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I swear that says 2015 instead of 2016. And as stated earlier by someone else the white mana symbols look slightly off
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I kinda doubt they'll be that pushed TBH. There are a lot of colorless producers in standard including painlands, I doubt they'll be hugely better than cards with the equivalent colored mana costs. There should be good stuff for decks that are playing colorless guys anyway though.
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Dec 7, 2015 06:16
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Dehtraen posted:I swear that says 2015 instead of 2016. And as stated earlier by someone else the white mana symbols look slightly off  Symbols look fine, but that does indeed look more like a 5 than a 6. It's a pretty awful image tho.
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Dec 7, 2015 06:19
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Niton posted:If it makes you feel better: Most of the lands widely agreed on to be Magic's most powerful (Fetchlands, Original Duals and Shocks, as well as Battle Lands) do nothing to help you cast any cards with Colorless mana costs, so you will have to change the construction of your mana base to accommodate Colorless cards.    (I know Workshop won't help cast Eldrazi but I have a hard time believing they're introducing a change like this without using it on all cards, when they want it, moving forward) On a lesser level,         Also Tron and others, but I just stuck with cards I can think off the top of my head that see play in eternal formats. To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with colorless mana being diamond mana and actually think it's a good idea, but that statement was just not true. Elyv fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Dec 7, 2015 06:21
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Attorney at Funk posted:Have they ever made this kind of errata mid-block before? It's not exactly the same, but they started coloring the expansion symbols in Exodus.
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Dec 7, 2015 06:33
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Some Numbers posted:It's not exactly the same, but they started coloring the expansion symbols in Exodus. They also changed a shitload of rules and the associated templating between Urza's Legacy and Destiny, but admittedly that was because core sets came at a weird (in retrospect) time during blocks, and not because they specifically decided to do it mid-block for shits and giggles.
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Dec 7, 2015 06:37
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Yeah, the release of Sixth Edition right in the middle of Urza's block shook things up a ton.
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Dec 7, 2015 06:47
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It's weird to do here certainly, but I get what they're going for. BFZ had a 'colorless matters' theme, OGW is intended to go deeper on that with 'colorless mana matters'. Of course, there's not going to be any cards that require colorless mana until then, and making the change without any apparent reason or payoff would look super weird and probably just lead to the theme of OGW being guessed, and the only real difference to BFZ is on what, ten cards, tops? So you may as well wait to reveal it until you have something to actually show for it. Of course, now the timing is super goofy, but it works out better in other regards.
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Dec 7, 2015 07:02
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I don't understand why they wouldn't make the colorless mana symbol change, and introduce the colorless basic, in the first set of the block, seems like a bad decision I was about to say that it's insane to have it only only half the expeditions, but I guess they did specifically do the ones with no colorless symbols in them first.
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Dec 7, 2015 07:12
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The weird thing is that BFZ had the exact opposite theme: even the colorless cards require colored, not colorless, mana. They can't even say it's because the ~story~ draws some technobabble difference between the way Ulamog and Kozilek's broods digest mana or whatever, except that BFZ had Kozilek-aligned Devoid cards.
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Dec 7, 2015 07:13
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Hopefully they use this as an excuse to reprint certain expensive lands not on the Reserved List(obviously not in Standard necessarily, but more copies of, say, Wasteland in circulation would be nice).
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Dec 7, 2015 07:15
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Elyv posted:Hopefully they use this as an excuse to reprint certain expensive lands not on the Reserved List(obviously not in Standard necessarily, but more copies of, say, Wasteland in circulation would be nice). Wasteland would just be taking the entire table that Modern is delicately set up upon and just flipping it over. Even if they don't develop for Modern, it just isn't going to happen.
