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Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself

Wow, that rising rate is very disturbing.

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Unzip and Attack
Mar 3, 2008

USPOL May

My Imaginary GF posted:

No.

The Bush admin was loving crazy for the same reason as the Adams' administration: NEVER SELECT A VEEP WHOSE POWERBASE CAN AND WILL OPERATE INDEPENDENT OF YOUR ADMINISTRATION'S AGENDA

Why am I not surprised that you have no loving idea what you are talking about?

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax
Jesus Christ MIGF do you know nothing of government history?

Vice President went to whoever got second place in the election (in this case Thomas Jefferson) until the twelfth amendment.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

TheDisreputableDog posted:

Looking a forward to the presser where the media and Repubican candidates take Obamas ire while he carefully dances around offending Islamists

So like are you just going to ignore all the air strikes we have done against ISIS or what.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER
MIGF is an idiot/troll who knows nothing and views everything through a hosed up lens of toxic-masculinity faux-Chicagoan bullshit.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

TheDisreputableDog posted:

while [Obama] carefully dances around offending Islamists

https://vine.co/v/iWEKad3MhLP
https://vine.co/v/iWEZgl2xYqL

Too Shy Guy
Jun 14, 2003


I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.



mcmagic posted:

Trump isn't talking out of his rear end. He's targeting a specific voter and he's great at it.



WaPo has plenty more yooge & luxurious charts to enjoy.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

This would seem to indicate that Trump does not have Tea Party support, since they are usually more well educated.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'



Could they not find a Bush supporter to give a data point?

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Bush is still a 0 on that chart

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos
this could have all been avoided if they jut had a holiday party instead.

DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.

computer parts posted:

This would seem to indicate that Trump does not have Tea Party support, since they are usually more well educated.

I always figured the higher up in the totem pole of the Tea Party were more well educated and the more rank and file/screaming bloody rage members tended toward uneducated poor white people.

Alien Arcana
Feb 14, 2012

You're related to soup, Admiral.

nachos posted:

Bush is still a 0 on that chart

Aerox
Jan 8, 2012
Right when I was getting out of my car for work just now, NPR reported that investigators uncovered a social media post from Tashfeen Malik (the wife) very soon before the shooting occurred where she pledged allegiance to the Islamic State.

Edit: Updated with the link. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/04/458464907/alleged-san-bernardino-attacker-pledged-allegiance-to-isis

Aerox fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Dec 4, 2015

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

DeathSandwich posted:

I always figured the higher up in the totem pole of the Tea Party were more well educated and the more rank and file/screaming bloody rage members tended toward uneducated poor white people.

Nope, like the actual protesters are usually college educated.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

The New York Times figured out the Zuckerberg thing: it's an elaborate tax dodge and PR machine.

quote:

So what are the tax implications? They are quite generous to Mr. Zuckerberg. I asked Victor Fleischer, a law professor and tax specialist at the University of San Diego School of Law, as well as a contributor to DealBook. He explained that if the L.L.C. sold stock, Mr. Zuckerberg would pay a hefty capital gains tax, particularly if Facebook stock kept climbing.

If the L.L.C. donated to a charity, he would get a deduction just like anyone else. That’s a nice little bonus. But the L.L.C. probably won’t do that because it can do better. The savvier move, Professor Fleischer explained, would be to have the L.L.C. donate the appreciated shares to charity, which would generate a deduction at fair market value of the stock without triggering any tax.

Mr. Zuckerberg didn’t create these tax laws and cannot be criticized for minimizing his tax bills. If he had created a foundation, he would have accrued similar tax benefits. But what this means is that he amassed one of the greatest fortunes in the world — and is likely never to pay any taxes on it. Anytime a superwealthy plutocrat makes a charitable donation, the public ought to be reminded that this is how our tax system works. The superwealthy buy great public relations and adulation for donations that minimize their taxes.

Pervis
Jan 12, 2001

YOSPOS

Lyapunov Unstable posted:

I mean really, was the daily mass shooting that much more important than reconstituting every congressional district in the country

Next Tuesday the case will be argued in front of SCOTUS, so it's not all that long to wait to see how that plays out.

Since I went looking for it and took a while to find it, it's the case about changing districts to having equal size of voting populating rather than total population. Last post to the SCOTUS thread was in early October, so it's not clear if this one is on the radar as a major case.
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/evenwel-v-abbott/ for the curious.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

TheDisreputableDog posted:

Oh I guess it was ISIS after all.

