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Antti posted:Can you walk into a store in any state in the US and buy dynamite without any background checks or licensing? Honest question. Don't think so, but up until the Oklahoma City Bombing you could buy all the ammonia nitrate you wanted without anyone batting an eye.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Marco Rubio is not a smart man. You don't have to look smart if you aren't trying to appeal to smart people.
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Dec 5, 2015 00:15
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Gravel Gravy posted:No Yeah, dynamite was just the first example I could think of - basically, buying explosives (or materials that can be trivially turned into an explosive). But I would not have been terribly surprised to hear the answer as "yes."
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Dec 5, 2015 00:15
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Anyone know if the government is going to shut down next week?
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Dec 5, 2015 00:16
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sullat posted:Anyone know if the government is going to shut down next week? If you knew that you could make a return on Predictit better than the stock market right now.
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Dec 5, 2015 00:19
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Antti posted:Yeah, dynamite was just the first example I could think of - basically, buying explosives (or materials that can be trivially turned into an explosive). You can't buy explosives easily in the USA, except maybe black powder. But with internet access and about 10 minutes you can figure out how to build one and order the materials. The Oklahoma City bomb was basically diesel fuel and fertilizer.
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Dec 5, 2015 00:20
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Antti posted:Yeah, dynamite was just the first example I could think of - basically, buying explosives (or materials that can be trivially turned into an explosive). After the Oklahoma bombing you got checked out by the Feds if you purchased a certain amount of fertilizer. Guns though 
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Dec 5, 2015 00:20
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Gravel Gravy posted:After the Oklahoma bombing you got checked out by the Feds if you purchased a certain amount of fertilizer. Can I purchase fertilizer if I'm on the terrorist watch list?
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Dec 5, 2015 00:25
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Well if they did track ammo purchases or anything like that then all it would show is a majority of white people gearing up for the "race war" they think will happen. Just like congress buried that whole " Hey, guys Racist White Supremacy Groups are Growing since Obama was Elected" FBI report thing.
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Dec 5, 2015 00:25
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Some microphone mis-management by the Speaker and a speech from spaceman Bill in this week's hits and misses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NowqY86U-0k
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Dec 5, 2015 00:26
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Sydin posted:Can I purchase fertilizer if I'm on the terrorist watch list? Are we speaking hypothetically or are you asking for a friend?
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Dec 5, 2015 00:31
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Xae posted:They walked into someone's house, which they had no right to enter, then started rummaging through their things. Possibly removing some of them. I know you're really concerned about terrorist's property rights, but I think a landlord can go into his own unit if the tenants are dead. Heck, I'm pretty sure there are circumstances where he can do it while their alive.
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Dec 5, 2015 00:32
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spacetoaster posted:I know you're really concerned about terrorist's property rights, but I think a landlord can go into his own unit if the tenants are dead. Heck, I'm pretty sure there are circumstances where he can do it while their alive. Hell those Weekend at Bernie kids threw a drat party! Twice
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Dec 5, 2015 00:33
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Joementum posted:Some microphone mis-management by the Speaker and a speech from spaceman Bill in this week's hits and misses. lol, When did Paul Ryan get a beard? I thought he was shooting for the Young Gun look.
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Dec 5, 2015 00:35
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Sydin posted:Can I purchase fertilizer if I'm on the terrorist watch list? They certainly pay attention to that purchase, that's for sure. That might even be enough to get a warrant to tap your phones, monitor your Internet traffic, etc.
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Dec 5, 2015 00:47
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Thump! posted:lol, When did Paul Ryan get a beard? I thought he was shooting for the Young Gun look. Well, that beard does kind of say "hit puberty over the summer and came back to school with a poor excuse for a beard."
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Dec 5, 2015 00:50
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Jesus, MSNBC. All they and CNN have to do to be better than Fox is refrain from being a cesspool of filth and hatred, and yet they keep finding new ways to suck.
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Dec 5, 2015 00:52
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Dr Christmas posted:Jesus, MSNBC. All they and CNN have to do to be better than Fox is refrain from being a cesspool of filth and hatred They tried that and got crushed in the ratings.
