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So, the Australian Infinity Nationals are rolling around once more, and after the ~wackiness~ that was last years missions, these ones are straight ITS, with one exception. The one exception is that everyone is scoring, and there are already three soggy link teams signed up. (Specialists get a +3 WIP bonus to objectives! That will certainly be comforting as their mangled corpses fall to the floor.)
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Nov 30, 2015 10:07
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Wasn't that an issue with ITS a few years ago, they made Lt a specialist skill - cue everyone taking Avatar or Cutter Lts and just doing everything with them for 11 orders?Pierzak posted:FO is FTF, strangely enough. That is weird. Makes it non-suicidal at least, although if you fancy your odds on the FtF, it still would often make sense to just use the FO as a shooter. Maybe at long range and/or if you have bunched template targets. Pierzak posted:Looks awesome. Paint it as an old, barely-running Soviet power plant. I will pass on the praise and the suggestion.
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Nov 30, 2015 18:32
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I feel like if the choice is shooting your Combi-Rifle at a TAG or painting it for a Smart Missile Launcher the better choice is the latter. You're probably not going to bother painting infantry for missiles though.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:05
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Genghis Cohen posted:Wasn't that an issue with ITS a few years ago, they made Lt a specialist skill - cue everyone taking Avatar or Cutter Lts and just doing everything with them for 11 orders? Yes. Never change, Australia, never change. I look forward to reading the battle reports.  BattleMaster posted:I feel like if the choice is shooting your Combi-Rifle at a TAG or painting it for a Smart Missile Launcher the better choice is the latter. You're probably not going to bother painting infantry for missiles though. I painted a Squalo with my Hunzakut FO during Saturday's tournament. It made a huge difference even though I had nothing guided - hitting on 19s with my Azzie's AP HMG was crucial when the TAG was shooting back with BS15 EXP AROs. The Targeted state absolutely saved my game on a couple of those exchanges. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Nov 30, 2015 22:07
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Ahahahaha, I got it wrong. Specialists auto-complete objectives on a Short Action. Non-specialists auto-complete objectives on a Long Action. Pan-O players just filled their pants. Genghis Cohen posted:Wasn't that an issue with ITS a few years ago, they made Lt a specialist skill - cue everyone taking Avatar or Cutter Lts and just doing everything with them for 11 orders? As someone that ran tournaments in that timeframe, yes. It was horrible. Though, to be honest, with the way this is set up, Kum Bikers and the various Ariadnan dogs will ensure victory in even moderately skilled hands.
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Nov 30, 2015 22:18
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WAR FOOT posted:Ahahahaha, I got it wrong.  I have only one question: Avatar, or double-TAG PanO?
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Nov 30, 2015 22:19
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I was thinking Marut+Achilles.
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Nov 30, 2015 22:27
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WAR FOOT posted:Though, to be honest, with the way this is set up, Kum Bikers and the various Ariadnan dogs will ensure victory in even moderately skilled hands. Now do the same with 3 Antipodes and 3 consoles 
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Nov 30, 2015 22:28
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Corbeau posted:Yes. Oh right, Targeted helps other attacks too. I just had Guided on the mind because of the Vertigo Zond on my Bakunin list.
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Nov 30, 2015 23:00
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WAR FOOT posted:Ahahahaha, I got it wrong. Dang what. What the hell is the Aussy meta like to come to that sort of tournament set up? I mean, I think ITS has problems like everyone else, but dang.
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Nov 30, 2015 23:03
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Verr posted:Dang what. What the hell is the Aussy meta like to come to that sort of tournament set up? I mean, I think ITS has problems like everyone else, but dang. I run a tournament, and finding a nice balancing point between Specialists and Other Stuff is hard, but I usually manage. The answer is not to let standard troops score, or you end up with my tentative Australian Nationals list:  Aleph────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1   10  0  0 MARUT Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower, Nanopulser / AP CCW. (3 | 120) ACHILLES Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75) THAMYRIS Hacker (Hacking Device) Marker, Nanopulser / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25) DACTYL Engineer Combi Rifle, Adhesive-Launcher, D-Charges / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (23) DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (17) DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (15) THORAKITES (Forward Observer) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle, Flash Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (13) NETROD Electric Pulse. (4) NETROD Electric Pulse. (4) NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)6 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 5
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Nov 30, 2015 23:07
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What does a Warcor bring to USAriadna? A previous post says to paint the dismounted biker as one. Just a usable model?
