiny babies once you actually criticize their culture.
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Nov 29, 2015 21:30
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computer parts posted:More proof that the people who claim "culture doesn't matter" become whiny babies once you actually criticize their culture. Culture does matter. Maybe you can make up more things if you makes you feel better. I don't want to "trigger" you or anything. Effectronica posted:Huh, so all those references to loving other men up the rear end in Islamic poetry, those were just elaborate irony? I mean, cultures are simple and deterministic, except of course for the ones white people belong to. I'm not sure if celebrating men raping prepubescent boys constitutes as elaborate irony.
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Nov 29, 2015 21:41
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I'm really at loss for how fast people turn on the First Amendment right to religion and free association (which is what private arbitration is) when someone's doing something they don't like and/or that scares them. Your approval of what ethical standard of living someone consents to doesn't matter, as long as physical violence isn't involved in the arbiter's ruling, and if you have hard proof of that happening in an American private sharia court bring it up already. Of course that'll still only impune that one court who did it and everyone else doesn't lose an iota of their rights to free associate into other sharia arbiters, but hey it's better than pure conjecture about clashing civilizations or whatever. poo poo or get off the pot.RACHET posted:He's gay so let's throw him off a building and then stone him to death after his legs are broken. We're talking about Islam, not Arabic culture, so that's not really relevant. It's a common mistake you're making and often why people slamming Muslims get pinned with the racism accusation because they made it too. Most Muslims are from Southeast Asia.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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But that's an integral part of Western culture!
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Nov 29, 2015 21:45
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Tei posted:Many countries in africa are really rich. With plenty of natural resources. Uranium, diamonds, coal, oil. Their farming industry is also powerful, with even more production possible with the introduction of modern techniques. Counterpoint: Senegal, an overwhelming Muslim country held up as a model of stability and democratic transparency in west africa.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Most Muslims are from Southeast Asia. You will find that the entire population of Southeast Asia (~620 million) is less than 40% of the global Muslim population (~1.6 billion)
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kustomkarkommando posted:Counterpoint: Senegal, an overwhelming Muslim country held up as a model of stability and democratic transparency in west africa. Interesting, kustom, will check that. Thanks for this. *google* http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/senegal.html Seems a Ok place if you have no problem sending gays to prison for kising. quote:LGBT RIGHTS: Consensual same-sex sexual relations are criminalized in Senegal. Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Intersex (LGBTI) individuals routinely face discrimination, and there is strong societal disapproval. Under Article 319 of the Senegalese penal code, “unnatural acts” are punishable by imprisonment of one to five years and a fine of CFA 1,000,000 (USD $2,000). While authorities have not dedicated significant resources to prosecuting individuals under this article, there have been several recent prosecutions. In September 2014, two men were arrested after police caught them kissing behind the presidential palace. In February 2014, a judge sentenced two men to six months in jail after they admitted in court to having consensual same-sex sexual relations. The men were arrested after a neighbor told police they were living together. In November 2013, five women were arrested for violating the law at a birthday party in a bar in Dakar. Following several days in prison, where they were harassed, the women were released due to a lack of evidence. In October 2012, a court in Dakar sentenced a man for violating the law. In January 2012, two women were arrested following the circulation of a cell phone video that showed them kissing. They were detained and released on bail several days later but were never formally charged with a crime. These incidents were widely covered in local print and online media. Acts of aggression by the pubic based on sexual orientation are considered routine. By western standards is Town Biggotry with Bigot Laws. By african standards is probably a pretty Ok place. If you don't plan to kiss a men behind the president palace, thats is. But thats very gay. Tei fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Effectronica posted:Huh, so all those references to loving other men up the rear end in Islamic poetry, those were just elaborate irony? I mean, cultures are simple and deterministic, except of course for the ones white people belong to. Over centuries, we have seen that any culture's values can change to their antithesis and back again. The context of discussion should be restricted to the modern era. There is no question that certain places in 2015 have horrifying punishments justified by certain interpretations of Sharia law without any place for what we consider due process or a framework for changing the laws. This is obviously what most Western people think of when they hear the term Sharia rather than rules for inheritance/marriage/contracts because the boring parts aren't newsworthy. The term is poisoned. Non-punitive Sharia law would probably be accepted by Westerners if it was simply called something else. Tei posted:Interesting, kustom, will check that. Thanks for this. This criticism doesn't hold much water when you remember that many parts of the United States had extremely harsh sodomy laws merely a dozen years ago, which is definitely in the modern era.
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Indonesia has a population around 255 million, about 87% of which are Muslims. Seems like a large enough sample of adherents of Islam who successfully interact with global society without violence to discredit the idea that the religion itself is the problem. Unless it is somehow significantly worse there than I have been led to believe.
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Nov 29, 2015 23:27
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Why is it when you question the compatability of certain cultures together, the automatic response by SJWs is the race card. I can 100% say that as long as a person abides by the one human law that everyone agrees on (treat others as you would like to be treated) then I am happy to mix with that person. However certain cultures apply that rule only to people of the same culture, and everyone else is a demon or a heretic or inferior etc... Until people put their values as a human first, cultures will always be incompatible in some way.
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emoji posted:This criticism doesn't hold much water when you remember that many parts of the United States had extremely harsh sodomy laws merely a dozen years ago, which is definitely in the modern era. Also, anti-LGBT persecution in Africa is hardly limited to Muslim-majority countries. Ever heard of God Loves Uganda?
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Nov 29, 2015 23:38
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RACHET posted:He's gay so let's throw him off a building and then stone him to death after his legs are broken. He's gay so let's forcibly put him into a mental hospital and carve pieces of his brain out. He saved us from the Nazi's you say? He knows too much then.
