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On Terra Firma posted:I don't think people are trying to do that, but I can kind of see what you're getting at. Everyone isn't trying to justify why he did what he did, they're trying to rationalize what might go through the mind of a crazy person to rationalize it, or think of a way it might have been prevented. Like, maybe if someone had intervened and told the one coworker to drop his poo poo talking Islam, maybe it wouldn't have come to a head that day. Was it that guys fault? gently caress no, but in the mind of a crazy person it might have been the last straw that maybe could have been put off in time to catch on to what the shooters were planning. People aren't calling it radical islam and calling for nuclear war, so they are soft on this guy. That's all it his argument is. gently caress anything else, if you can't label this guy a radical isis soldier, you aren't being honest.
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Pohl posted:People aren't calling it radical islam and calling for nuclear war, so they are soft on this guy. That's all it his argument is. gently caress anything else, if you can't label this guy a radical isis soldier, you aren't being honest. Excuse me, when did I say this?
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That quote doesn't agree with or support the killers either. Next? You are really bad at this.
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:Excuse me, when did I say this? Now you know how it feels. Stop saying that people said something they didn't say.
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Pohl posted:People aren't calling it radical islam and calling for nuclear war, so they are soft on this guy. That's all it his argument is. gently caress anything else, if you can't label this guy a radical isis soldier, you aren't being honest. ....you mean outside of the usual suspects. Like Trump and half the GOP and its constituents.
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On Terra Firma posted:I don't think people are trying to do that, but I can kind of see what you're getting at. Everyone isn't trying to justify why he did what he did, they're trying to rationalize what might go through the mind of a crazy person to rationalize it, or think of a way it might have been prevented. Like, maybe if someone had intervened and told the one coworker to drop his poo poo talking Islam, maybe it wouldn't have come to a head that day. Was it that guys fault? gently caress no, but in the mind of a crazy person it might have been the last straw that maybe could have been put off in time to catch on to what the shooters were planning. I think I'm just caught up on this because I will probably be volunteering at PP this year as part of a practicium, and it would really, really suck if something bad happened and Twitter blew up with it being justified because we were all future baby killers or something
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-i-dont-believe-san-bernardino-shooters-sister-was-unaware-of-plot/ Trump saying he doesn't believe the shooters sister was unaware the plot. Some choice quotes there, but cutting and pasting is nigh impossible for me.
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:I think I'm just caught up on this because I will probably be volunteering at PP this year as part of a practicium, and it would really, really suck if something bad happened and Twitter blew up with it being justified because we were all future baby killers or something That isn't going to happen. Good luck, enjoy your volunteer experience. Edit: And seriously twitter? Who the hell cares about twitter? Twitter is a source of amusement, not a defining body of journalistic integrity, nor is it the overriding opinion of the populous. Why care about twitter? Pohl fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Dec 5, 2015 |
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Mickey Mental posted:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-i-dont-believe-san-bernardino-shooters-sister-was-unaware-of-plot/ That's especially fun given that Trump has previously called for 'collective responsibility' of terrorists' families.
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Literally The Worst posted:dude got hella mad over a zoning dispute and turned a bulldozer into a tank that he unleashed on the town This dude owns
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:I think I'm just caught up on this because I will probably be volunteering at PP this year as part of a practicium, and it would really, really suck if something bad happened and Twitter blew up with it being justified because we were all future baby killers or something I like how you somehow jumped to the conclusion that people trying to understand the killings are saying "mass murder is OK by me  ".
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DOOP posted:This dude owns Condoning an act of terrorism? That's a 'No Fly' (and sooner or later 'No Gun') I actually haven't had reason to fly since before I attended Occupy - I wonder if one day I'll have a trip planned and find out I'm not going anywhere. It's not necessarily a bad system - it is just presently opaque with little recourse. Reason and Justice - our founding principles - demand we account for this in the endless work toward a safer, saner world.
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DOOP posted:This dude owns if y'all haven't seen a picture of the actual killdozer before, click that link. it's loving wild.
