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graynull
Dec 2, 2005

Did I misread all the signs?
What the gently caress is the deal with the pill/rune/card voice overs now? They worked on launch, now they only work about 30% of the time and sometimes several seconds or even rooms later. There have been several patches since it has broken, and I guess since they aren't game developers they don't really give a poo poo? Either turn them on or off, but don't leave the poo poo all busted for several patches.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
It's not broken, they're supposed to rarely play instead of every time.

edit: Although, despite that being the intended functionality, it still might be bugged anyway if they're playing several seconds after the fact.

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Ariong posted:

This cannot be overstated. As long as you don't move you will almost certainly not be hit.

Anecdotally, not really unless you're really lucky or I'm really unlucky. Whenever I try this the continuum in a changed direction always nails me.

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


CJacobs posted:

It's not broken, they're supposed to rarely play instead of every time.

edit: Although, despite that being the intended functionality, it still might be bugged anyway if they're playing several seconds after the fact.

Yeah, sometimes the voices are several seconds delayed.

Waffle!
Aug 6, 2004

I Feel Pretty!


I know I defended Eve for Greed Mode, but trying to do a Hush run with her is making me salty as gently caress. I never have enough health!

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



trade all your red hearts away and become a soul heart factory

AntiPseudonym
Apr 1, 2007
I EAT BABIES

:dukedog:
Okay, finally finished Speed! this morning after spending almost all of yesterday on it, jesus christ. At least they had the sense to speed Isaac up a bit, last time I tried it (Before one of the recent patches) you used to walk at normal speed which made bosses like Gemini pretty much impossible. Although even with that buff, it still comes down to luck more than anything else. Getting an overpowered build that can make mincemeat of enemies is pretty much required, I only ended up making it with a combination of Ipecac and Tech-X, which gave me super-powerful laser rings that didn't run the risk of exploding in my face.

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

graynull posted:

What the gently caress is the deal with the pill/rune/card voice overs now? They worked on launch, now they only work about 30% of the time and sometimes several seconds or even rooms later. There have been several patches since it has broken, and I guess since they aren't game developers they don't really give a poo poo? Either turn them on or off, but don't leave the poo poo all busted for several patches.

People rightfully got tired of them playing every single time, so they made them only play once in a while. I've not seen anyone else upset about it.

I'm only upset that the VO artist doesn't read the Rules Tip card. That alone would justify it being in the game for me.

wyoming
Jun 7, 2010

Like a television
tuned to a dead channel.
Missing poster on the first floor, went all the way to the dark room, not a single sacrifice room.
:negative:

AntiPseudonym
Apr 1, 2007
I EAT BABIES

:dukedog:
Is it me, or have they really nerfed the Slot Machine payouts? I used to be able to get a dollar about 90% of the time (As a matter of fact it was rare for it to explode without giving me a dollar), and I don't think I've seen a dollar once since I got Afterbirth.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

AntiPseudonym posted:

Is it me, or have they really nerfed the Slot Machine payouts? I used to be able to get a dollar about 90% of the time (As a matter of fact it was rare for it to explode without giving me a dollar), and I don't think I've seen a dollar once since I got Afterbirth.

Are you playing on Hard Mode? It makes slot machines have a 50% chance to force a payout to give you nothing.

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

AntiPseudonym posted:

Is it me, or have they really nerfed the Slot Machine payouts? I used to be able to get a dollar about 90% of the time (As a matter of fact it was rare for it to explode without giving me a dollar), and I don't think I've seen a dollar once since I got Afterbirth.

I also haven't seen a regular dollar drop since Afterbirth. I wouldn't be surprised if they took it out of the pool like the Skatole, just because of Greed mode instead of Hush.

Wrist Watch
Apr 19, 2011

What?

Power of Pecota posted:

I wouldn't be surprised if they took it out of the pool like the Skatole

Wait, what? Does the shell game not have Skatole as a prize anymore?

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
I've seen A Dollar drop in one of my runs, so it definitely didn't get taken out. Not sure about Skatole, but I've seen it offered as a prize a few times (I just never won it)

bare bottom pancakes
Sep 3, 2015

Production: Complete
I've gotten a Skatole once, and I've seen it offered several times. Maybe it's just really rare now.

edit: I also got a dollar just on my last run.

Logan 5
Jan 29, 2007

Bash -> To the Cop
I just finished up all my completion marks by beating Mega Satan with the Lost, with less-than-starting damage homing triple shot tech X on my last Dead Cat life.

