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Kobayashi posted:I don't know, I thought Fiorina tying the shooter to Black Lives Matter was a pretty impressive feat of false equivalency. I want to see this, link please?
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What do you think obstensivly means?
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xrunner posted:What do you think obstensivly means? Dammit.
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The worst part is that conservatives won't let go of the "transgender left-wing activist" lie. Ever. And it will be used to justify even more violence against transgender people.
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Nov 30, 2015 00:41
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Mr Interweb posted:And that tweet perfectly encapsulates how lazy and facile right-wing arguments are. As if supposedly being on the same team as Democrats would make the acts of said person less horrific to Democrats. Great minds think alike!
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Nov 30, 2015 00:41
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Taeke posted:As a European it's always kind of funny when people complain something Obama said or did 'makes the US look weak' considering you've got the largest, most advanced, military force by a huge margin, god knows what the gently caress your agencies do covertly and whenever something happens in the world, wether it concerns you directly or not, all eyes are on you to see what your response will be.
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Nov 30, 2015 00:47
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Mr Interweb posted:Assuming this dude is in fact transgendered, is there any other basis for him/her being a "leftist activist". Conservatives are good. Liberals are bad. A bad thing happened, therefore it must have been a liberal who did it.
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Nov 30, 2015 00:53
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Epic High Five posted:Considering everything else, it's quite likely that he just put Female to mess with any gubmint officials and make their lives harder Isn't that some sort of Sovereign Citizen tactic? Misreporting gender, misspelling their name, etc on official documents
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Logikv9 posted:Well Fiorina is the worst human being in the race sooo
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smg77 posted:Isn't that some sort of Sovereign Citizen tactic? Misreporting gender, misspelling their name, etc on official documents I wouldn't put it past them. Who was the congressman who tried to grandstand by telling everybody in his district to ignore the census to SHOW THEM  but then backpedaled like crazy when it meant his district would be absorbed into another and he'd be out of a job?
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Logikv9 posted:Well Fiorina is the worst human being in the race sooo Ted Cruz exists though
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Epic High Five posted:I wouldn't put it past them. Who was the congressman who tried to grandstand by telling everybody in his district to ignore the census to SHOW THEM God old Michelle Bachman. She was a treasure chest of insanity.
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fade5 posted:We have been intervening against ISIL militarily for more than a year, and our military is so gargantuan that most people in the US haven't even noticed any strain or changes that our level of intervention would wreak on most other countries. It's a scary thought that even without nukes, if it weren't for the rest of th EU, you could pretty much obliterate my nation's military and pretty much level our country (as much as the Netherlands can be leveled any more) without it putting any strain on your economy or daily life. The idea that the US could be considered weak at all is ludicrous. The president could declare themself a MLP fan and insist on doing all public appearances in a furry costume and it would only make you guys scarier.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:They're all the worst. Yeah there is no one worst candidate. They're all horrible sacks of putrid waste in their own unique way.
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xrunner posted:God old Michelle Bachman. She was a treasure chest of insanity. Oh my god that was the sky captain herself? Fantastic, we need to petition to have her ethics charges dropped so she can re-emerge and accrue some new ones while creating even more headlines Taeke posted:It's a scary thought that even without nukes, if it weren't for the rest of th EU, you could pretty much obliterate my nation's military and pretty much level our country (as much as the Netherlands can be leveled any more) without it putting any strain on your economy or daily life. The idea that the US could be considered weak at all is ludicrous. The president could declare themself a MLP fan and insist on doing all public appearances in a furry costume and it would only make you guys scarier. I don't think anybody here really, truly believes that America has a WEAK military. It's more accurately read as, "President Obama isn't being aggressive enough militarily." If you're going to be scared of something be scared that a bloc that's big enough to pander to in the US genuinely wants us to nuke Mecca and believes this would make the Musselmen cow-tow to our might. You know, like all the other times in history that destroying a revered cultural artifact has caused the culture to just fold up overnight, such as when
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We now interrupt this scheduled broadcast of the usual post-shooting GOP bullshit to bring you our annual Thankstaking Weekend Special: Remembering All That poo poo We Did to the Native Americans Oh Whoops Things Are Still Pretty Bad Today Actuallyquote:It took 50 years for the federal government to admit officially that the education it had promised to provide Indian children was so bad it qualified as abuse. “Grossly inadequate,” wrote the authors of a scathing 1928 report. Forty years later, the feds were taking themselves to task again, in a report by Sen. Edward Kennedy that called the state of Indian education a “national tragedy.” quote:. . .even after a law was passed in 1978 aimed at giving tribes the same kind of control as the five-member school board that ran Rough Rock, the internal workings of the Bureau of Indian Affairs were still broken. quote:A group of House Republicans like Cole and Democrats — many of them from states with large Indian populations — support funding the BIE schools. When Obama requested money for new schools this year, the committee gave him his $188 million request — large by comparison to his previous requests but still only a fraction of the need, according to some members of Congress. In the Senate, however, the panel that writes spending bills for the Department of the Interior is chaired by Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), who has no BIE schools in her state. Murkowski recommended a small pool of funds, $23 million, for new schools this year. Murkowski's office did not respond to requests for comment.