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Dec 1, 2015 00:18
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Flash Pulse is a legit ARO and Warcors are cheap.
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Dec 1, 2015 00:28
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Their Irregular order can be made Regular in a pinch, too.
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Dec 1, 2015 00:41
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Corbeau posted:Flash Pulse is a legit ARO and Warcors are cheap. Does Sixth Sense boost the effectiveness of that ARO as well? Edit: ok, sixth sense level 1 gives him bonuses within his zone of control.
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Dec 1, 2015 01:05
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I got bored, and I've never seen anyone at my club use ECM vs. guided. Thought I'd do some math so I can smugly tell them which to use in what situation. Should I use ECM? Many of the TAGs in the game have a little-used rule: Electronic Countermeasures, or ECM. To use ECM requires the use of your ARO when targeted by weaponry with the 'Guided' bonus. When a Smart Missile Launcher fires, it rolls BS+6, without Line of Sight, to see if it can hit. There are no other modifiers for range or similar. This means that Guided Missiles will, often, be rolling a single dice unopposed with a target of 18. ECM removes the guided bonus of +6, bringing their BS back down to 12. Now, the question becomes, is it better, as a TAG with ECM, to Dodge at PH-9 (-6 for TAG, -3 for no LoS to a Direct Template), or deploy ECM countermeasures? Further, if you have a Hacker in your list with SHIELD-1 Protocols, any time Guided Ammunition is fired, anywhere on the table, they may use the U-Turn feature to impose a further -3 BS on the Guided roll. First, a breakdown of TAGs with ECM and their physicality. PH 18: Jotums PH 17: Marut, Cutter, Dragoes, Guija, O-Yoroi, Lizard Squad, Szalamandra, Avatar, Raicho PH 16: Seraphs, Iguana, Sphinx, Gorgos PH 15: Tikbalangs, Uhlans Next, the fun stuff. Math. To begin with, ECM values are flat. The following values are our benchmarks. ECM, no U-Turn: 45% chance to avoid damage. ECM, U-Turn: 60% chance to avoid damage. PH 18: The Heavyweight The only TAG presently in this category is the Jotums. Dodge vs. Guided, no U-Turn: 14.21% Chance for neither to succeed, 15.75% for a successful dodge. Total: 29.96% chance to avoid damage. Dodge vs. Guided, U-Turn: 21.18% chance for neither to succeed, 21.75% for a successful dodge. Total: 42.93% chance to avoid damage. Given the fact that the odds will only get worse as the PH goes down, it's safe to say, against Guided Ammunition, your ARO as a TAG should always be ECM. I think my math is right. gently caress.
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Dec 1, 2015 03:22
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dexefiend posted:Does Sixth Sense boost the effectiveness of that ARO as well? Not really, but the option of infuriating off your opponent because he ignored the Warcor and got his expensive unit blinded by a 3pt chump is delicious.
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Dec 1, 2015 04:37
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What's the best way to expand bases for figures that have legs that overstep their boundaries?
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Dec 1, 2015 05:16
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BattleMaster posted:What's the best way to expand bases for figures that have legs that overstep their boundaries? You play PanO? Check if you're using the Silhouette-appropriate base size. Most nasty base extender poo poo was from N2 minis that got bigger bases in N3, like special drones and TAGs.
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Dec 1, 2015 05:36
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I'm actually thinking of the Nomad Salyut Zond because it's shown with an extended base in all of the photos on the website and on the box. However after reading your post, when I went to measure the base that came with it just now to compare to the S4 base size it's supposed to have it matched. And when I test-fitted the parts it looks like it actually fits on the included base perfectly. Was there a reprint of the mini that comes with the new correct N3-sized base but still had the old photos on the box?
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Dec 1, 2015 05:55
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Yes, all the models with upgraded bases are still shown on the old ones.
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Dec 1, 2015 05:58
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Cool, thanks. Not having to deal with weird bases suits me just fine. Did they give every other oversized model a suitably-bigger base in the current edition?