That being said, is the Guardian challenge even loving possible? Who even designed this poo poo? It isn't merely insanely difficult, that I could maybe deal with. Its more just a pray to god you get loving lucky with loads of health all the time and that your stupid punching bag doesn't walk into poo poo and get itself killed asap.

I may be experiencing some rage at how unfair and unfun this challenge is compared to the rest of the game. I mean, at least with the other nerfs and dumb balance stuff that gets complained about all the time you have some agency. Guardian is 100% an awful slogfest that doesnt really challenge you in any interesting way, it's like the worst escort missions from any game ever condensed into its purest lovely form, and on purpose.

e: well I beat it, but I stand by my rant above

Logan 5 fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Dec 5, 2015

Spelling Mitsake
Oct 4, 2007

Clutch Cargo wishes they had Tractor.
I've been playing this game for over 200 hours and the basic spiders still kick my rear end.

dyzzy
Dec 22, 2009

argh
Late to the Hush chat but if you stay in a spot that dodges the tears coming out from him I'm 99% sure that the wraparound shots won't hit you either. The way they wiggle makes it look impossible but it works for me.

Ultra safe strat is to just hide in a corner of course

that ivy guy
May 20, 2015

being so used to aggressive, evil spiders, i got Bursting Sack one early cellar and ran into idling spiders all the time

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
So is there a tell at all for when Isaac's screen covering lightning bolt attack will hit corners? Because it seems to be entirely random and you'll just take damage sometimes without being able to do anything about it.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

RatHat posted:

So is there a tell at all for when Isaac's screen covering lightning bolt attack will hit corners? Because it seems to be entirely random and you'll just take damage sometimes without being able to do anything about it.

The best you can do is look at the beam pattern as it goes on. If there's enough room for a beam to be in a spot, there's probably gonna be one there.

Tyty
Feb 20, 2012

Night-vision Goggles Equipped!


The thing I've always gone by is that they're a checkered pattern. Get to the same corner on the opposite side from where it started and you should be safe. I've never been hit that way.

Wugga
Oct 30, 2006

I BEAT MEAT

Wrist Watch posted:

Wait, what? Does the shell game not have Skatole as a prize anymore?

It's still there. So is everything else you can win from the Arcade. Not sure if they're rarer, but I've come across them several times myself.


BJPaskoff posted:

People rightfully got tired of them playing every single time, so they made them only play once in a while. I've not seen anyone else upset about it.


Frankly, if there is an aspect about Isaac that doesn't upset someone, I'd be surprised. Edmund might be a crybaby, but the Isaac community is exponentially worse.

ninja alamode
Apr 20, 2004

Power of Pecota posted:

I also haven't seen a regular dollar drop since Afterbirth.

My favorite greed run was Eden starting with a dollar right away, I really wish I had saved that seed.

Wugga
Oct 30, 2006

I BEAT MEAT
So, I just found Milk in Greed Mode with Lilith. Upon activating the Box, it also activated the Milk, only the fire rate was even higher than usual. Anyone have a clue as to what triggers this?

I'm guessing the several Milk followers stack, but that doesn't explain the not getting hit part.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Wugga posted:

So, I just found Milk in Greed Mode with Lilith. Upon activating the Box, it also activated the Milk, only the fire rate was even higher than usual. Anyone have a clue as to what triggers this?

I'm guessing the several Milk followers stack, but that doesn't explain the not getting hit part.

What items did you have?

Wrist Watch
Apr 19, 2011

What?

Wugga posted:

It's still there. So is everything else you can win from the Arcade. Not sure if they're rarer, but I've come across them several times myself.
Yeah, I realized he was probably referring to how skatole was in a pool in flash isaac (I assume, I didn't play much flash isaac) but forgot/was too lazy to edit my post because I'm pretty darned sure I've gotten skatole from skull games since afterbirth.

RatHat posted:

So is there a tell at all for when Isaac's screen covering lightning bolt attack will hit corners? Because it seems to be entirely random and you'll just take damage sometimes without being able to do anything about it.

The corners adjacent to where it starts are safe, so say the beams start in the top left. The only guaranteed safe spots are the bottom left corner and the top right corner. If it starts in the top right, the bottom right and top left corners are safe. You can practically guarantee your chances of being in a safe zone (unless you're like super slow, like maggie with a couple speed downs slow) by trying to stay around the middle of either the left or right walls so you end up just running up or down on reaction based on the direction the beams spawn.

