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Do you have citations of the Nazi sightings that are not literally from a mad scientist
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Oldsmobile posted:Nazis aren't lurking anywhere, but they sure as hell were involved in a hyper nationalistic Triumph Des Williens -style march in Helsinki on Independence day. Indeed, I was inspired by all the people like you who write about nazis who stürm the Finland, so I went to find out. I really wanted to see a real, hard-core, extreme right-wing nazi-march assault while sieg heiling, just to see if the talk and fear is real. Nothing like that was evident. It's not real. It was mostly working and middle class men and women, from 18 to 50 year olds, walking peacefully, no flags, no ideology. There were some leijona-hats, but that is a given in any "Finland!" -type event. Apart from that, no heiling, no marching in goosestep, no listening to Wager, no hate speech, no nothing. Just guys and most of all girls marching with torches to respect Suomi and the fallen. It was clear nobody was against anyone or anything during that walk. If that is what accounts to nazism/fascims these days then I understand your fears but I must say that said fears are loving stupid. The only threat to anything was the random ineffectual group of (far-)leftists trying to stop the march and throwing police with stuff,
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Dec 7, 2015 16:18
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Ligur posted:Indeed Hahaha holy poo poo, piss! 
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quote:3) People have commented on how the far right should have the right to march on the streets, and we should not ban demonstrations based on their political views. Let's say we agree on this. However, the National Resistance Movement is not just putting forth a political vision, they are using violence to try to implement it. In other words, they are a terrorist organisation: in fact, an international network of organisations using violence against civilians, with the stated goal of overthrowing governments (and demolishing their independence, by the way) in one Leader-led nazi state. Their members have been convicted of serious crimes. lol :ironiakissa: mikäköhän taho se nyt mahtoi käyttää väkivaltaa poliittisen ohjelmansa ajamiseen itsenäisyyspäivänä fasisteja ne kyllä oli, mutta ne käytti sitä anti-etuliitettä
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But who cares about this nonsense, allu has just announced he is not in NiP as of 2016: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/esports/art-1449464525214.html
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Dec 7, 2015 16:49
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Ligur posted:Indeed, I was inspired by all the people like you who write about nazis who stürm the Finland, so I went to find out. I really wanted to see a real, hard-core, extreme right-wing nazi-march assault while sieg heiling, just to see if the talk and fear is real. What is the point of non-ideolgical marches? "Look how indifferent we are to things! We have no opinions at all!"
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Dec 7, 2015 17:02
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Fish of hemp posted:What is the point of non-ideolgical marches? "Look how indifferent we are to things! We have no opinions at all!" Ok saying "no ideology" wasn't right, people were certainly kansallismielisiä. But that was the start and end of it, there was no shouting of slogans for some particular political belief. And this is fine and everyone, everywhere, should be able to be so without someone trying to assault them. But there was certainly no hitler -poo poo going on. What I'm trying to say is that you can and should be able to be patriotic without someone trying to throw stones at you, or accusing you of nazism of fascism. These things are not the same. Oldsmobile posted:Hahaha holy poo poo, piss! The D&D response to everything. "D'ahh, someone doesn't agree, HOLY poo poo HOLY poo poo! LOOK HOW BEWILDERED I AM!" Try to explain your case instead? But of course you can't apart from showing a picture with people who certainly look like people you should expect at any nationalist event. Still does not have anything to do with fascism or nazism. Look them on up on google if unclear what ideologies they represent.
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Dec 7, 2015 17:08
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Oldsmobile posted:I actually agree with what you're saying. America is cool, dunno what you are going on about dude
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Ligur posted:Indeed, I was inspired by all the people like you who write about nazis who stürm the Finland, so I went to find out. I really wanted to see a real, hard-core, extreme right-wing nazi-march assault while sieg heiling, just to see if the talk and fear is real. agreed dude, it is all fake bullshit. It's not real, people should stop saying it is real when it clearly is not real. Fear is also stupid and gay
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Dec 7, 2015 17:14
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so ur saying i was in the middle of fascist death rally, but just failed to observe any but u were able to observe them 600 kilometers away after reading internet posts by paranoids ok makes sense thnx bye
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Dec 7, 2015 17:17
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im 150km away and know how to read
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Dec 7, 2015 17:23
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i learned my abc's dude. I can read, write, and do basic math
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Dec 7, 2015 17:24
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I'm also white
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Dec 7, 2015 17:30
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BrienneGetsHanged posted:I'm also white You're probably drunk, too.