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Dec 1, 2015 06:06
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Current offenders are: Charontid (comes with a 25mm base but is S5 so no big deal) Skiavoro Paracommando LGL all sapper models Maghariba Guard (you need to make the 70mm base yourself, cut it out of HDF or something)
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Dec 1, 2015 06:15
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Awesome, thanks. That makes me feel better about some of the models I stayed away from because of the awkward basing. Edit: Well clearly it didn't scare me away from the Salyut Zonds but whatever
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Dec 1, 2015 06:18
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So after starting to put some paint on the USAriadna stuff I bought back when the box came out and picking up the stuff released for them since then I played a game with my just base coated army. Played seize the antenna against Bakunin nomads. List was pretty gimpy as I tried running with only the models released but I did use my dismounted Maverick model as a second Foxtrot Ranger. Managed to end the game with two of the Antennas held and accomplished my secret objective of Extreme Prejudice by having a Foxtrot shank one of those ODD nuns while she was down.  USAriadna Ranger Force────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 9 1 2 DEVIL DOG Heavy Shotgun, Smoke Grenades + 1 K-9 Antipode / AP CCW. (39)  K-9 ANTIPODE AP CCW. (7) FOXTROT (Forward Observer) Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (18) FOXTROT (Forward Observer) Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (18) VAN ZANT AP Rifle / Heavy Pistol, AP CCW. (38) GRUNT HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 21) GRUNT (Marksmanship LX) Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18) GRUNT (Forward Observer) Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (11) GRUNT (Forward Observer) Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (11) GRUNT Paramedic (MediKit) Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12) MAVERICK Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (21)Group 2 4 1 0 GRUNT Lieutenant Rifle, Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 14) GRUNT (Inferior Infiltration) Heavy Flamethrower, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 11) HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14) MARAUDER Paramedic (MediKit) Rifle, Heavy Flamethrower / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (23) MINUTEMAN (Marksmanship L1, X-Visor) AP Rifle, 2 Light Flamethrowers / Pistol, CCW. (29)3 SWC | 298 Points Open with Army 5 Ended the game with only 6 models on the table. The game was a brutal slog on my end losing almost every face to face roll and all but two armor rolls. I still enjoyed it however, played much different than what I am used to with my Combined Army elite operator nightmare robot squid squadron where I am usually at a decent advantage in terms of gear and shootouts. I also noticed that Foxtrots rule and I want more of them but the two older Foxtrot models look horrible, has anyone had any success finding alternate models for use as Foxtrots? I'm also looking around for a 4x4 mat that I can use for games set on Ariadna, I love my MicroArt mat but my USA stuff looks a tad out of place on that.
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Dec 1, 2015 07:30
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Ninja Sniper and Ninja Hacker are on the correct base, but the overhang... Jesus, CB. What were you thinking? It's as baffling as your choices to sculpt things standing on rocky outcrops when 99% of tables are urban.
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Dec 1, 2015 07:55
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^^ Oh jesus gently caress, I totally forgot about those  Comrade Merf posted:has anyone had any success finding alternate models for use as Foxtrots? Hasslefree have a ton of Ariadna-appropriate models/conversion donors, look under modern troopers. Pierzak fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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Dec 1, 2015 08:07
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WAR FOOT posted:Ninja Sniper and Ninja Hacker are on the correct base, but the overhang... Jesus, CB. What were you thinking? It's as baffling as your choices to sculpt things standing on rocky outcrops when 99% of tables are urban. Similarly, the Bakunin Moderator with the Spitfire is in a cool dynamic pose that was clearly designed with no regard for the models that could be around him.
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Dec 1, 2015 08:35
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BattleMaster posted:Similarly, the Bakunin Moderator with the Spitfire is in a cool dynamic pose that was clearly designed with no regard for the models that could be around him. Moderator? Try the spitfire Gwailo. Even weighted down on the other side of the base it falls down when you think at it from the wrong direction. Placing models around it is a luxury, positioning near cover is next to impossible, and he's got nanoscreen 
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Dec 1, 2015 08:44
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That makes me appreciate the sensible pose of the Spitfire Riot Grrl.
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Dec 1, 2015 08:57
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Pierzak posted:^^ Oh jesus gently caress, I totally forgot about those So these scale well with Infinity stuff? Couldn't find a reputable dealer in the USA so it looks like i'll be ordering them directly. Wish there was a way to get Infinity weapon bits.