Only reason I know this is because of bisnap. I have absolutely no idea how you're expected to figure this out on your own besides getting hit dozens of times and connecting the dots.

Wugga
Oct 30, 2006

I BEAT MEAT

Dr. Fetus posted:

What items did you have?

Dead Cat, Hairball, Mini mush, Virgo, Safety Pin, Sacrificial dagger, Charged Baby, The Belt, Lump of Coal, E-coli, Binky, Mom's Lipstick, Death's Touch, Peeper, Fate's Reward, Abel, Breakfast, Stem Cells, Blue Cap.

Can't see any synergies there myself.

Edit: vvv Nice timing there. Good to know! Also my fire rate seemed to be higher than soy milk.

Wugga fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Dec 5, 2015

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Wugga posted:

Dead Cat, Hairball, Mini mush, Virgo, Safety Pin, Sacrificial dagger, Charged Baby, The Belt, Lump of Coal, E-coli, Binky, Mom's Lipstick, Death's Touch, Peeper, Fate's Reward, Abel, Breakfast, Stem Cells, Blue Cap.

Can't see any synergies there myself.

Okay, just tested things out. Milk is a -2 to Tears Delay when it activates, so it has the same bonus as Cancer. For some reason, Box of Friends forces one of those Milk familiars to activate prematurely (while not spawning more Milk familiars, even if you have multiples.) I'm not sure what's going on, but I guess it's because it's a familiar that activates with on hit stuff, which might cause funky things to happen when Box of Friends doubles it.

Oh, and this doesn't happen if you pick up multiple Milk familiars, so it's not a problem with multiple Milk entities. Incidentally, getting hit after a BOF Milk activation will also cause an existing Milk familiar to activate, and it does stack. In fact, Milk stacks just fine with other Milk familiars, meaning that you could probably get down to Soy Milk Levels of firing if you somehow got more than one of those.

Wugga
Oct 30, 2006

I BEAT MEAT
I actually managed to record a bit of the Ultra Greed fight with said interaction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7odlfhvsdA

That may just be the highest fire rate I've ever had.

Edmund Honda
Sep 27, 2003

Love it when Krampus uses the rotating Brimstone attack and sweeps the entire room. Fun way to end a run.

Or is it Sputnik
Aug 22, 2009

Oh, Ho-oh oh oh, oh whoa oh oh oh
I'll get 'em caught, show Oak what I've got

CJacobs posted:

It's not broken, they're supposed to rarely play instead of every time
RIP EXXXPLOSIVE DIAHORRREA!!!!

Skaw
Aug 5, 2004

AnonSpore posted:

Almost certainly really isn't good enough when you're playing Lost/Keeper. You need to know the mechanic behind it.

The mechanic is look at the shadow of the shots, stand where the shadows aren't covering while in the zig zag pattern.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


speaking of rare items, the 1 up mushroom

I haven't seen it once in over 150 hours

Carados
Jan 28, 2009

We're a couple, when our bodies double.

Volt Catfish posted:

speaking of rare items, the 1 up mushroom

I haven't seen it once in over 150 hours

It's way more common in greed mode

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

It's secret room only when not in greed mode. And since secret rooms only rarely have items in them and the pool's been padded with so much horseshit over the years, you just won't see it.

Kawalimus
Jan 17, 2008

Better Living Through Birding And Pessimism
Now that I'm clearing the Hush on non "problem" characters I am finding that standing still is definitely the best way to deal with the continuum phase, but if you only have a hit or two to give(ie with Keeper or Lost) you're still hosed because you're probably going to get hit three or four times regardless. Only three characters left to go though before I've beaten every boss with everyone.

Question though--do I have to beat everything with everyone on hard to get the 10000000% achievement or whatever? I ask because I refused to play Hard mode back on rebirth when the drop rate was so bad, so a few of my guys didn't have some of the bosses beat on hard past Mom's heart. But because of the hosed post-it situation I have no idea which ones some of those are. I hope only the hard wins connected with achievements/unlocks are necessary

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

I think you need to fill out all post-its on hard to get 1001% since you get unlocks for doing it.

dorkasaurus_rex
Jun 10, 2005

gawrsh do you think any women will be there

so this happened:

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Kawalimus
Jan 17, 2008

Better Living Through Birding And Pessimism

watho posted:

I think you need to fill out all post-its on hard to get 1001% since you get unlocks for doing it.

Ohhhh drat it. Maybe there's some way to check then.

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