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Dec 7, 2015 17:34
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Hahaha kyselin vähäsen tästä natsi / Heil Hitler - hommasta, vastaus organisoijilta oli että elämätapataiteilija Seppo "totaalista sotaa" Lehto oli ollut mestoilla heilailemassa Tässä on kuulkaa aika helvetin vakavasta ja eritoten organisoidusta äärioikeiston liikehdinnästä kyse LOL
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Dec 7, 2015 17:34
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mutkun natsit ja hitler!!!!!
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Dec 7, 2015 17:50
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Rappaport posted:Hahaha kyselin vähäsen tästä natsi / Heil Hitler - hommasta, vastaus organisoijilta oli että elämätapataiteilija Seppo "totaalista sotaa" Lehto oli ollut mestoilla heilailemassa Oh I see. The fact that a known (albeit insane) nazi took part in the march proves that it wasn't a nazi march.
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Dec 7, 2015 18:01
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Oldsmobile posted:Oh I see. The fact that a known (albeit insane) nazi took part in the march proves that it wasn't a nazi march. Niinkun ystävä Ligur aiemmin taisi todeta, se oli kulkue jossa varmaan joo oli mukana natsihenkisiä ihmisiä. Ja ihmisiä joiden mielestä natsihenkisyys on aika helvetin tyhmää. Tämä ei välttämättä tarkoita, että kulkue itsessään saatika sen järjestäjät olisivat natseja. Voin lyödä stobesta vetoa, että jollakulla noista anarko-markoista jotka olivat riehumassa eilen on Leninin kuva seinällä; tämä ei tee anarko-markojen riehumisesta kommunistien mielenosoitusta. Ja jos jätetään semanttiset väännöt sikseen (joskin LOL tere tulemast D&D), en ole ihan vakuuttunut että 612-kulkue tai anarko-markot edustavat suurta riskiä yhteiskunnalliselle järjestykselle, Suomen valtiomuodolle tmv. Ite en menis tommoseen kulkueeseen koska en halua saada kananmunasta niskaani, mutta olenkin lihava laiskuri enkä varsinaisesti koe ilmaisuvapauttani rajoitetun. Ja siellä oli aika reilusti poliiseja vahtimassa markoja, että en varmaan ois saanu munasta vaikka oisinkin menny. Summa summarum, minusta on vähäsen hassua että sinua pelottaa/huolettaa muutama sata ihmistä jotka halusivat marssia joko höpönationalismin/natseilun tai ihan vaan isäm maan puolesta itsenäisyyspäivänä. Se, että siellä oli Seppo "anaaliryssien vastustaja" Lehto poukkimassa matkassa tekee tapahtumasta lähinnä koomisemman, ei huolettavamman.