Yes a single report that the guy used a Facebook alias to like an ISIS page sure means he's a sleeper cell

Dude had virtually no digital life to speak of.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Shifty Pony posted:

Could they not find a Bush supporter to give a data point?

On my phone so I could be wrong, but it looks like those bars are net. So if Bush had an even split, he'd show as zero

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

FCKGW posted:

Yes a single report that the guy used a Facebook alias to like an ISIS page sure means he's a sleeper cell

Dude had virtually no digital life to speak of.

Sorry, but Trump's gonna have to kill a six-month-old baby. The latest news is that Malik, the wife, pledged allegiance to ISIS in an online posting in the lead up to the attack.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Luigi Thirty posted:

The New York Times figured out the Zuckerberg thing: it's an elaborate tax dodge and PR machine.

Half right. The company has a mandate to invest in long term structural endeavors. As in, instead of putting money in Coca-Cola, it puts it in textbook manufacturers, water treatment enterprises, and the like.

It will likely see less returns than just dropping it in a wide market index fund would, but it should still be able to beat taxes and losses. More to the point, what it then owns are the things that do not go away. Sears is looking like it finally might give up the ghost, but the companies it uses to do its distribution and logistics are not, because ultimately everyone needs to get things from here to there. This organization will be (from what we know now) ignoring the former and grabbing parts of the latter.

This isn't a tax dodge and PR grab, this is a long run hereditary wealth protection, meant so that his descendants are the upper crust many generations out, just like the nobility of old. It is the modern version of having the keep on the river, where a thousand years later you can still trace back the bloodlines if world leaders to those barons, because they made sure to control the things necessary for society instead of what is presently hot.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

ComradeCosmobot posted:

Sorry, but Trump's gonna have to kill a six-month-old baby.

Jeb! would also do this.

Fix
Jul 26, 2005

NEWT THE MOON

Joementum posted:

Jeb! would also do this.

Sure, but he'd go back in time 4 months to have a fighting chance.

Which is pretty much Jeb in a nutshell.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Fried Chicken posted:

Half right. The company has a mandate to invest in long term structural endeavors. As in, instead of putting money in Coca-Cola, it puts it in textbook manufacturers, water treatment enterprises, and the like.

It will likely see less returns than just dropping it in a wide market index fund would, but it should still be able to beat taxes and losses. More to the point, what it then owns are the things that do not go away. Sears is looking like it finally might give up the ghost, but the companies it uses to do its distribution and logistics are not, because ultimately everyone needs to get things from here to there. This organization will be (from what we know now) ignoring the former and grabbing parts of the latter.

This isn't a tax dodge and PR grab, this is a long run hereditary wealth protection, meant so that his descendants are the upper crust many generations out, just like the nobility of old. It is the modern version of having the keep on the river, where a thousand years later you can still trace back the bloodlines if world leaders to those barons, because they made sure to control the things necessary for society instead of what is presently hot.

I'm sure all those projects are going to work out just as well as the clusterfuck that was his Newark School donation for his pals Cory Booker and Chris Christie.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Fried Chicken posted:

Half right. The company has a mandate to invest in long term structural endeavors. As in, instead of putting money in Coca-Cola, it puts it in textbook manufacturers, water treatment enterprises, and the like.

It will likely see less returns than just dropping it in a wide market index fund would, but it should still be able to beat taxes and losses. More to the point, what it then owns are the things that do not go away. Sears is looking like it finally might give up the ghost, but the companies it uses to do its distribution and logistics are not, because ultimately everyone needs to get things from here to there. This organization will be (from what we know now) ignoring the former and grabbing parts of the latter.

This isn't a tax dodge and PR grab, this is a long run hereditary wealth protection, meant so that his descendants are the upper crust many generations out, just like the nobility of old. It is the modern version of having the keep on the river, where a thousand years later you can still trace back the bloodlines if world leaders to those barons, because they made sure to control the things necessary for society instead of what is presently hot.

It is also a tax dodge, since that vast wealth will never be taxed because of this. But yes, this is also supposed to help his progeny have every advantage possible relative to the rest of us.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

FCKGW posted:

Yes a single report that the guy used a Facebook alias to like an ISIS page sure means he's a sleeper cell

Dude had virtually no digital life to speak of.


"Sure, they deleted all their email accounts the day before the attack, wiped and smashed their hard drives, but maybe he just snapped at the party. It's still too soon to really say either way. We just don't have any solid clues yet."

