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Mahatma Goonsay posted:' is not so like ! in any normal programming language. There is no <= or >= so to get less then or equal to you have to use not greater then. ^ is for assignment and goes left to right. You can do things like 1^X^Y^Z^FOO^BAR and it sets them all to 1. There is no declaring variables other then by assigning things to them. The N() just wraps the result in a newline, so you don't get a result of 12fizz4buzz. # is a prefix open to the screen. Wow, that really does feel like a really pointless mutation of mumps. I wonder why they threw away the= operator and used ^ for assignment instead. Does MAGIC have globals still? How do you do persistent storage or array notation in MAGIC?
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:well that solves problem number 4 enter your search, press <enter> (to find candidates), page through them with n and N.
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Dec 1, 2015 16:20
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They are doing a 4 hour workshop on backbone.js here next week, I am going, and hope that they do one about React next
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Wow, that really does feel like a really pointless mutation of mumps. I wonder why they threw away the= operator and used ^ for assignment instead. Does MAGIC have globals still? How do you do persistent storage or array notation in MAGIC? Not really sure why they went with the ^, although it frees up = to actually mean equal. In a magic terminal the ^ actually looks like a little right arrow kinda like ->. So for storage and globals and whatnot you need to open up a prefix, which is kind of like the # one we were talking about before that is open to the screen. You would open up & to all your lab data or whatever and then you can read/write data to it. You can also open up a private prefix which will work as a global for whatever data you want to put into it and it will stick around in that session until that prefix is closed. There are things that are sort of like arrays, but not really. There are some really funny limitations on things, like strings crashing if they are over 255 chars. I should probably go get some work done for now.
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Mahatma Goonsay posted:All this mumps chat is very interesting. Let me introduce you all to meditech $t, which I am coming to learn is the PL that time forgot. i dont know what this language is or anything about it or whatever so here goes: 0^X stores 0 in X DO{X '> 100... } loops while X is not greater than 100 N(...) does... something? maybe something about string handling IF{...} blocks are composed of checks and results and seem more like a switch statement. X\ n = 0 is X mod n i guess The empty X at the end of the if block i guess handles the default/nonmatching cases and returns nothing ^# stores to the console or stdout or whatever X+1^X increments X obvi
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Dec 1, 2015 17:40
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definitely not as bad as assembly
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Dec 1, 2015 17:41
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my big unix learning was on tcsh and I miss the history search. type a prefix, esc-p searches matches now I have to pipe history thru grep like some chump
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Dec 1, 2015 18:00
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:My problems are:
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Dec 1, 2015 18:03
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i solved that problem by spending too much money on a keyboard that has the keys in the right place. control is where caps lock usually is, and caps lock is relegated to fn+tab just remembered that this fucks me up when i have to go into the office and use the laptop keyboard. i keep hitting caps lock, and the alt-meta keys are in the opposite order :/
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Dec 1, 2015 18:09
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Barnyard Protein posted:i solved that problem by spending too much money on a keyboard that has the keys in the right place. control is where caps lock usually is, and caps lock is relegated to fn+tab Same but my company paid too much money for a mac. Now when I get home I'm always hitting alt-t in chrome and at work I hit cmd-h and instead of showing my history it minimises the window.
