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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:It's not about "provoking ISIS" it's about painting Islam, and it's 1.3 billion followers world wide in a dumb poo poo light, idiot. Like saying "radical islamic terrorist" doesn't magically make oyur policy towards them change. It's just a dumb rear end talking point the right has came up with because they don't or can't admit that Obama is bombing the absolute gently caress out of them. Not to mention that the days before Paris at least one ISIS commander went on twitter and started bitching about how much the US was pushing their poo poo in with those air strikes. So much so that AQ openly mocked them for it.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Oh yes, no one respects the division between the executive and legislative like Obama* What are you talking about.
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euphronius posted:What are you talking about. He's trolling extremely poorly.
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The "why won't he say Islam" or whatever is just a back door jab at over-political correctness from the right. They believe that certain races and people are just evil and bad and the left is opening us up for weakness by not calling a spade a spade, and brother they ain't talking about shovels.Raskolnikov38 posted:He's trolling extremely poorly. He's actually trolling extremely well given the number of people that just. cant. help. themselves.
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Sorry I've been out of uspol for awhile. Will update my lists.
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Dec 3, 2015 22:49
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Joementum posted:We now move on to the Feinstein amendment. The motion is not agreed to 55-44, the amendment fails. We now move on to the Grassley (R-IA) which is an alternative to the Machin (D-WV) - Toomey (R-PA) amendment that provides background checks for gun purchases. The Grassley amendment does not do this, but criminalizes some forms of gun trafficking, allows military members to purchase guns in state, and removes funding for law enforcement agencies which are not enforcing immigration laws.
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Dec 3, 2015 22:51
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euphronius posted:What are you talking about. Basically, Obama is a tyrant for his immigration decisions, and rather than HURTING AMERICA letting in Mexican ISIS members, he should be a tyrant in making the Middle East a sheet of glass.
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Dec 3, 2015 22:52
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Is this an example of a "good" substantive post I should be aiming for? No. It's one calling out your bullshit for what it is, to get you to either stop, or contribute. The administration doesn't refuse to label things as terrorism or islamic terror. This narrative is false. The current administration waits until the facts are known to declare it terrorism to avoid the inevitable panic. Even George Bush was prudent in his attempts to avoid stirring up the mob to attack Muslim-Americans. TheDisreputableDog posted:Let's not provoke ISIS because they might... hate us more? The reason isn't about "provoking" ISIS. Nothing we do will prevent that. What the coalition is currently attempting to do is prevent increasing their recruitment via harsh treatment of Muslim citizens already living in our nations. Without that harsh treatment and islamophobia, their propaganda comes off as false. It dries up their recruitment numbers. Putting "Boots on the ground" in the colloquial sense (Invasion and infantry combat) would only increase civilian casualties (as proven by the Iraq war), Insurgencies (Iraq war), domestic casualties (Iraq war) and resentment of an occupying force. All of which increase ISIS's ability to recruit. Not to mention that the most effective means of counterterror, as proven by the past 15 years, is special operations raids and airstrikes (whether traditional or drone).
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Dec 3, 2015 22:54
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I think it's funny to see people claim that literal constant bombardment with bombs and missiles is "doing nothing" but saying the words "radical Islam" is a bold and brave stand that is sure to cow our enemies into submission. If only Obama was brave enough to speak the magical incantation, all of this terrorism would just go away!
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NippleFloss posted:I think it's funny to see people claim that literal constant bombardment with bombs and missiles is "doing nothing" but saying the words "radical Islam" is a bold and brave stand that is sure to cow our enemies into submission. Everyone knows you get rid of terrorism by deregulating finance and chanting "radical islam" three times. 
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Dec 3, 2015 22:57
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NippleFloss posted:I think it's funny to see people claim that literal constant bombardment with bombs and missiles is "doing nothing" but saying the words "radical Islam" is a bold and brave stand that is sure to cow our enemies into submission. for some reason the american bombing campaign isn't reported very broadly on fox and breitbart, and people don't connect the dots when notorious ISIS folks like Jihadi John get mysteriously blown up for reasons unknown 
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Dec 3, 2015 22:58
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the administration doesn't need to take any action, domestically, to protect americans from islamic terrorism because it's so rare Less people died in all the mass shooting between 1999-2013 than all the victims of 9/11
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Dec 3, 2015 22:59
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i mean it's not like actual irl leftists have been mad at obama for just bombing the poo poo out of the middle east with drones since january 21 2009
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Less people died in all the mass shooting between 1999-2013 than all the victims of 9/11 yeah but butthurt white people shoot themselves to the tune of 4 9/11s a year
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Dec 3, 2015 23:00
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foobardog posted:Basically, Obama is a tyrant for his immigration decisions, and rather than HURTING AMERICA letting in Mexican ISIS members, he should be a tyrant in making the Middle East a sheet of glass. I wouldn't put it quite that way, but he does hide behind congress when politically expedient and ignore them otherwise. I'm not a Harvard educated Constitutional lawyer so maybe I'm missing something though.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i mean it's not like actual irl leftists have been mad at obama for just bombing the poo poo out of the middle east with drones since january 21 2009 I like drones*. They tend to mean we don't have to send kids into the meat grinder that is the Middle East. We're bound and determined to kill someone, might as well do it with a robot in the sky. *Even if I don't like all the targets they've been cleared to fire on. Like weddings. I mean, weddings end right? you could maybe wait till the fucker leaves and blow up his car instead of catching innocents in the blast.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:04
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Less people died in all the mass shooting between 1999-2013 than all the victims of 9/11 Good news then, you might not have heard since you seem to think he's done nothing, but Obama has killed basically everyone responsible for that.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:05