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

mcmagic posted:

I'm sure all those projects are going to work out just as well as the clusterfuck that was his Newark School donation for his pals Cory Booker and Chris Christie.
That was to deflect negative publicity from the release of the Social Network.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

TheDisreputableDog posted:

"Sure, they deleted all their email accounts the day before the attack, wiped and smashed their hard drives, but maybe he just snapped at the party. It's still too soon to really say either way. We just don't have any solid clues yet."

I too can write fanfiction!

Not that it matters, because it's pretty clear you only care about a shooters motivations when they're non-white, non-christians. Perhaps there's a deeper reason for this.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

I too can write fanfiction!

Please don't.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

I too can write fanfiction!

Sadly no, they actually did those things

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/3/syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-erased-digital-footprin/


quote:

Not that it matters, because it's pretty clear you only care about a shooters motivations when they're non-white, non-christians. Perhaps there's a deeper reason for this.

Lol how insecure are your political positions that no one can critique them without reaching for the big shiny RACISM button.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

So the police let MSNBC into the apartment and they're rifling through the bathroom while the FBI contact says it's an active closed crime scene :wtc:

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Trabisnikof posted:

It is also a tax dodge, since that vast wealth will never be taxed because of this. But yes, this is also supposed to help his progeny have every advantage possible relative to the rest of us.

Right, I didn't mean it wasn't a tax dodge and a PR stunt, just that is is those things AND ALSO a grab at securing control for as many permanent facets of society as possible

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

TheDisreputableDog posted:

"Sure, they deleted all their email accounts the day before the attack, wiped and smashed their hard drives, but maybe he just snapped at the party. It's still too soon to really say either way. We just don't have any solid clues yet."

So is this workplace shooting unique in the fact that it was planned ahead of time? Are they usually completely spur of the moment things? Did it interrupt their planning for an actual terror attack?

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

So apparently the news media is touring the shooters' apartment and flipping through their family photo albums on live TV. Great work guys, stellar journalism going on right here.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

TheDisreputableDog posted:

Sadly no, they actually did those things

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/3/syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-erased-digital-footprin/


Lol how insecure are your political positions that no one can critique them without reaching for the big shiny RACISM button.

Of course you know the Washington Times isn't exactly the most credible source, but who cares about credibility when discussing highly politicized fast breaking news?

baw
Nov 5, 2008

RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY

Oracle posted:

That was to deflect negative publicity from the release of the Social Network.

This book says otherwise

quote:

There was a complication, however. Another movie was scheduled to debut the same weekend: The Social Network, Aaron Sorkin’s fic­tionalized account of the founding of Facebook in which, it was al­ready well known, Zuckerberg came off as an arrogant boy genius who betrayed a trusting friend on his way to fame and fortune. There was plenty of anxiety at Facebook headquarters about the potential of the movie, sure to be a box office blowout, to tarnish the compa­ny’s brand. Facebook’s communications team flatly advised Zuckerberg not to make such an attention-grabbing gesture of generosity just when The Social Network hit theaters. It would probably be criticized as a $100 million damage-control stunt, not seen as a bold and selfless commitment to a better tomorrow for children, senior advisers told him. Zuckerberg asked Booker, Christie, and Winfrey for a postpone­ment, but they were determined to go ahead, largely because Booker wanted to use the marketing campaign for Waiting for Superman as a catalyst for raising the second $100 million. Zuckerberg said he then proposed making the gift anonymously.

I know everything sucks and nothing is good in the world, but maybe, just maybe, he is trying to do some good.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Luigi Thirty posted:

So the police let MSNBC into the apartment and they're rifling through the bathroom while the FBI contact says it's an active closed crime scene :wtc:

What the gently caress

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

Luigi Thirty posted:

So the police let MSNBC into the apartment and they're rifling through the bathroom while the FBI contact says it's an active closed crime scene :wtc:

Rhesus Pieces posted:

So apparently the news media is touring the shooters' apartment and flipping through their family photo albums on live TV. Great work guys, stellar journalism going on right here.

media circus is GO

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big business man
Sep 30, 2012

fknlo posted:

So is this workplace shooting unique in the fact that it was planned ahead of time? Are they usually completely spur of the moment things? Did it interrupt their planning for an actual terror attack?

quote:

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) — The woman who helped her husband kill 14 people at a holiday banquet for his county co-workers pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group and its leader on Facebook using an alias, then deleted the messages before the attack, a U.S. law enforcement official said Friday, providing the strongest evidence to date that the rampage may have been a terrorist attack.

It's becoming pretty clear that the attack wasn't just a workplace shooting.

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