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Dec 1, 2015 09:01
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Comrade Merf posted:So these scale well with Infinity stuff? Yes.
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Dec 1, 2015 09:05
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Comrade Merf posted:So these scale well with Infinity stuff? Couldn't find a reputable dealer in the USA so it looks like i'll be ordering them directly. Wish there was a way to get Infinity weapon bits. I've been using their knockoff Motoko and Batou (in their Future Heroes section I think) in my Steel Phalanx for a while, they fit right in. One of my friends has used their modern warfare style guys in his Ariadna, too. Hasslefree are great.
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Dec 1, 2015 09:15
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Comrade Merf posted:So these scale well with Infinity stuff? Couldn't find a reputable dealer in the USA so it looks like i'll be ordering them directly. Wish there was a way to get Infinity weapon bits. They are true 28mm and will scale with the older Infinity stuff. Not so well with post-Icestorm bits I wager. Edit - Proportionally they will fit in. They don't have heroic proportions so they will be fine even with the new stuff as long as they don't stand next to each other.
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Dec 1, 2015 10:30
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Z the IVth posted:They are true 28mm and will scale with the older Infinity stuff. Not so well with post-Icestorm bits I wager. That is what I was afraid of. Putting my Yu Jing Stuff next to my USA stuff and the Americans come out waaaay taller. The minute man from the starter looks like a nine foot tall juggernaut when placed next to any of the Yu Jing starter box dudes.
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Dec 1, 2015 12:19
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So this may not be new, but I just saw the Shark Mounted Lasers tournament table deal for $150: http://sharkmountedlasers.com/product/optimized-tournament-table-deal/ That seems like a pretty solid quantity of terrain for the $. Does anyone now of a better deal quantity-wise? I'm thinking that this might have to be a Christmas present to myself.
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Dec 1, 2015 15:19
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Thread, I have a problem. I don't play PanO, but I keep buying their poo poo. Somewhat related, how useful is the Angel painting book on its own merits? 'cause I keep looking at that Joan sculpt and thinking spendy thoughts.
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Dec 1, 2015 17:38
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grassy gnoll posted:Thread, I have a problem. I don't play PanO, but I keep buying their poo poo. Honestly, not very? Unless you already own an excellent airbrush setup and have at least an intermediate knowledge of how to airbrush, and how to use airbrush technical liquids, it's not really worthwhile.
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Dec 1, 2015 20:33
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I'm going to a tournament Thursday night, looking for some feedback on my Coffin Raiders/Beacon Land list.  PanOceania────────────────────────────────────────────────── Group 1 10 0 0 NISSE MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) NISSE HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34) AKAL COMMANDO Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, E/M CCW. (0.5 | 28) AKAL COMMANDO Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, E/M CCW. (0.5 | 28) ORC Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 42) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (16) BROTHER KONSTANTINOS Specialist (Infiltration) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, CCW. (34) TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (3) FUSILIER Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10) FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)Group 2 3 0 0 SIERRA DRONBOT HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (8) MULEBOT (EVO Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 13)6 SWC | 299 Points Open with Army 5 My plan for coffin raiders is to mostly use the Orc Hacker and Konstantinos to run med packs for Coffin raiders. The Akals are there are drop down in the backline and hopefully pick off their specialists, while still being capable of running med packs. The mulebot is there purely for Beacon land where he gets my specialists a +3 to everything, as well as making it a lot easier for my Akals to drop beacons in their deployment zones. Edit: I forgot to mention that my meta has a ton of ALEPH and Nomad players, so I tried maximizing the amount of MSV2 I could get to more easily deal with Smoke/ODD.
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Hello thread, I've just started playing - done Icestorm and a couple of intro games, is there a good read that'll tell me the obvious pitfalls to avoid (For example, my first into game I didn't have any specialists at all) ? (I've read the Op and a few pages in, but 200 pages is much to wade through) I've started HaqqIslam, and so far I like them, I've got the rules, but can't find the Sectorial lists ? As I got both the sectorial starters and so on, I'd like to give 'em a look - I know the army builder had the right limits etc for each, but is there somewhere I can actually read what they are ?
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Dec 1, 2015 22:03
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