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Sorin's got his own cooler group, why would he need this new one
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Fiend Computer posted:New card got spoiled today. I like that they made a card where the type of sleeve you play can actually matter.
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Dec 1, 2015 20:06
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All I'm saying is that this sounds like they're forming the Fairy Tail guild. (You get an emblem with: "If a creature your opponent controls would die, if that creature is cool and/or hot, gain control of that creature instead.") Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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Dec 1, 2015 20:14
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TheKingofSprings posted:Sorin's got his own cooler group, why would he need this new one Yeah, basically. I think it is pretty obvious that they're going for three groups of walkers. "The Kids": Chandra/Jace/Lili*/Gideon/Nissa/Kiora, "The Adults": Ajani/Elspeth/Garruk/Sarkhan/Koth, and "The Old Fucks with Issues": Sorin/Ugin/Nahiri/Ob Nix/Karn/Nicol Bolas (Yes, I know Lili is technically an old walker.)
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Dec 1, 2015 20:20
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Isn't there a "where's Sorin?" Subplot now? Like the Superfriends would call on him if they could. That and Nahiri's whereabouts might be covered in Shadows.
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Dec 1, 2015 20:29
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Angry Grimace posted:I'm pretty sure Liliana is joining that dumb group. Maybe not in Oath, but she's showing up sooner or later, despite the fact that Sorin explicitly makes more sense as the Black Planeswalker in that group. I feel like they're setting up for Liliana to die or undergo a large shift in character/base color, but that's probably reading much further into UR stories than is sane or reasonable. Maybe she will pop up in Innistrad 2?
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Dec 1, 2015 20:30
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C-Euro posted:I feel like they're setting up for Liliana to die or undergo a large shift in character/base color, but that's probably reading much further into UR stories than is sane or reasonable. Maybe she will pop up in Innistrad 2? It sounds like all of them are in everything now.
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Dec 1, 2015 20:46
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Jace needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time travel magic. Whenever Jace is's not in a story, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Jace"?
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Dec 1, 2015 21:05
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I think Lili will show up just because IIRC she has unfinished business with Grizzlebees.
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Dec 1, 2015 21:13
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These last few pages have made me thankful that I know nothing about the mtg storyline, and intend to keep it that way.
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Dec 1, 2015 21:20
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Mr. Peepers posted:I think Lili will show up just because IIRC she has unfinished business with Grizzlebees. Didn't she literally leave only a smoking crater and horrified demon onlookers at the Ashmouth
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Dec 1, 2015 21:26
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Didn't she literally leave only a smoking crater and horrified demon onlookers at the Ashmouth Yeah I'm pretty sure Grizzlebees is dead.
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Dec 1, 2015 21:34
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After reading last weeks Uncharted Realms, I wish now more than ever that that OGW promo art that has Jace, Gideon, Chandra, and Nissa all holding up their hands in solemn poses with their colors of magic glowing ended with a picture of Bobby Nixon doing the same thing, but his hand was flipping the bird
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Dec 1, 2015 21:56
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UberJew posted:It felt like it fit in pretty well with Sorin specifically on Innistrad Color is an attribute of power, not moral value. White is the color of cooperation, not altruism. Black is the color of sacrifice, not malevolence. Putting a manichaeist spin on the color wheel is simplistic pandering horseshit and totally marginalizes an enormous swath of the game's principal aesthetic. A person doing good things can be a detached loner who yearns to do good at a distance, a sneering bon vivant who lends a hand only because it suits his sense of whimsy, or an ambitious jackass who engages in philanthropy only to expand his loyalty base and personal glory, all without taking a step into white. And while they do seem to equivocate on this all the time, the Powers that Are have come out on numerous occasions saying that the color of people's mana doesn't need to match their hats and they've deliberately authored several prominent counterpoints to that fallacy. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I relate perfectly to Jace as I do in fact know everyone around me really is that simple and my real life was Ender's Game before I started going out with a chick literally thousands of years older than me who likes dead bodies. 