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Well thankfully the guy's still alive so eventually he's going to have to go on trial. There's going to be video of him on the stand screaming "I ain't no fuckin' transgender, sir" and talking about how Obama is a muslim usurper. This guy's crazy is so off the charts, politically relevant, and readily available that we might see some real poo poo if this guy's a dyed in the wool conservative.
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Epic High Five posted:I don't think anybody here really, truly believes that America has a WEAK military. It's more accurately read as, "President Obama isn't being aggressive enough militarily." If you're going to be scared of something be scared that a bloc that's big enough to pander to in the US genuinely wants us to nuke Mecca and believes this would make the Musselmen cow-tow to our might. Re,member when the US military would report they killed the 'third in command' every few months. In between orange 'creditable threats' upping of the poo poo your pants citizen scale.
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happyhippy posted:Re,member when the US military would report they killed the 'third in command' every few months. Another confounding factor is that Obama could be lobbing nukes while flipping world leaders off and it would be too passive and simpering. Did anybody ever take that color coded thing seriously? I remember I used to use it as a "how is dubbya polling" tracker because it so reliably went to the danger zone when his numbers slipped. The dude who created it was well-intentioned and thought it would really help, which is a shame because the whole thing was put on his shoulders and he was never heard from again.
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Jagchosis posted:No guarantee an intervention would have worked out that well, Syria was p much guaranteed to be a failed state after the war heated up. Optimistically it would wind up being a perpetual low intensity civil war like Libya is if Assad was toppled, which I guess is better than the status quo. But even if an intervention worked well it would definitely have hosed up detente with Iran, which I feel is more important in the long run. By the time the "red line" became an issue Syria was already proper hosed with Salafis everywhere anyway I don't disagree that arming rebels sooner could have blown up in our faces. My disagreement isn't that Obama is terrible for not doing this, just I would have preferred he either authorized air strikes and provided arms or other things sooner. Personally I think Libya V2 would be better than what's going on in Syria. Concerns with Iran are also a good idea s on to not jump in. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Maybe I'm naive, but I don't get why anyone would care that the Planned Parenthood shooter may be transgender. Women are just as capable of terrorism as men are, and what gender he or she was born as should be doubly irrelevant.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Well thankfully the guy's still alive so eventually he's going to have to go on trial. There's going to be video of him on the stand screaming "I ain't no fuckin' transgender, sir" and talking about how Obama is a muslim usurper. This guy's crazy is so off the charts, politically relevant, and readily available that we might see some real poo poo if this guy's a dyed in the wool conservative. You are going to see MAYBE 5 minutes of coverage of this trial at best.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:We now interrupt this scheduled broadcast of the usual post-shooting GOP bullshit to bring you our annual Thankstaking Weekend Special: Remembering All That poo poo We Did to the Native Americans Oh Whoops Things Are Still Pretty Bad Today Actually
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Cythereal posted:Maybe I'm naive, but I don't get why anyone would care that the Planned Parenthood shooter may be transgender. Women are just as capable of terrorism as men are, and what gender he or she was born as should be doubly irrelevant. Because in this case, first and foremost, it is a lie meant to misdirect. If spread, this lie could result in the further demonization of transgender people. Especially since the right wing is so eager to tie this to "mental illness".
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Cythereal posted:Maybe I'm naive, but I don't get why anyone would care that the Planned Parenthood shooter may be transgender. Women are just as capable of terrorism as men are, and what gender he or she was born as should be doubly irrelevant. You're a sane, logical person. People who take the wet fart seriously think that transgender => leftist => EVIL. It's purely us vs them mentality.
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Jack2142 posted:I don't disagree that arming rebels sooner could have blown up in our faces. My disagreement isn't that Obama is terrible for not doing this, just I would have preferred he either authorized air strikes and provided arms or other things sooner. Personally I think Libya V2 would be better than what's going on in Syria. Has there been evidence of us arming a group of rebels for short term gain that didn't all get distributed to people who would eventually become our enemies soon after?