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Dec 7, 2015 18:15
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Rappaport posted:Niinkun ystävä Ligur aiemmin taisi todeta, se oli kulkue jossa varmaan joo oli mukana natsihenkisiä ihmisiä. Ja ihmisiä joiden mielestä natsihenkisyys on aika helvetin tyhmää. Jos pitää natsihenkisyyttä aika helvetin tyhmänä niin ei välttämättä oo järkevää mennä mukaan marssiin jossa on mukana natsihenkisiä ihmisiä (e: ja jonka yksi pääasiallinen järjestäjä on ihan oikea uusnatsijärjestö), just sayin'
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Dec 7, 2015 18:23
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Rappaport posted:Niinkun ystävä Ligur aiemmin taisi todeta, se oli kulkue jossa varmaan joo oli mukana natsihenkisiä ihmisiä. Ja ihmisiä joiden mielestä natsihenkisyys on aika helvetin tyhmää. Tämä ei välttämättä tarkoita, että kulkue itsessään saatika sen järjestäjät olisivat natseja. Voin lyödä stobesta vetoa, että jollakulla noista anarko-markoista jotka olivat riehumassa eilen on Leninin kuva seinällä; tämä ei tee anarko-markojen riehumisesta kommunistien mielenosoitusta. Ja jos jätetään semanttiset väännöt sikseen (joskin LOL tere tulemast D&D), en ole ihan vakuuttunut että 612-kulkue tai anarko-markot edustavat suurta riskiä yhteiskunnalliselle järjestykselle, Suomen valtiomuodolle tmv. Ite en menis tommoseen kulkueeseen koska en halua saada kananmunasta niskaani, mutta olenkin lihava laiskuri enkä varsinaisesti koe ilmaisuvapauttani rajoitetun. Ja siellä oli aika reilusti poliiseja vahtimassa markoja, että en varmaan ois saanu munasta vaikka oisinkin menny. Thank heavens more people are starting to use are language. gently caress foreigners, suomi on suomalaisille! Get the D&D leftist retards out of this thread. rajat kiini motherfuckers!! and yeah to make this post relevant to the conversation: I agree with rappaport. there are only like a hunred nazis at the rally and that is nothing to be scared of, especially on the day we like the most. Hitler had like, a whole country full of nazis, and they never did any harm, and how did he get a country full of nazis (Germany)? Start small and have nonviolent demonstrations on patriotic holidays. We're on the right path and there is nothing to be scared of. Again, fear is stupid and gay. its a human being
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ALLAN LASSUS posted:Jos pitää natsihenkisyyttä aika helvetin tyhmänä niin ei välttämättä oo järkevää mennä mukaan marssiin jossa on mukana natsihenkisiä ihmisiä, just sayin' Ihan vitun tyhmää nojata johonkin guilt by association -paskaan, vaikka se onkin D&D 101 tapa käyttäytyä. Jos mun tekee mieli marssia esimerkiksi koska rispektaan Suomea ja meidän historiaa, en todellakaan jätä sitä tekemättä sen takia, että siellä on joku natsi tai kaksi seassa.
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BrienneGetsHanged posted:Thank heavens more people are starting to use are language. gently caress foreigners, suomi on suomalaisille! Get the D&D leftist retards out of this thread. rajat kiini motherfuckers!! yeah and those nazis dont even call themselves nazis
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Didn't this thread start using Finnish after ScanPol threw a tantrum about Ligur? Anyway, counter-point to mister Lassus, why should national-minded, non-Nazi folks let Nazis take over independence day? If only Nazis soihtukulkue, then all kulkueet are for Nazis, makes u think huh? Alternatively, who could organize a kulkue on independence day without being called a Nazi by the markot? Li Andersson, I suppose, but it doesn't seem entirely reasonable that everyone else who digs independence day is a Nazi by default.
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Dec 7, 2015 18:37
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You're basically trying to normalize ultra right wing nationalism and at the same time the right is trying to whitewash a nazi style ideology as just normal nationalism.
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Dec 7, 2015 18:57
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I honestly can't tell if I'm being trolled or not, but can you give some meaningful definition to "ultra right wing"?
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Friendly Tumour posted:yeah and those nazis dont even call themselves nazis Exactly. Any organization who calls themselves the True Finns or National Front or anything like that is not the same as being called a National Socialist....those are three completely different sets of words. A lot of people seem to forget this when talking about loving Nazis in Finland for christs sake!. Rappaport posted:Didn't this thread start using Finnish after ScanPol threw a tantrum about Ligur? Yup. It seems like I can't even wear an armband anymore without being called a nazi. PEople are so scared of nazis and think that everyone who partakes in nationalist events are national socialists, even if they don't heil and simply just shout thinly veiled nazi ideology marketed to those suspect to fear and ignorance, but I dunno, I guess we just have to live with other people pointing at us and calling us nazis like it is a bad thing (we are NOT and i am sick and tired of having to point this out to people all the time. I have no idea why everyone online is calling me a nazi and not calling anyone else that. it's loving D&D culture, and while it is stupid, I guess I will stike around some more)
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Rappaport posted:I honestly can't tell if I'm being trolled or not, but can you give some meaningful definition to "ultra right wing"? äänestää demareita
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Rappaport posted:Anyway, counter-point to mister Lassus, why should national-minded, non-Nazi folks let Nazis take over independence day? Perhaps the non-Nazi minded folks should organize their own soihtukulkue instead of participating in the one organized by nazis?