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Dec 5, 2015 01:00
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Thump! posted:lol, When did Paul Ryan get a beard? I thought he was shooting for the Young Gun look. Maybe he grew it for Movember and decided to keep it. If so that's a pretty lovely beard for a month's growth.
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Dec 5, 2015 01:04
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When money is your primary goal, factual reporting and human decency go out the window. Its all about whatever you can do to increase that view count.
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spacetoaster posted:I know you're really concerned about terrorist's property rights, but I think a landlord can go into his own unit if the tenants are dead. Heck, I'm pretty sure there are circumstances where he can do it while their alive. On mobile so can't link to evidence, but A) rooting for violating rights because terrorism makes you look great keep it up B) landlords don't have that right even if they're dead under CA tenancy law for exactly the reason this happened (relatives have valuable items and documents inside) and C) pretty sure this was actually still a San Bernardino PD crime scene, they just completely hosed up. Also continuing doubts whether the FBI did a good job in securing evidence, CNN's LEO consultant was going nuts on air because he didn't see any dusting for fingerprints prior to the media frenzy and that's contaminated; loads of personal documents and shredded material were also seen on air that were apparently never shipped back to Quantico. Combed Thunderclap fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Dec 5, 2015 |
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Dec 5, 2015 01:10
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ComradeCosmobot posted:And then not two sentences later: "She described her husband as very outspoken about Islamic terrorism, with strong conservative politics." What does this have to do with him being shot. People are assholes everyday and it's still not legal to shoot them, much less a room full of people over it
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Dec 5, 2015 01:14
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:What does this have to do with him being shot. People are assholes everyday and it's still not legal to shoot them, much less a room full of people over it
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Dec 5, 2015 01:17
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Odds are the decision of what to do with the apartment would've fallen to the grandmother as per tenant laws. Want to know if she had POA? Helpfully you know exactly where to find her to ask her now thanks to crack reporters on the scene. I wonder how many credit card applications that poor woman has on her record now
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Dec 5, 2015 01:18
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:What does this have to do with him being shot. People are assholes everyday and it's still not legal to shoot them, much less a room full of people over it Motive for the shooting? I mean yeah, being gunned down because you're a huge rear end in a top hat is still hosed up and wrong and obviously illegal, but being a huge rear end in a top hat means you're probably more likely to set someone off. Basically we should all follow the divine words of Bill S. Preston Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan, "Be excellent to each other."
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Dec 5, 2015 01:18
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A Winner is Jew posted:Motive for the shooting? I thought that they had been stockpiling guns and ammo for a while. I guess it could be a combination terrorism/workplace violence, it's just weird that that much preparation would have gone into it. But then I remember killdozer
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Dec 5, 2015 01:19
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:What does this have to do with him being shot. People are assholes everyday and it's still not legal to shoot them, much less a room full of people over it I don't think anyone is excusing murder, if that's your implication. But if you think that a consistent stream of hate speech directed at a person or group in a manner that is frankly, according to everything I've seen about this incident, tacitly approved of by a number of people in public, isn't likely to incite even a single person to violence, you've got another thing coming.
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Dec 5, 2015 01:20
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Toshimo posted:I don't think anyone is excusing murder, if that's your implication. No, I just think someone saying inappropriate things at work is more of an hr issue than a shooting issue?
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:No, I just think someone saying inappropriate things at work is more of an hr issue than a shooting issue? No one is arguing with this inane and self-evident assertion.
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Unzip and Attack posted:No one is arguing with this inane and self-evident assertion. I'm sorry that you are unable to read? quote:But if you think that a consistent stream of hate speech directed at a person or group in a manner that is frankly, according to everything I've seen about this incident, tacitly approved of by a number of people in public, isn't likely to incite even a single person to violence, you've got another thing coming.
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:No, I just think someone saying inappropriate things at work is more of an hr issue than a shooting issue? What if HR doesn't give a poo poo? I mean the Columbine kids were bullied extensively without anyone stepping in so it's not like that's unheard of when it comes to mass shootings. I mean yeah they were also insane but I'm sure the bullying didn't help.