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Dec 7, 2015 07:17
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This change is completely non-functional except for the BRAND NEW SUPER COLORLESS CARDS which will be gimmick that will never affect anyone who isn't playing Tron / 12 Post or possibly the terrible format that is standard right now. It only has functional realizations for the future of the game, it affects no previous cards, and all cards that add {X} mana now add {D} and this conversion only goes one way ({X} in costs does not become {D} in costs) so it will be trivial to remember for the people playing Tron / 12 Post. I think it's a stupid gimmick, plays poorly with the first sets "coloredless" cards, and is marginal design space that is effectively just a lovely 6th color retcon, but I doubt they'll use it much in the future because they hopefully realize that it's a crap 6th color replacement, when artifacts are designed to play with all colors, so we won't start seeing random artifacts or Ugin-related poo poo costed like that. e: wasteland would destroy the three color format of modern. The current trade off for 3 colors vs fewer colors is that you start the game at 15-17 life and sometimes a turn behind, you don't need wasteland loving poo poo up even more. Wasteland is useful in Legacy to punish those three color manabases because they aren't shocking themselves repeatedly. The lands that are truly problematic get hit by GQ and Tec Edge just fine in modern. The desire to make modern into lovely legacy instead of keeping it a format that is unique is something I don't get - it's as bad as tiny leaders (which is also lovely legacy). Sigma-X fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Dec 7, 2015 07:18
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Ramos posted:Wasteland would just be taking the entire table that Modern is delicately set up upon and just flipping it over. Even if they don't develop for Modern, it just isn't going to happen. Like I said, an excuse. Obviously Wasteland is never going to be in a Standard-legal set again, but they could reprint it in a supplementary product with shiny new diamonds where it taps for mana, and then there would be more in circulation.
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Dec 7, 2015 07:25
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The weird thing is that BFZ had the exact opposite theme: even the colorless cards require colored, not colorless, mana. They can't even say it's because the ~story~ draws some technobabble difference between the way Ulamog and Kozilek's broods digest mana or whatever, except that BFZ had Kozilek-aligned Devoid cards. e: In fact that Devoid keyword lets you make pseudo gold cards that have colored mana and diamonds in their manacost.
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Dec 7, 2015 07:27
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Dehtraen posted:I swear that says 2015 instead of 2016. And as stated earlier by someone else the white mana symbols look slightly off It's a foil with a hologram; it's not fake.
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Dec 7, 2015 07:50
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Sigma-X posted:This change is completely non-functional except for the BRAND NEW SUPER COLORLESS CARDS which will be gimmick that will never affect anyone who isn't playing Tron / 12 Post or possibly the terrible format that is standard right now.  The best part of playing 12 Post is being the one guy at Legacy night who bothers reading new cards with CMCs over 3. (Sometimes we share with Nic Fit players, I guess.)
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Elyv posted:To be clear, I don't think there's anything wrong with colorless mana being diamond mana and actually think it's a good idea, but that statement was just not true. Many, then! I was thinking of it in the sense of Fetches, Duals and Shocks being 30 total lands, and those 30 lands are a pretty huge chunk of Legacy's land base right now. e: of Legacy's 50 most played lands right now, 11 are capable of tapping for colorless mana and 19 are either fetches or duals. Of the top 15 nonbasics, only Wasteland can tap for colorless mana (though quite a few more are in the top 25). Niton fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Dec 7, 2015 08:15
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even if the new cards cost actual diamond gemstones to cast, they'd be cheaper than current manabases
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Lancelot posted:even if the new cards cost actual diamond gemstones to cast, they'd be cheaper than current manabases Well, I mean, so's Travis Woo's mom.
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Dec 7, 2015 12:07
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I'm getting tired of the 4 and 5 colored standard good stuff decks. Oath needs to come with Price of Progress. That will end this bullshit real fast. Also ban it immediately in modern or burn will just wreck shop.
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Dec 7, 2015 14:17
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What if the long awaited reprint of enemy fetches was just the expedition lands and they won't be in shadows or the next fall set? Tarn $100+?
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Dec 7, 2015 15:40
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Sigma-X posted:This change is completely non-functional except for the BRAND NEW SUPER COLORLESS CARDS which will be gimmick that will never affect anyone who isn't playing Tron / 12 Post or possibly the terrible format that is standard right now. That's a bold prediction, since we've only seen one Diamond spell spoiled so far. Maybe there will be some pushed spells that are seriously worth splashing for.