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Dec 1, 2015 22:00
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Mr. Peepers posted:I think Lili will show up just because IIRC she has unfinished business with Grizzlebees. He's dead as gently caress. Eikre posted:Color is an attribute of power, not moral value. White is the color of cooperation, not altruism. Black is the color of sacrifice, not malevolence. Putting a manichaeist spin on the color wheel is simplistic pandering horseshit and totally marginalizes an enormous swath of the game's principal aesthetic. A person doing good things can be a detached loner who yearns to do good at a distance, a sneering bon vivant who lends a hand only because it suits his sense of whimsy, or an ambitious jackass who engages in philanthropy only to expand his loyalty base and personal glory, all without taking a step into white. And while they do seem to equivocate on this all the time, the Powers that Are have come out on numerous occasions saying that the color of people's mana doesn't need to match their hats and they've deliberately authored several prominent counterpoints to that fallacy. The only time we ever got a different perspective on Sorin was that chapter recently where Jace found Ugin hanging out in his sanctum doing whatever. Ugin pretty much said that Sorin's actually quite selfish and self-motivated and his desire to stop the Eldrazi is simply due to his long perspective as a super ancient as gently caress vampire - he does stuff for the greater good because in the very long term it benefits him to not have the Eldrazi free to gently caress up every random plane. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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Dec 1, 2015 22:04
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Eikre posted:Color is an attribute of power, not moral value. White is the color of cooperation, not altruism. Black is the color of sacrifice, not malevolence. Putting a manichaeist spin on the color wheel is simplistic pandering horseshit and totally marginalizes an enormous swath of the game's principal aesthetic. A person doing good things can be a detached loner who yearns to do good at a distance, a sneering bon vivant who lends a hand only because it suits his sense of whimsy, or an ambitious jackass who engages in philanthropy only to expand his loyalty base and personal glory, all without taking a step into white. And while they do seem to equivocate on this all the time, the Powers that Are have come out on numerous occasions saying that the color of people's mana doesn't need to match their hats and they've deliberately authored several prominent counterpoints to that fallacy. I like red because it is fire
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Dec 1, 2015 22:12
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Angry Grimace posted:Ugin pretty much said that Sorin's actually quite selfish and self-motivated and his desire to stop the Eldrazi is simply due to his long perspective as a super ancient as gently caress vampire - he does stuff for the greater good because in the very long term it benefits him to not have the Eldrazi free to gently caress up every random plane. I particularly enjoy when they have him hate the storyline/other involved characters as much as I do. It's very relatable.
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Dec 1, 2015 22:17
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Yawgmoth posted:I really like that as a motivation, though. "Of course I'll help you seal the reality-eating horrors up! I like to continue existing after all." Sorin is actually the Magic Community's Collected Self-Insertion
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Dec 1, 2015 22:50
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The color wheel is exactly what the game designers and writers need it to be at any given time. Here is a white card with a 1BB cost.
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Dec 1, 2015 22:54
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Eikre posted:Color is an attribute of power, not moral value. White is the color of cooperation, not altruism. Black is the color of sacrifice, not malevolence. Putting a manichaeist spin on the color wheel is simplistic pandering horseshit and totally marginalizes an enormous swath of the game's principal aesthetic. A person doing good things can be a detached loner who yearns to do good at a distance, a sneering bon vivant who lends a hand only because it suits his sense of whimsy, or an ambitious jackass who engages in philanthropy only to expand his loyalty base and personal glory, all without taking a step into white. And while they do seem to equivocate on this all the time, the Powers that Are have come out on numerous occasions saying that the color of people's mana doesn't need to match their hats and they've deliberately authored several prominent counterpoints to that fallacy.  e:fb Ramos posted:The color wheel is exactly what the game designers and writers need it to be at any given time.
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Dec 1, 2015 22:55
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Ramos posted:The color wheel is exactly what the game designers and writers need it to be at any given time. I like how this doesn't set Maro off, but this does: 
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Dec 1, 2015 22:57
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Well one is supporting the flavor and a mechanical theme of the set while the other is just a random mythic in a core set. Legends also tend to get more wiggle room in general. It's a color bend for sure, but I don't think it's as big of a gotcha as you think it is.