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Pohl posted:That isn't going to happen. Good luck, enjoy your volunteer experience. You're right, they usually just take pictures of the people who volunteer there and put them on a website ColdPie posted:I like how you somehow jumped to the conclusion that people trying to understand the killings are saying "mass murder is OK by me Those quotes went beyond just trying to understand the killings, but should probably be expected given this forum
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Nope, still not seeing it.
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ColdPie posted:Nope, still not seeing it. Okay, then we are going to have to disagree on the nature of those quotes then because I am not really sure how else to explain it to you
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:Okay, then we are going to have to disagree on the nature of those quotes then because I am not really sure how else to explain it to you you could try speaking english
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ColdPie posted:Nope, still not seeing it. Well....there are multiple Pro-Life / Christian groups who have called for violence and condoned violence against volunteers and clinics. So its not that far out there.
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:I think I'm just caught up on this because I will probably be volunteering at PP this year as part of a practicium, and it would really, really suck if something bad happened and Twitter blew up with it being justified because we were all future baby killers or something Please don't. Planned Parenthood has suffered enough. They don't deserve to have you inflicted on them as well.
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Toshimo posted:Please don't. Planned Parenthood has suffered enough. They don't deserve to have you inflicted on them as well. Between this and the sexual innuendo on the last page, I have reached the conclusion that this place is kind of hosed up in the head and a waste of time
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Rygar201 posted:Has anything important happened in Congress this month? gently caress if I'm sifting through 86 pages of "Are guns/Muslims bad?" Yes! We got a $300 billion infrastructure bill passed!  Also repealed the ACA and defunded Planned Parenthood but that'll get vetoed. I want to talk about infrastructure, let's do that!
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Yes! Infrastructure! How would one start fixing America's bridges? I heard America's traffic are absolutely insane. Is there a reasonable way to redirect traffic for bridge-fixing?
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:Between this and the sexual innuendo on the last page, I have reached the conclusion that this place is kind of hosed up in the head and a waste of time Granted uspol is bad even before your posting was included, but perhaps the problem lies within young grasshopper.
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Silver Nitrate posted:I want to talk about infrastructure, let's do that!
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Silver Nitrate posted:I want to talk about infrastructure, let's do that! Ofaloaf posted:How much does federal funding matter for the quality of local roads? I thought the responsibility for that sort of thing largely shifted to the individual states back in the '80s. Oh yeah, roads, too. Somehow 'infrastructure' becomes a synonym for 'bridges' in my head. What's the infrastructure in direst need of repair? Dams? Roads? Bridges? Pipes? Electric towers? God, there's so much to talk about!
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:Between this and the sexual innuendo on the last page, I have reached the conclusion that this place is kind of hosed up in the head and a waste of time When you don't listen to what people are telling you and you're deliberately looking for something that isn't there despite people trying to explain it to you, yes it can seem warped. I wonder why.
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potato of destiny posted:That's especially fun given that Trump has previously called for 'collective responsibility' of terrorists' families. "So you would go after her?" host John Dickerson asked Trump. "I would go after a lot of people and find out whether or not they knew. I'd be able to find out. Cause I don't believe the sister," he replied. When Dickerson asked Trump whether he's worried about the possibility of creating more terrorists, Trump replied with a quick "No." "We have to stop terrorists," Trump explained. "And the only way we're going to stop them, in my opinion, is that way. You know, they say they don't mind dying. I think they do mind dying. But I can tell you this. They want their families left alone. We have to stop terrorism."
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On Terra Firma posted:When you don't listen to what people are telling you and you're deliberately looking for something that isn't there despite people trying to explain it to you, yes it can seem warped. I wonder why. "Stop disagreeing me with, you people are weird."
