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Lancelot posted:I think "resolves" is just as bad as "stack".
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Just saw the original design he made that eventually became Brimaz. 3WWW 3/3 that can tap down non-white creatures for 3WWW, when it deals combat damage to a player, sac it and put 300 1/1s into play lol.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:09
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Yawgmoth posted:I think if you can't wrap your head around what 'resolves" and "stack" that maybe Magic just isn't the game for you. But "programming terminology" in my wizard poker fantasy ruins my immersion  .I'm going to push my cryptic command oh no null pointer exception.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:10
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Yawgmoth posted:I think if you can't wrap your head around what 'resolves" and "stack" that maybe Magic just isn't the game for you. "This just isn't for you" - a really good thing for a publicly traded company to tell potential customers lol
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Dec 8, 2015 18:11
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Zoness posted:Nagle hates dredge which makes me dread him returning to set leads. I hope he gets therapy for his grave trolling. He really shouldn't burn his bridges with graveyard creatures, I hope he comes to some kind of breakthrough with that angle of design. I more excited about who they will be dropping more than who they will be adding. Brian David Marshall and Randy Buehler just need to stop. little munchkin posted:"This just isn't for you" - a really good thing for a publicly traded company to tell potential customers lol Making your game worse to cater to these people is also not a great move.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:14
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Randy's great though.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:15
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MiddleEastBeast posted:Randy's great though. Except he isn't.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:17
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Sickening posted:Making your game worse to cater to these people is also not a great move. Finding the most understandable wording for the reminder text for an ability is not "making your game worse"
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Dec 8, 2015 18:22
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Sickening posted:I more excited about who they will be dropping more than who they will be adding. Rich Hagon just needs to stop. I had a similar discussion on Tumblr last night. Ideally, we'd get Feline Longmore and LSV
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EDIT: What the hell, do I double-click Submit or something? Second time I double post in two days.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:24
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Sickening posted:Making your game worse to cater to these people is also not a great move. The literal difference being talked about here is the phrasing of some reminder text.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:29
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Yawgmoth posted:I think if you can't wrap your head around what 'resolves" and "stack" that maybe Magic just isn't the game for you. I started playing Magic when I was like 7 or 8. I did not play all that much and had no idea how a lot of the game worked, I just knew the untap upkeep draw play most spells during main phase attack play instants/interrupts whenever(I didn't really know the difference between the two, just that interrupts were faster in some way), but I still enjoyed playing. High school was the first time I saw anyone do things with the stack more complicated than "play spells"(I didn't know the stack existed); a friend of mine was doing some sort of shenanigans with Pemmin's Aura and I didn't think they were allowed the first time he did it. but okay I guess magic just wasn't the game for me
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Dec 8, 2015 18:31
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Sickening posted:I more excited about who they will be dropping more than who they will be adding. Brian David Marshall and Randy Buehler just need to stop. I feel like at this point, their first qualification should be "can you identify this card that is commonly played in the format you are commentating on?" It's one thing when people aren't up to speed on every nuance of a format, it's another when they literally don't know what cards do. I can think of at least 3 people that they can drop based on this alone.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:33
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I genuinely have no idea how you could word Split Second without using either "stack" or "resolves" without it being a brick of text
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Dec 8, 2015 18:37
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stinkles1112 posted:I genuinely have no idea how you could word Split Second without using either "stack" or "resolves" without it being a brick of text "Players can't respond to this spell by casting spells or activating abilities"
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Dec 8, 2015 18:37
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Elyv posted:but okay I guess magic just wasn't the game for me I mean, it literally wasn't, in that you were playing a slightly different game where some of the rules didn't apply. That's how a lot of casual Magic happens and I don't think the wording of Split Second is going to have much of an effect on that kind of player one way or another. Of course, it's always good to make things as easy to understand as possible, so people who decide to start playing "real" Magic have less of a gap to close and people who play at stores cause judges fewer headaches. Dr. Stab posted:"Players can't respond to this spell by casting spells or activating abilities" This is what I came up with too. There's a few instances of this wording in the comp rules (specifically, "players can’t respond to it with instants or activated abilities."), it's fairly clear and it doesn't mention the stack.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:55
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Sickening posted:I more excited about who they will be dropping more than who they will be adding. Brian David Marshall and Randy Buehler just need to stop. I'd start watching more GPs if they covered them like these Yu-Gi-Oh matches.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:01
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Angry Grimace posted:I'd start watching more GPs if they covered them like these Yu-Gi-Oh matches. that's an exhibition match tho
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Dec 8, 2015 19:02
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Zoness posted:that's an exhibition match tho Just force all on-camera players attempt to call their own action like this. 