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Dec 1, 2015 23:01
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That said while I was mostly laughing at the idea that the color wheel has any inherent value that must be arduously defended at all costs I was also laughing at the idea that Sorin setting up a heirarchal theocratic social structure headed by an unchanging immortal somehow isn't white when it has always been the color of both dictatorships and theocracy
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Dec 1, 2015 23:02
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Every colour should have (limited) access to everything anyways, it makes the game more interesting
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Dec 1, 2015 23:03
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UberJew posted:That said while I was mostly laughing at the idea that the color wheel has any inherent value that must be arduously defended at all costs I was also laughing at the idea that Sorin setting up a heirarchal theocratic social structure headed by an unchanging immortal somehow isn't white when it has always been the color of both dictatorships and theocracy The color wheel is Cool and Good, and your second counterpoint is valid.
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Dec 1, 2015 23:05
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TheKingofSprings posted:Every colour should have (limited) access to everything anyways, it makes the game more interesting Example, Mind Bomb. Very flavorful, but bad. I wish Blue had more really lovely kill spells, actually.
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Dec 1, 2015 23:07
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i love the smell of the color pie argument in the morning. it smells like dogmatism.
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Dec 1, 2015 23:07
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Count Bleck posted:Example, Mind Bomb. Very flavorful, but bad. Beast Within and Harmonize are what all off colour effects should strive for
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Dec 1, 2015 23:09
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black potus posted:i love the smell of the color pie argument in the morning. it smells like dogmatism. Hehe yup. It is important for any game design for factions / sides / teams to have identity. If black is the color that gets flying death touch then Hornet queen shouldn't exist. It could have been green or black but it shouldn't be available to both.
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Dec 1, 2015 23:13
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TheKingofSprings posted:Beast Within and Harmonize are what all off colour effects should strive for Green really does have the best off color poo poo. Shame one of those is from Planar Chaos and the other from New Phyrexia, The "Way Too 'Black' " set.
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Dec 1, 2015 23:13
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I think most white/black cards could be changed from one to the other with a flavour alteration and no-one would really notice
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BEFORE THE PYROMASTER A play in one act, by black potus Maro (at his dining table, ready for dessert): Ah! Color pie! My favorite. (he eats) Blue counterspells! White lifelink! Black removal! Green fatties! (abruptly stops, then does a dramatic spit take and throws the plate on the floor) WHAT'S THIS? RED CARD ADVANTAGE?!
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Drana could easily be a white card, a green card, or a black card with that effect. White certainly has the most of those type of effects though. Red, r/g, and r/g hybrid have also had similar effects but in much smaller numbers. But as a returning legendary black creature I am completely fine that she is still mono black.
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Dec 2, 2015 00:11
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Does Shaman of the Great Hunt count as mono red for that effect or are we counting it as Temur colors for the sake of its ability?
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Count Bleck posted:Does Shaman of the Great Hunt count as mono red for that effect or are we counting it as Temur colors for the sake of its ability? It's a Red creature with a Blue/Green ability. It's technically mono-colored unless you're playing Commander.
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Dec 2, 2015 00:18
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Ramos posted:The color wheel is exactly what the game designers and writers need it to be at any given time. We really need a pic similar to that of batman being all nine alignments. (Plz no Jace)
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Dec 2, 2015 00:42
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It's almost as though thinking in terms of the flavor of 'what does a vampire do' or 'what does a [light] priest do' gives rise to cooler outcomes than a hidebound allegiance to the color pie, even if said outcome still falls within the color pie slices in 90% of cases.
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Dec 2, 2015 00:50
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JerryLee posted:It's almost as though thinking in terms of the flavor of 'what does a vampire do' or 'what does a [light] priest do' gives rise to cooler outcomes than a hidebound allegiance to the color pie, even if said outcome still falls within the color pie slices in 90% of cases. agreed, killer bees are cool
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Dec 2, 2015 00:53
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Lottery of Babylon posted:agreed, killer bees are cool What makes killer bees green, though? While green does have spiders, which sometimes have deathtouch, I'm pretty sure deathtouch insects have been way more of a black thing over the course of the game. Black certainly gets all the scorpions.
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The Lord of Hats posted:What makes killer bees green, though? While green does have spiders, which sometimes have deathtouch, I'm pretty sure deathtouch insects have been way more of a black thing over the course of the game. Black certainly gets all the scorpions. If there's a card named "King of the Beasts" I would assume that card would be green since it fits in green's focus on nature. Hornet Queen is the master of all the hornets, which I feel is green. Also it being green is good for the cube ramp deck, and reanimator doesn't care what color it is, so it's better for the game's best format that Hornet Queen is green.
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