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Dec 7, 2015 16:05
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Dehtraen posted:I swear that says 2015 instead of 2016. And as stated earlier by someone else the white mana symbols look slightly off That's because it's a blatant fake, anything with ♦ in it is fake, it's all fake! *psych ward men enter the room* You guys agree it's fake right? *they put me in a straight jacket and start dragging me off* FAAAAAA- *they slam the doors on the ambulance and drive off*
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Dec 7, 2015 16:27
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We should mock everyone that cries "fake" as much as we mock those who speculate on magic cards.
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Dec 7, 2015 16:30
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That RG Landfall guy is insanely good.
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Dec 7, 2015 16:47
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inb4 tournament reports / feature matches of people tapping typed basics for diamonds v v.
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Dec 7, 2015 17:18
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mcmagic posted:That RG Landfall guy is insanely good. Is it? It seems really average to me. How good is Exploration on turn 4?
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Lancelot posted:Is it? It seems really average to me. How good is Exploration on turn 4? If i have a bunch of Scyth Leopards and Snapping Glarled's out? Great
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Dec 7, 2015 17:36
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Lancelot posted:Is it? It seems really average to me. How good is Exploration on turn 4? Well, it's also a 4/4 body, and if you're treating it as Exploration it "draws" you a card every turn. Add to that lands with ETB effects and the fact that if the land you bounce comes in untapped it only costs 1 to activate, and you have a pretty good card. Not sure if RG landfall is really a good enough deck that this card will be a Standard powerhouse, but in that deck it is very good.
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Dec 7, 2015 17:48
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Molybdenum posted:What if the long awaited reprint of enemy fetches was just the expedition lands and they won't be in shadows or the next fall set? Fetches with BFZ duals was a disaster the first time around I loving hope not.
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mcmagic posted:That RG Landfall guy is insanely good. Since my stepson asked me to make an EDH deck I'm running new Omnath with creatures that are only elemental a or fetch up lands and I think this will be an auto-include.
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Angry Grimace posted:Fetches with BFZ duals was a disaster the first time around I loving hope not. Fetches and duals are fine. The problem is there not being a valid way to punish it. The "feel bads" is hurting good game design atm.
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mcmagic posted:That RG Landfall guy is insanely good. My hope is they print more lands with ETB effects to abuse the poo poo out of this. Sickening posted:Fetches and duals are fine. The problem is there not being a valid way to punish it. The "feel bads" is hurting good game design atm. I distinctly remember a Bobby Nixon in the last core set that should've been in this standard and more aggressively costed. Count Bleck fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Dec 7, 2015 18:22
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mcmagic posted:That RG Landfall guy is insanely good. Modern Playable™. Might find a home in Scapeshift as a replacement for and improvement upon Meloku.
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Dec 7, 2015 18:57
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Frank Lepore's got videos of the BR Eldrazi deck in Modern today and it's just a super sweet deck. When you are Tron and they take your Ghost Quarter from exile with their Oblivion Sower and use it to break up your Tron, that's being hoisted by your own petard.
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Dec 7, 2015 19:16
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Booklegger posted:Modern Playable™. Might find a home in Scapeshift as a replacement for and improvement upon Meloku. Wat. I will make you a bet that this card is not Modern playable(given a reasonable metric for "Playable"). Also no one plays Meloku, that card's time is long, long past.
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Dec 7, 2015 19:28
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Booklegger posted:Modern Playable™. Might find a home in Scapeshift as a replacement for and improvement upon Meloku. Costs 4, doesn't immediately replace itself, doesn't win the game next turn. Hmm. HMM.
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Booklegger posted:Modern Playable™. Might find a home in Scapeshift as a replacement for and improvement upon Meloku. In what way would scapeshift play a 4 mana spell that might not even ramp and what scapeshift list is playing meloku at all? 
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Booklegger posted:Modern Playable™. Might find a home in Scapeshift as a replacement for and improvement upon Meloku. Picking up/Playing Extra lands is always going to be abusable. So yes, i agree. IDK if Scapeshift is where it fits though.
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