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Dec 1, 2015 18:14
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JawnV6 posted:my big unix learning was on tcsh and I miss the history search. type a prefix, esc-p searches matches as always fish is the best shell type prefix->press up to cycle through matching history entries
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Dec 1, 2015 18:17
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Map caps lock to escape, and use that to get out of insert mode. It's amazing unless you somehow have found a reason to hit caps lock on purpose, something I've never done after decades of computering. It's something I do immediately on every machine I own. no i already map capslock to ctrl, and I definitely won't be changing that. i'm just trying to get used to ctrl+[ for exiting. i think it's better than ctrl+c anyhow
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Dec 1, 2015 18:25
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:no i already map capslock to ctrl, and I definitely won't be changing that. Ctrl is right there though, you can just hit it, escape you gotta reach for. Remapping it is some emacs-rear end poo poo. I don't like hitting ctrl with one hand and the button with the other but if you can get used to it - good luck. Also ctrl+r for history search in zsh saves me a ton of time, but sometimes with nested shells it stops working for some reason.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Ctrl is right there though, you can just hit it, escape you gotta reach for. Remapping it is some emacs-rear end poo poo. I don't like hitting ctrl with one hand and the button with the other but if you can get used to it - good luck. yeah i'll consider mapping ctrl to escape, since it's basically just unused currently. i think that would gently caress me up though because i still hit ctrl a lot by accident. also i'm pretty sure i still prefer caps+[ to hitting ctrl. ctrl is awkward to press. caps+[ is not.
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Dec 1, 2015 18:35
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Arcsech posted:as always fish is the best shell it ends up with me hitting esc-p in bash, watching it switch to whatever goofy : mode it does with that, then figuring out some dumb piping way to remember what i typed a day ago
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gonadic io posted:Same but my company paid too much money for a mac. Now when I get home I'm always hitting alt-t in chrome and at work I hit cmd-h and instead of showing my history it minimises the window.
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JawnV6 posted:it ends up with me hitting esc-p in bash, watching it switch to whatever goofy : mode it does with that, then figuring out some dumb piping way to remember what i typed a day ago have you tried ctrl-r e: oh wait y'all are talking about vi modes instead of the standard straightforward settings aren't you
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Dec 1, 2015 19:38
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Sagacity posted:I work at a similar company and I installed karabiner to switch around alt and control (or option or whatever it's called) and now my Mac has similar shortcuts to my home PC. Too bad there are no apps that fully replicate the way you can move and snap windows using the keyboard. also with karabiner you can map caps to both control and esc - a single tap is interpreted as esc, press + hold is control.
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Sagacity posted:I work at a similar company and I installed karabiner to switch around alt and control (or option or whatever it's called) and now my Mac has similar shortcuts to my home PC. Too bad there are no apps that fully replicate the way you can move and snap windows using the keyboard. i've been using better snap tool and it's pretty good. there are some things it doesn't do, like where you can win+arrowkey to move a window all across all screens.
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Dec 1, 2015 19:42
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Soricidus posted:reminder that branding originally referred to having a bit of red-hot metal shoved into your face, and was a thing reserved for livestock and slaves Adtech isn't much different now tbh
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Dec 1, 2015 20:07
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Sagacity posted:I work at a similar company and I installed karabiner to switch around alt and control (or option or whatever it's called) and now my Mac has similar shortcuts to my home PC. Too bad there are no apps that fully replicate the way you can move and snap windows using the keyboard. On the other hand, the magic mouse is absolutely amazing (with the extension that allows you to ha e both mouse buttons pressed at once) and I'm bitterly disappointed with my logitec flat smart touch mouse thing for Windows. Honestly that mouse alone might be enough to switch my home use one day.
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current terrible programmer status: just moved teams at work, now in a "full stack" role. was working on some javascript last week, now working on a piece of a giant java codebase haven't use java in years, not since about the time i registered my account (2008 or so) and that was for a college class so welp intellij is the only thing saving my sorry rear end and i still look like the giant fuckin moron i am
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So I'm writing up a lil' angular app and i dunno how to do both pagination and filtering at the same time. i had the pagination set up with the ui angular bootstrap thing and it worked ok, but then the filter filter would only filter on the page being displayed instead of for the whole data set. like i had it set up so when a page would be displayed it would slice the data set and then do ng-repeat on the slice. so like <tr ng-repeat="user in slicedUsers | filter:query"> is there like some simple way to display only a slice of data but filter on the full set? all i can think of is putting all the data not on the displayed page into an invisible section of the page, but then it would still be invisible when filtered this would be super easy to do server side 
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Dec 1, 2015 20:31
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Soricidus posted:have you tried ctrl-r no im on default bash (haven't even installed git completion) but I don't want a "(reverse-i-search)`':" I want the last fuckin grep i used on the line or maybe it was the second and I can push the same keys to keep looking up
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Dec 1, 2015 21:05
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:tomorrow I will be officially employed at Red Hat as a full time salaried employee. "Applications Engineer" or something congratulations! this is pretty awesome. i've relied on a lot of (F)AE's and they're absolutely indispensable.