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Manic X posted:
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emoji posted:Over centuries, we have seen that any culture's values can change to their antithesis and back again. The context of discussion should be restricted to the modern era. There is no question that certain places in 2015 have horrifying punishments justified by certain interpretations of Sharia law without any place for what we consider due process or a framework for changing the laws. This is obviously what most Western people think of when they hear the term Sharia rather than rules for inheritance/marriage/contracts because the boring parts aren't newsworthy. The term is poisoned. Non-punitive Sharia law would probably be accepted by Westerners if it was simply called something else. And most Muslims who want "Shari'a law" want the boring poo poo. That still leaves us at an impasse. Manic X posted:Why is it when you question the compatability of certain cultures together, the automatic response by SJWs is the race card. You're making a good case for Euro-American (Islamic culture being Western culture) culture having serious problems, producing people who use this absurd notion of "cultural incompatibility" to justify inhumane behavior.
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RACHET posted:I don't want to "trigger" you or anything. The fact that you put that word in scare quotes seems to imply you think people being idiots on Tumblr means that PTSD doesn't exist. Pretty cold of you to take the valiant effort of the veterans who fought for your right to have free speech and make a mockery of their scars.
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I think we in the west need to ask ourselves how we ended up in a discursive environment where politicians want to be seen condemning Islam, why we pass unnecessary legislation banning nonexistent sharia courts, why we have to tell Muslim women what they can and cannot wear, or tell Muslims where they can or cannot build Mosques. I wonder why so many people feel the need to come into threads like this oh-so-eager to tell us all about how terrible Islam is, I want to know why on November 20 Bill Maher was conflating Islam with the separate traditions of FGM and honor killing when even the most superficial investigation would have disproved the link. I want to know why posters like Average Bear, who clearly had no idea what religious arbitration is, felt the need to condemn it. When did this fear and hate creep into my country? Where did people like my dad get the idea that Muslims are encouraged to lie and cheat unbelievers, and how did he come to believe it so strongly that he refused to buy a used car from a man with an Arabic sounding name? That was an instance of prejudice, and its wasn't the only one committed against Muslims in America. We need a plan to reverse the creeping bigotry.
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computer parts posted:Yeah we should talk to white culture about dealing with that. you was assuming that I was referring to Islamic cultures. I mean Western cultures in particular who raid and pillage other countries. Western countries should stop intefering in eastern lands, because we all know our governments don't intefere to peacekeep.
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Squalid posted:I think we in the west need to ask ourselves how we ended up in a discursive environment where politicians want to be seen condemning Islam*, why we pass unnecessary legislation banning nonexistent sharia courts**, why we have to tell Muslim women what they can and cannot wear***, or tell Muslims where they can or cannot build Mosques****. *,**,***,****,*****,******,******* : racism The plan is, unfortunately, not going to succeed in the short-term, and even the long-term solution is years of attempting to subvert national (and international) propaganda that states that Muslims are evil. The long-term solution might not work either depending on how geopolitics and the media evolve in the 21st century. Without intending to say the situation is hopeless, we're certainly at a low point in combating these views.
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I'm wondering what it is about Islamic culture that makes it particularly potent and effective at destroying the native culture of a place where an insignificant amount of Muslims live that other cultures don't have. Jewish, Italian, Catholic culture didn't destroy the western world. Quite the opposite actually. Maybe if your culture can be destroyed from the inside out by a small cabal of people that have no real power then your culture isn't worth a poo poo to begin with.
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Squalid posted:When did this fear and hate creep into my country? September 11, 2001, was when it went on overdrive, and it has only increased since. Each terrorist act committed against westerners is directly aimed at increasing this bigotry. It is, after all, their hope that western society starts rejecting Islam violently, forcing the Muslims living in western society to emigrate to Muslim-majority country, or to rebel and take arms against the West.
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Wheeee posted:It's not Islamophobia if they're really out to get you.
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Tesseraction posted:"if" being the key word.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Remind me, what was the justification given by bin Laden for that attack? Do you remember?
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Tesseraction posted:Remind me, what was the justification given by bin Laden for that attack? Do you remember? I don't pay attention to terrorists. Aside from cheering when they die.
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We will kill every one of them until they’re so sick of the killing that they leave us and our freedoms intact.
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Baloogan posted:I don't pay attention to terrorists. Aside from cheering when they die. And this very outlook is why you'll continue to cause the deaths of innocents worldwide. Try and answer my question again. Take a wild guess.
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I didn't want to bring it up but Baloogan has been previously probated for accusing the mods of anti-Semitism (on shaky grounds). It's likely he's being ironic with posts like that.
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Tesseraction posted:I didn't want to bring it up but Baloogan has been previously probated for accusing the mods of anti-Semitism (on shaky grounds). It's likely he's being ironic with posts like that. To be fair being against antisemitism doesn't mean you aren't ok with other forms of religious intolerance.
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PT6A posted:Also, anti-LGBT persecution in Africa is hardly limited to Muslim-majority countries. Ever heard of God Loves Uganda? Let's not engage in Christophobia, criticizing evangelical and pentecostal homophobia in Africa is just another display of colonialist white supremacy. Tesseraction posted:Remind me, what was the justification given by bin Laden for that attack? Do you remember? Al Qaeda's declaration of war against the United States was explicitly grounded in Islamic religious tradition, specifically a hadith in which the Prophet supposedly banned infidels from the Arabian Peninsula. The stationing of American troops in Saudi Arabia was seen as a violation by the Saudi monarchy of that religious duty. But since the real answer makes you look like foolish, I'm guessing you had a different (and incorrect) answer in mind.
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