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EXTREME INSERTION posted:Because people in this thread (and other people, for that matter) for some reason keep insinuating that it's okay to shoot a bunch of people over a political disagreement, a sentiment that I have read multiple times over the last two weeks which is kind of creepy? Will you please stop loving saying this? You've been saying this poo poo for like 6 pages and it's not loving true. Trying to establish whether or not past verbal arguments were a motive in the murderer's choice of targets isn't the same as saying or implying that the argument-maker(s) got what they deserved. I can see why some people might think there could be a link or an implicit connection but everyone in this conversation has explicitly denied this and explained the difference multiple times now. Your concern trolling is annoying as gently caress. Think of it this way. If a person takes out a huge life insurance plan and a spouse, seeing the financial benefit to murdering them does so, does establishing the monetary benefit as a motive mean the spouse in any way deserved to be killed? OF COURSE NOT. This conversation is about discussing whether or not the shooting was random, or spurred on by office drama that lots of people endure with less than murderous ardour. NO ONE is saying "the Jewish guy was an rear end in a top hat and forced Syed to murder him. The lesson here is don't be rude to Muslims", as much as you apparently want that to be the case in order to feel superior. The latter is obvious because you keep talking about how everyone arguing against you just makes you sick or whatever. EXTREME INSERTION posted:Between this and the sexual innuendo on the last page, I have reached the conclusion that this place is kind of hosed up in the head and a waste of time This is the second time you've posted that you're too good for this place. Please call your own bluff. Unzip and Attack fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Dec 5, 2015 |
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Mickey Mental posted:"So you would go after her?" host John Dickerson asked Trump.  A Republican presidency would be such a loving mess, no matter which one of these clowns gets through the primary.
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Killdozer was justified terrorism. Zoning boards are awful.
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euphronius posted:Killdozer was justified terrorism. Zoning boards are awful. His business was also crushed by the business behind him lobbying to re-zone him out of business.
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ColdPie posted:I like how you somehow jumped to the conclusion that people trying to understand the killings are saying "mass murder is OK by me This seems to be the most provocative point of the argument, and it's the one that still sits poorly with me. But I think there are a couple of underlying points which, to me at least, are far more interesting and worth discussing:
Don't get me wrong, I still believe there's a difficult-to-articulate difference between mere understanding of motivations and outright justifying the attacks (empathy for the attacker, most probably) but the above questions still remain, and seem to me to be difficult to resolve.
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Mickey Mental posted:"So you would go after her?" host John Dickerson asked Trump.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:
Can only speak for myself, but I don't think I've seen anyone advocating what you're saying in the first bullet there. The push against Islamophobia I've seen in reaction to this is the sort that W advocated after 9/11: that associating all Muslims with violence is a bad way to react to this. I don't think I've seen anyone say "we shouldn't persecute Muslims anymore or else this will happen again(and it will be our fault when it does)".
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T. Bombastus posted:Good stuff. Does Trump have any policy positions that don't boil down to "I'm great, so it would be great"? Well yeah, in addition to "I'm great" it sounds like he has fleshed that one out to include "kill and oppress the innocent."
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Unzip and Attack posted:Can only speak for myself, but I don't think I've seen anyone advocating what you're saying in the first bullet there. The push against Islamophobia I've seen in reaction to this is the sort that W advocated after 9/11: that associating all Muslims with violence is a bad way to react to this. I don't think I've seen anyone say "we shouldn't persecute Muslims anymore or else this will happen again(and it will be our fault when it does)". We shouldn't persecute Muslims anymore, or else this will happen again (and it will be our fault when it does).
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SedanChair posted:We shouldn't persecute FTFY Again, in the divine words of the holiest of prophets we should "be excellent to each other, and party on dudes".
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SedanChair posted:We shouldn't persecute Muslims anymore, or else this will happen again (and it will be our fault when it does). Ok I take it all back. Sedanchair is the idiot you guys should be arguing with. Apparently there is someone who does victim blame mass shooting casualties.
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It was fine as I posted it. We shouldn't even persecute people for insane beliefs. Unzip and Attack posted:Ok I take it all back. Sedanchair is the idiot you guys should be arguing with. Apparently there is someone who does victim blame mass shooting casualties. How is it victim blaming? "The foreign policy of the United States" is not a victim. George W. Bush and Donald Trump are not victims, but they have represented us and inflicted oppression on Muslims. The victims of the backlash are not to blame.
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