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JawnV6 posted:no im on default bash (haven't even installed git completion) but I don't want a "(reverse-i-search)`':" I want the last fuckin grep i used on the line or maybe it was the second and I can push the same keys to keep looking up ctrl-r, type "grep", then keep pressing ctrl-r to keep looking up
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eschaton posted:I think I've heard jwz suggested just embedding scheme48 but eich went all special snowflake about getting to be a language designer no, that was bullshit that crockford made up. eich was hired specifically to do scheme in the browser, but by the time the project actually got started management had gone all gung-ho on java and insisted on something that looked like it
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Plorkyeran posted:no, that was bullshit that crockford made up. eich was hired specifically to do scheme in the browser, but by the time the project actually got started management had gone all gung-ho on java and insisted on something that looked like it if only at that point he'd just done scheme with curly-brace m-exprs or something that functioned like java instead of just looking vaguely reminiscent of it or basically anything other than his own fancy experimental language that ignored all the lessons of scheme and java and just went and did whatever he thought would be cool, some prototype inheritance here, some arbitrary syntactic sugar there ...
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we were supposed to get scheme instead of javascript? ok fucjk this alternate timeline we're living in.
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do people unironically like lisp other than "there's some good stuff in here that may work in some specific situations"
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i use lisp to soothe my aspergers when it flares up, but java everywhere else. i bet its the same for other lisp enthusiasts
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Ludwig van Halen posted:this would be super easy to do server side welcome to front end development
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MeruFM posted:do people unironically like lisp other than "there's some good stuff in here that may work in some specific situations" i'm not going to say i would love browsers to embed scheme i am definitely going to say that it would have been better than javascript
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Mahatma Goonsay posted:Not really sure why they went with the ^, although it frees up = to actually mean equal. In a magic terminal the ^ actually looks like a little right arrow kinda like ->. I bet the languages forked at a time when ASCII was not quite so reliably implemented as it is today some Smalltalk dialects looked like they used _ for assignment because the original Smalltalk extended character set had ← at that code point, but most releases that came out of the Smalltalk-80 diaspora switched to := for assignment instead they'd also render the code point that maps to ^ in ASCII as ↑but that's a far more sensible substitution and one they didn't need to change (^ is used to return a value from a method in Smalltalk)
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JawnV6 posted:my big unix learning was on tcsh and I miss the history search. type a prefix, esc-p searches matches control-r might interest you
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i havent used scheme too much except fo rmessign around with racket a little bit, but it would own compared to javascript
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MeruFM posted:do people unironically like lisp other than "there's some good stuff in here that may work in some specific situations" I guess, same people also like Haskell because of its lax functors from a terminal bicategory
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eschaton posted:control-r might interest you already linked, it's a horrible flow and I hate it after a few hours of trying rather than "oh hey i used this before! shell, find the last instance of this prefix" it's "oh hey I used this before! lemme do a naive grep across the entire cmd instead of my known-good prefix, then once it's actually found do some OTHER chord to escape the weirdly captured terminal, THEN clean up any characters I put in before I remembered" esc-p is much lighter and ive stockholmed the worse search method
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fart simpson posted:i havent used scheme too much except fo rmessign around with racket a little bit, but it would own compared to javascript racket is quite a long way from scheme now, that's why they renamed it (it used to be called plt scheme) racket also owns period
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Merdifex posted:I guess, same people also like Haskell because of its lax functors from a terminal bicategory hey now, some of us like LISP without liking Haskell
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