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Dec 8, 2015 19:05
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Angry Grimace posted:Just force all on-camera players attempt to call their own action like this. I don't really think I want to hear most feature match players. For those matches they get the voice actors for the english dub tho. Like Dan Green shows up to a lot of them.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:07
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Zoness posted:But "programming terminology" in my wizard poker fantasy ruins my immersion Null Pointer sounds like a sweet counterspell name
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Dec 8, 2015 19:08
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Angry Grimace posted:I'd start watching more GPs if they covered them like these Yu-Gi-Oh matches. Holy hell yes, I'd watch any Magic stream like this to no end.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:09
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Dr. Stab posted:"Players can't respond to this spell by casting spells or activating abilities" What if it's a permanent? Can you cast spells or activate abilities once it's 
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suicidesteve posted:What if it's a permanent? Can you cast spells or activate abilities once it's "can't respond to this card being played" Edit:thanks autocorrect
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Dec 8, 2015 20:29
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I actually prefer the "until this resolves" wording rather than that one, because you could end up with the interpretation where, say, if an ability triggers from you casting the spell, then players could "respond to" that ability.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:34
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Yeah if referencing the stack is too complicated, you certainly can't use the word "respond" which doesn't even have actual rules meaning
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Dec 8, 2015 20:57
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Honestly no one should play Magic.
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whydirt posted:Honestly no one should play Magic.
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Dec 8, 2015 21:07
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whydirt posted:Honestly no one should play Magic. This is a good point. Hearthstone is a better game since it doesn't bother with that pesky stack.
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Dec 8, 2015 21:08
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No one should play Magic honestly.
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stinkles1112 posted:Yeah if referencing the stack is too complicated, you certainly can't use the word "respond" which doesn't even have actual rules meaning Reminder text doesn't have to hold to rules meaning.  
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And people have a conception of what it means to respond to things even if they don't know that there exists a stack and when a player casts a spell it is put on the stack, after which there is a round of priority during which players can add additional objects to the stack.
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stinkles1112 posted:Yeah if referencing the stack is too complicated, you certainly can't use the word "respond" which doesn't even have actual rules meaning They should just abandon this horseshit nonsense that stuff can't reference the stack
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Someone, I think it was BJPaskoff, mentioned how Split Second's name is misleading. Because evocative names are really important. Double Strike is much easier to grasp because it says "double" on it. That means it strikes twice, and the reminder text is just the technicalities of that. The name alone tells you the big upside, hitting twice. Flying is much the same way. Why can't Goblin PIker block Skyhunter Skirmisher, but Storm Crow can block? It's because Skimrisher just flies over the dumb piker. I guess what they were trying to do with Split Second is "this happens so suddenly no one can do anything about it."  But the rules of Magic just don't support things instantly happening, and the flavor just isn't there. Two cards have sudden in their name and that's about it. Why is Celestial Crusader happening instantaneously? How is Krosan Grip any faster-happening than any other Naturalize-kin?
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I guess what they were trying to do with Split Second is "this happens so suddenly no one can do anything about it." You're looking at it the wrong way. Split second means time is literally split. As in, in another timeline, this happened, and now you're using magic to manifest that reality. That's why the art shows two versions of the same thing. For creatures, it means they've been there all along, and you just didn't notice.
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Zoness posted:You're looking at it the wrong way. Split second means time is literally split. As in, in another timeline, this happened, and now you're using magic to manifest that reality. Seems so. It's just like un-morphing something. You can't respond to the unmorphing, only effects triggered from the unmorphing.
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Dec 8, 2015 21:35
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Someone, I think it was BJPaskoff, mentioned how Split Second's name is misleading. Well there are at least 3 I can think of offhand (Sudden Death, Sudden Shock, Sudden Spoiling). More than that though, I think their idea was to separate it with the art, all the split second cards have this lightning bolt thing down the center and I think the idea is a before/after thing or something. The flavor is shot though, yeah, especially since triggered abilities still happen and so forth.
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Dec 8, 2015 21:36
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Reminder text doesn't have to hold to rules meaning. Speaking of convoke reminder text, they're gonna have to re-do it again now that generic mana is different than colorless.
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End of Life Guy posted:Speaking of convoke reminder text, they're gonna have to re-do it again now that generic mana is different than colorless. No, it still works exactly as is.
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