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Rexicon1 posted:Has there been evidence of us arming a group of rebels for short term gain that didn't all get distributed to people who would eventually become our enemies soon after? Bay of Pigs?
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Epic High Five posted:Bay of Pigs? Usurpation of Hawaii? Annexation of Texas? Cythereal fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Epic High Five posted:Oh my god that was the sky captain herself? Fantastic, we need to petition to have her ethics charges dropped so she can re-emerge and accrue some new ones while creating even more headlines The time the Romans destroyed the sacred Druid groves of Angelesy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_conquest_of_Anglesey Or when they destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem? Not many Jewish uprisings after that.
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Rexicon1 posted:You are going to see MAYBE 5 minutes of coverage of this trial at best. I bet Rachel Maddow alone gives him more than that. Either way, If I were a Republican candidate I would be praying that he doesn't say who he was going to vote for because that will definitely get headlines.
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The radicalization of an abortion terrorist can follow the same lines as an American citizen inspired by Zawahiri through bad Quranic quotes, cheesy websites and a few forum discussions, but you won't hear that from the right because they think becoming a Muslim is actually the first step on the way to being a terrorist now.
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Cythereal posted:Maybe I'm naive, but I don't get why anyone would care that the Planned Parenthood shooter may be transgender. Women are just as capable of terrorism as men are, and what gender he or she was born as should be doubly irrelevant. Obviously if he were transgender he would ipso facto be not one of them, and thus nothing about their ideology or rhetoric could have led to his actions.
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evilweasel posted:This also already exists, it's called punitive damages. And at the level currently being applied it isn't punitive enough. You can add rules for minimal levels of punitive damages. In a fundraising type organization I would put minimal punitive damages at 100% of funds raised from the proven slander.
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This feels like when that guy who shot up the Holocaust Museum was labeled a Democrat even though he cited listening to Rush and O'Reilly, so he was quickly ignored and forgotten by the Right.
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Trump has a very good memory. The media just has to dig back in its archives harder. Eventually they'll find that he was right all along. And if they don't? Well that just proves that the media was lying all along. I mean it's not like they haven't lied before. I mean, the media just has it out for Trump, who's just saying what we all already know: Washington and the media elite are just hiding it from us and playing the victim game all over again. Why just last week they claimed that Trump made fun of one of their own. A crippled reporter. A. Crippled. Reporter. From The New York Times. Probably hired as one of their "affirmative action" cases. Anyway, this reporter says that they were made fun of by Trump and demanded an apology. But you know what? The media made the whole thing up. Trump said that! They made the whole thing up! And will the media apologize for that? No! So I'm sure Trump is right when he said Muslims in New Jersey were cheering on 9/11. It's all just more lies from the media. It's all lies with them. All lies from the media and the crooked politicians in DC. Not like Trump. He's not afraid to tell the truth. TL;DR: Trump is doing better at the game than Nixon or Fiorina ever dreamed.
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FlamingLiberal posted:This feels like when that guy who shot up the Holocaust Museum was labeled a Democrat even though he cited listening to Rush and O'Reilly, so he was quickly ignored and forgotten by the Right. This guy is going to be quickly ignored and forgotten by the Right no matter what, though.
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Geokinesis posted:This whole PP shooting thing is crazy, like if someone over here I know this was pages ago but I don't think it got addressed fully. In the US basic family planning services generally fall somewhere between general practice and gynecology so you can get STD testing, pregnancy tests, and birth control from a specialist in either field, and you can theoretically get a chemical abortion from anyone capable of issuing the prescription. A surgical abortion takes special training and instruments so you'd have to find a doctor who had them, most likely a OB/GYN whose practice could be in a hospital or free-standing clinic. This person could easily be your own OB/GYN or one in the network and operating out of the same hospital, clinic, or medical complex as the rest of your providers. Where Planned Parenthood fits in is that it's basically just a public health clinic that specializes in family planning services alone, and a little bit of women's health thrown in. They're generally more convenient than going to a hospital or doctors' office for basic care, which is why even insured people will hit them up, and they can offer subsidies for people who can't otherwise afford their services. They are not the only organization who does that; there are even government-funded public health clinics with the same specialization in some places. PP is just the biggest organization that has the nerve to provide birth control and abortions to young people and poors who need to be punished for their fornication unlike the good girls who have their abortions in the discrete confines of private gynecologists' offices. Also the war on abortion, birth control, and women's reproductive rights in general is and was a direct response to the success of women's liberation. Agency over their own sex lives gave women agency over other parts, and the Christian right knows it.
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