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NippleFloss posted:Good news then, you might not have heard since you seem to think he's done nothing, but Obama has killed basically everyone responsible for that. george h w bush is still alive bro
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Dec 3, 2015 23:06
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Joementum posted:We now move on to the Grassley (R-IA) which is an alternative to the Machin (D-WV) - Toomey (R-PA) amendment that provides background checks for gun purchases. The Grassley amendment does not do this, but criminalizes some forms of gun trafficking, allows military members to purchase guns in state, and removes funding for law enforcement agencies which are not enforcing immigration laws. On the Grassley amendment, the motion is not agreed to 53-46, the amendment fails. We move on to the Manchin-Toomey amendment.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:08
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Talmonis posted:The reason isn't about "provoking" ISIS. Nothing we do will prevent that. What the coalition is currently attempting to do is prevent increasing their recruitment via harsh treatment of Muslim citizens already living in our nations. Without that harsh treatment and islamophobia, their propaganda comes off as false. It dries up their recruitment numbers. Putting "Boots on the ground" in the colloquial sense (Invasion and infantry combat) would only increase civilian casualties (as proven by the Iraq war), Insurgencies (Iraq war), domestic casualties (Iraq war) and resentment of an occupying force. All of which increase ISIS's ability to recruit. Not to mention that the most effective means of counterterror, as proven by the past 15 years, is special operations raids and airstrikes (whether traditional or drone). You are arguing the drone program is a good thing that prevents people from hating us and decreases ISIS recruitment. Do I have that right?
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Dec 3, 2015 23:10
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Obama says "radical islam" however what he needed to address was "Radical Islam" thus his statement was meaningless. ISIS sits back, laughs, and continues flourinating our water.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:11
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TheDisreputableDog posted:You are arguing the drone program is a good thing that prevents people from hating us and decreases ISIS recruitment. It's a better alternative than boots on the loving ground, yes. And when I say "boots on the loving ground" I mean regular infantry and not special forces and poo poo that have been "on the ground" for a while now.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:13
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TheDisreputableDog posted:You are arguing the drone program is a good thing that prevents people from hating us and decreases ISIS recruitment. Compared to an occupation force, yes. Personally, I'd only use it on troop formations.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:14
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zoux posted:
Everybody knows the true test of Jew cred is how many times you've seen Fiddler.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:15
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ChickenRiceNPeas posted:Everybody knows the true test of Jew cred is how many times you've seen Fiddler. No one even remembers the Hebrew Hammer anymore. 
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Dec 3, 2015 23:16
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Joementum posted:We now move on to the Cornyn (R-TX) alternative to the Feinstein (D-CA) amendment. Feinstein's amendment prohibits people on the terror watchlist from buying guns. Cornyn's version instead adds a 72 hour delay to the purchase. 
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Dec 3, 2015 23:19
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Joementum posted:The amendment fails 47-52. that will probaly be voted down too.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:20
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Dapper_Swindler posted:that will probaly be voted down too. They both were.
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A Winner is Jew posted:No one even remembers the Hebrew Hammer anymore. I remember.
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Joementum posted:They both were. wow. gently caress everything.
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So on a slightly different topic, apparently the primaries this year aren't scheduled to start until February. Why is that? IIRC in 2012 they started in the first or second week of February.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:24
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Why do Republicans want to let terrorists buy guns in the US? I'm guessing because terrorist attacks help GOP election chances?
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Anything involving using the no-fly list is tantamount to extra judicial banning of minorities from having weapons and rightly should be voted down.
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Sir Tonk posted:
What an absolute piece of poo poo. It was absolutely there. I saw it myself on his twitter feed, and his account is currently suspended. http://www.dailydot.com/politics/george-zimmerman-ex-nudes-revenge-porn/ I like that he's going with the "no nips = doesn't count" definition of "nude".
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Radbot posted:Why do Republicans want to let terrorists buy guns in the US? I'm guessing because terrorist attacks help GOP election chances? You joke but... Water Boy posted:"I obviously am not happy about the events that happened last week in Paris, but I think it's a positive development that it suddenly has forced Americans to confront more carefully the issue of national security."
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Dec 3, 2015 23:27
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Epic High Five posted:Anything involving using the no-fly list is tantamount to extra judicial banning of minorities from having weapons and rightly should be voted down. This is absolutely true, but it's funny that they spread the fear of terrorists yet don't believe in keeping anyone suspected of terrorism from even delaying the purchase of guns.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:30
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euphronius posted:Hey remember when Obama asked congress for a war dec against Isis and they told him to gently caress off? http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/the-war-against-isis-will-go-undeclared/390618/ Executive leadership is forcing Congress to do what is right when they refuse to. In that regard, Obama lacks any sense of executive leadership
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:This is absolutely true, but it's funny that they spread the fear of terrorists yet don't believe in keeping anyone suspected of terrorism from even delaying the purchase of guns. I don't have the link here at work apparently but imagine I posted the image breakdown from yesterday of the guy calling out all the senators sending their prayers with how much money they took from the NRA to do nothing
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:This is absolutely true, but it's funny that they spread the fear of terrorists yet don't believe in keeping anyone suspected of terrorism from even delaying the purchase of guns. Well, it was the Democrats who voted down the delay proposal.
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