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:No, I just think someone saying inappropriate things at work is more of an hr issue than a shooting issue? When the public narrative of the entire country you live in has shifted to an indictment of a significant portion of its populace based on the color of their skin and the sky wizard they choose to pray to, to the point where constant harassment and hate speech are condoned by multiple people running for the highest office in the land AND THEY ARE THE FRONTRUNNERS OF A MAJOR PARTY maybe it's a bit beyond HR?
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Toshimo posted:When the public narrative of the entire country you live in has shifted to an indictment of a significant portion of its populace based on the color of their skin and the sky wizard they choose to pray to, to the point where constant harassment and hate speech are condoned by multiple people running for the highest office in the land AND THEY ARE THE FRONTRUNNERS OF A MAJOR PARTY maybe it's a bit beyond HR? Yeah, this is really gross I'm done. Similar logic could be used to justify the planned parenthood shootings and I'm not okay with it
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A Winner is Jew posted:What if HR doesn't give a poo poo? well then you obviously declare your adherence to a group that is big into torture, sex slavery, and mass executions and shoot up everyone in your office also that actually isn't what happened at Columbine at all, but lets keep on victim blaming while insisting that isn't what we were doing if they'd only had more progressive opinions this tragedy could have been avoided
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Unzip and Attack posted:No one is arguing with this inane and self-evident assertion. Nor is anyone actually arguing a point I saw read earlier: that the chances of being shot mean that freedom of speech should be restricted to avoid offending people. What people are trying to argue is that being diplomatic rather than being an argumentative, arguably hateful, hothead goes a lot further towards resolving these disputes peacefully rather than in a bloodbath.
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I hope this leads to increased scrutiny of all persons stockpiling massive amounts of guns and ammo because that's pretty much the main link between all these attacks and lord knows nothing else will be done that is good as a result. Also, I work on and live near a college campus, a big one. I often have to remind people that there's like a 0% chance that it's going to be a radical jihadi that busts in and guns us down if it happens, but rather it's almost certainly going to be a white supremacist who snaps because he saw a woman in a hijab. It helped my point, unfortunately, when it literally happened here that a dude snapped after seeing a hijab and beat the poo poo out of a Muslim lady at a cafe. I've been pretty touch and go with this. Trying to wrap my head around it is making sobriety a lot more difficult. Something good will happen from this, it has to.
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:I'm sorry that you are unable to read? I think you should re-read the statement you quoted. No one is saying the alleged douchery of the murder victim in any way justifies the murder. What people are saying is that it establishes a potential motive for the killings. If you can't understand the difference there, then no one can help you.
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Jesus, I heard it was bad but I didn't realize that reporters were literally picking their way through documents. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi89meqLyIo
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Unzip and Attack posted:I think you should re-read the statement you quoted. No one is saying the alleged douchery of the murder victim in any way justifies the murder. What people are saying is that it establishes a potential motive for the killings. If you can't understand the difference there, then no one can help you. Toshimo posted:When the public narrative of the entire country you live in has shifted to an indictment of a significant portion of its populace based on the color of their skin and the sky wizard they choose to pray to, to the point where constant harassment and hate speech are condoned by multiple people running for the highest office in the land AND THEY ARE THE FRONTRUNNERS OF A MAJOR PARTY maybe it's a bit beyond HR? ???
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:Yeah, this is really gross I'm done. Similar logic could be used to justify the planned parenthood shootings and I'm not okay with it I don't even get what you are arguing. It's pretty simple. Murder isn't ok. Neither is the fact that we, as a county, are persecuting a portion of the population. When people get mercilessly attacked at home, at work, in the news, by the politicians that supposedly represent them, yeah, the most unhinged and desperate are going to turn to violence. So maybe everyone should be less lovely to each other as a start. Maybe this rear end in a top hat who was picking fights on Facebook and while IN THE OFFICE WHILE OTHERS LISTENED ON THE PHONE shouldn't have done that. I'm not suggesting in the slightest that we can point at him and pin it on him. I'm just saying maybe EVERYONE BEING lovely SHOULD TONE DOWN THEIR RHETORIC. Not because it will prevent incidents like this, it probably won't. But because maybe we should just not be lovely to each other.
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