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Herman Merman posted:Perhaps the non-Nazi minded folks should organize their own soihtukulkue instead of participating in the one organized by nazis? Can a soihtukulkue for nationalist-minded people be organized by anyone other than an ultra-right Nazi? edit 
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Rappaport posted:Can a soihtukulkue for nationalist-minded people be organized by anyone other than an ultra-right Nazi? Scouts at least are ultra-dangerous nazis. I mean, look at them, they have blue shirts!
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Herman Merman posted:Perhaps the non-Nazi minded folks should organize their own soihtukulkue instead of participating in the one organized by nazis? What nazis? Like provide a link even where nazis say say this is organized by us. Otherwise, this is really loving weird. People want to believe in nazis, and if there is little proof, it just proves that nazis everywhere. I was there. There were no nazis. What makes people so crazy?
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Valiantman posted:Scouts at least are ultra-dangerous nazis. I mean, look at them, they have blue shirts! Make at least me wonder what the hell is going on every year when their marching bands practise around my neighbourhood.
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Dec 7, 2015 19:58
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Ligur posted:What makes people so crazy?  I dunno, but whatever it is, Dan's eating it like no tomorrow
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Bring back DarkCrawler, his serious posting is much better than how some people here cry about the massive Nazi threat to society but do it in a weird "ironic" way that I guess is trying to be funny???
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Bring back DarkCrawler, his serious posting is much better than how some people here cry about the massive Nazi threat to society but do it in a weird "ironic" way that I guess is trying to be funny??? I still can't tell if they are serious or not.
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OhYeah posted:But who cares about this nonsense, allu has just announced he is not in NiP as of 2016: http://www.iltasanomat.fi/esports/art-1449464525214.html Best post in the thread so far.
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Friends, toverit, comrades, let us relax a bit and for moment banish the images of Ligur goosestepping over every vastaanottokeskus from our minds. Let's listen to some music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNOFIAfyDeA
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Ok, let's get back to goosestepping again. https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/673615753040424960
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Went and saw what was happening yesterday, I was somewhat annyoed when my tram was stopped by the JIHAD WARRIORS OUT OF EUROPE demonstration and I went to see the Rajat kiinni poo poo show, I managed to see the live rendition of Aika polttaa Suomen passi, got some rude looks for explaining Kyuu to my friend. There were quite a few people there once the previous demonstration joined them and the points they made at the demonstration were dumb as gently caress so Im not gonna go through them since you idiots watched the stream anyway. What I was more interested in was the police reaction for tonight and I had a brief conversations with a cop about their equipment and lenght of the night they were gonna have. So, Ive never seen so many riot police, and the way they talked to me and my friends was very professional when they told us to move quite a few times and really no complaints there, the 612 march itself went by and really looked to be comprised of normal people, though I did see some idiots yelling really dumb stuff and being somewhat drunken. I missed all the antifa vs police action but saw the police manouvering around, trying to cut off the antifa. We were stopped by the police trying to enter Temppelinaukio from Runeberginkatu but got there from Fredrikinkatu, where we observed the motti with actual media and other curious on-lookers. The antifa did nothing there, the cops told us to back off a bit but let us watch and film, while they took some demonstrators to a bus one by one. No drama there. I then left to drink beer. So heres some pics from yesterday.          https://sendvid.com/w2shtedj Whos Max Blumenthal?
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Puistokemisti posted:Ok, let's get back to goosestepping again. Torilla tavataan! 
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